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Anonymous Sat 20 Feb 2021 23:55:02 No.46273647 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>46274295 >>46275201 >>46282639 >>46283425

Would Dual Wingbeat be useful on it if it didn't get culled?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 01:10:19 No.46274226 Report

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Just use facade

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 01:11:17 No.46274236 Report

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not particularly
most gliscors run defensive with roost toxic earthquake and stealth rock or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 01:16:21 No.46274270 Report

Quoted By: >>46274398

If you wanted to run one of those janky SD gliscor sets, then sure. On a defensive set you want EQ because it threatens Steel-types away from switching in, thus allowing you to Toxic with impunity.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 01:20:20 No.46274295 Report

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>>46273647
Earthquake is generally a lot better, on both offensive and defensive sets. Though, I guess you could run DWB, if you really wanted a Flying-Type move on your offensive Gliscor

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 01:34:03 No.46274398 Report

Quoted By: >>46279805

>>46274270
Nothing about SD Gliscor is "janky". It has been consistently amazing in several gens. In fact SD Gliscor is the best set in gen 6.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 03:17:21 No.46275201 Report

Quoted By: >>46275322

>>46273647
Facade is 140 BP. 70 * 2 because it'll always be poisoned.
Dual Wingbeat is 120 BP. 40 * 2 hits *1.5 from STAB. And it has lower accuracy.
Unless you desperately need to hit a Ghost-type with a Ground immunity, or hit through a Sub, Facade is better.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 03:30:55 No.46275322 Report

Quoted By: >>46276447 >>46276639

>>46275201
Or you really hate grass types like Tangrowth. But yeah, Facade is generally better. Dual Wingbeat also makes you potentially take contact damage twice.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 07:07:54 No.46276447 Report

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>>46275322
>Dual Wingbeat also makes you potentially take contact damage twice.
Yeah, and Tangrowth often runs Rocky Helmet anyway.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 08:02:18 No.46276639 Report

Quoted By: >>46276933 >>46277587

>>46275322
tangrowth is just a bad matchup its better to switch

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 09:25:43 No.46276933 Report

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>>46276639
But it would be good to surprise the opponent and KO Tangrowth when they think it's safe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 13:14:59 No.46277587 Report

Quoted By: >>46279632

>>46276639
Yes, that is kind of the point of a theoretical Dual Wingbeat set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 13:21:01 No.46277606 Report

Quoted By: >>46277730

If the point is to use Gliscor as a lure, wouldn't Fling + Acrobatics be better?

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 13:46:18 No.46277730 Report

Quoted By: >>46278526

>>46277606
It wouldn't be a lure because SD/EQ/Dual Wingbeat would just be an alternative to SD/EQ/Facade. Facade hits most things for more damage and gets walled by similar stuff but Dual Wingbeat targets specific Pokemon like Tangrowth, Urshifu-Rapid-Strike or Volcarona.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 16:00:32 No.46278488 Report

Quoted By: >>46278800

Tangrowth is physically defensive, and can definitely take a dual wingbeat with ease. Your actual best option against it is Toxic

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 16:05:53 No.46278526 Report

Quoted By: >>46278800

>>46277730
Can volc even take a +2 eq or facade?

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 16:44:11 No.46278800 Report

Quoted By: >>46279701 >>46279741

>>46278488
Tangrowth would switch into Gliscor and then the for the 1v1 situation Dual Wingbeat is obviously nice even if you take double Rocky Helmet. Spdef Gliscor can stay in on Tangrowth and set up since HP Ice isn't a thing anymore. Giga Drain is annoying because it becomes super effective when you Roost but even that doesn't 2HKO.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8customgame-1286898627

>>46278526
Bulky Volcarona does.

+2 0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Volcarona: 289-342 (77.4 - 91.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Keep in mind this is with zero defense investment. Volcarona could obviously be even bulkier on the physical side like in gen 7.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 18:22:34 No.46279632 Report

Quoted By: >>46279701

>>46277587
Tangrowth is still tanky as all fuck. I think it can eat a DWB.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 18:28:20 No.46279701 Report

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>>46279632
Obviously, it eats any physical hits. The point is not to OHKO it. >>46278800

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 18:31:20 No.46279741 Report

Quoted By: >>46279775

>>46278800
most tangrowths run knock off and leech seed iirc
and sometimes synthesis
so dual wingbeat would be much less optimal

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 18:33:50 No.46279775 Report

Quoted By: >>46279798

>>46279741
Knock Off yes. Leech Seed and Synthesis no, not really. They're niche options that you might consider but realistically any standard OU Tangrowth is not gonna run those.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 18:35:25 No.46279798 Report

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>>46279775
i haven't played ou in a long time so things must have changed
thanks for the info

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 18:36:09 No.46279805 Report

Quoted By: >>46280612 >>46281311 >>46281988

>>46274398
crazy how gliscor just manages to have the perfect kit to make it immune to power creep. similar to clef in that regard.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 20:10:37 No.46280612 Report

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>>46279805
The power of an amazing typing and Poison Heal

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 21:26:51 No.46281311 Report

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>>46279805
Clef gets buffed nearly every gen. That's how it keeps up with powercreep.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Feb 2021 22:52:06 No.46281988 Report

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>>46279805
How many other mons are immune to power creep?
Lando-T, for sure.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Feb 2021 00:01:01 No.46282639 Report

Quoted By: >>46284610

>>46273647
It’s coming back retard

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Anonymous Mon 22 Feb 2021 01:30:50 No.46283425 Report

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>>46273647
>8mss

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Anonymous Mon 22 Feb 2021 04:08:50 No.46284610 Report

Quoted By: >>46284985

>>46282639
When?

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Anonymous Mon 22 Feb 2021 05:00:08 No.46284985 Report

Quoted By: >>46286090 >>46287219

>>46284610
DP remakes, if you think it’s not happening, you’re retarded

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Anonymous Mon 22 Feb 2021 08:29:07 No.46286090 Report

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>>46284985
Gliscor isn't even in the regional dex of DP.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Feb 2021 13:10:16 No.46287219 Report

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>>46284985
>IT HAPPENING BECAUSE I WAN IT
lol ok

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