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Make Pokemon more viable with as few buffs as possible

Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 18:28:08 No.46483528 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>46483558 >>46484269 >>46484690 >>46487026 >>46489078 >>46490322

>Plasma Fists or Volt tackle
>Iron Fist

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Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 18:31:59 No.46483554 Report

Quoted By: >>46483575 >>46485108

Meganium
Leaf Guard becomes Flower Veil
Sleep Powder
Stun Spore
Rage Powder
Pollen Puff
Weather Ball
Calm Mind
Body Press

Typhlosion
Earth Power
Snarl
Agility
Hyper Voice
Ancient Power

Feraligatr
Flip Turn
Close Combat
Psychic Fangs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 18:32:46 No.46483558 Report

Quoted By: >>46485108

>>46483528
Motor Drive now redirects.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 18:34:38 No.46483575 Report

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>>46483554
Based.
It always irks me when people "fix" the mons by giving +50 to speed and one of their offensive stats like everything needs to be a speedy attacker to be good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 18:38:00 No.46483592 Report

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>yanmega
is now bug/dragon LIKE IT ALWAYS SHOULD'VE BEEN IN THE FIRST PLACE

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 18:41:13 No.46483617 Report

Quoted By: >>46483637 >>46485108

>Gorilla Tactics

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 18:43:58 No.46483637 Report

Quoted By: >>46483921 >>46484643

>>46483617
>UU shitmon at best
>viable

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 19:09:35 No.46483836 Report

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>>46483575
It bothers me too, it's like they forget that playstyles outside of ZOOM ZOOM OHKO HYPER OFFENSE exists, even though shit like Toxapex lives rent free in their heads. Also, making everything a speedy attacker is basically asking for something to get outclassed and made worthless (i.e Deoxys N, vs Deoxys A)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 19:15:26 No.46483880 Report

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Dynamax is a shit mechanic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 19:21:14 No.46483921 Report

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>>46483637
>ignoring the fact that that gets rid of truant

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 19:29:50 No.46484006 Report

Quoted By: >>46485108

Give Tough Claws to Golisopod instead of Emergency Exit

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Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 20:03:23 No.46484269 Report

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>>46483528
+20 Speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 20:46:42 No.46484611 Report

Quoted By: >>46485108

>Raichu
can use Light ball, HA becomes Galvanize.
Now it's likely banned to ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 20:51:54 No.46484643 Report

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>>46483637
>670 BST
>160 attack with free choice band
>UU shitmon

Nobody had better tell me /vp/ isn't retarded ever again

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 20:56:58 No.46484690 Report

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>>46483528
>Gorilla tactics

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 21:25:37 No.46484954 Report

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>>46484643
This.
It's RU at best

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 21:37:48 No.46485075 Report

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>>46484643
It would be RU at best

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 21:42:11 No.46485108 Report

Quoted By: >>46489066 >>46489102

>>46483554
Meganium: Still untiered
Typhlosion: Still NU
Feraligatr: Still UU
>>46483558
Would buff Electivire in Doubles, but would still leave it untiered in Singles
>>46483592
A nerf, if anything. It has no good STAB Dragon-Type moves
>>46483617
RU, at best
>>46484006
Would likely be UU
>>46484611
RU, at best

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 22:20:41 No.46485469 Report

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Wigglytuff
+20 to both defenses
Boomburst

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Anonymous Sat 06 Mar 2021 23:48:32 No.46486397 Report

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Flygon
+10 SpA
+10 Spe
Stealth Rocks
Quiver Dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 00:30:05 No.46486750 Report

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>>46486397
OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 01:03:24 No.46487026 Report

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>>46483528
Hypno: Ability becomes No Guard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 01:37:49 No.46487312 Report

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>>46484269
Most mons would be way better if they had +20 speed

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Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 02:10:44 No.46487607 Report

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>color change now activates before the move hits
>boost its Def to match its SpDef
>give it an evo so it can use eviolite

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 03:57:37 No.46488566 Report

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>>46483836
Deoxys N and Deoxys A have the same typing, movepool, and ability.
Some speedy attackers have better attack and speed than others, but they have other differences that could potentially make them better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 03:58:35 No.46488572 Report

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>>46487312
What about Ampharos?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 04:44:31 No.46488998 Report

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>>46486750
Not really

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 04:45:24 No.46489005 Report

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>>46487312
What about TR users?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 04:50:06 No.46489053 Report

Quoted By: >>46489061

>Psyduck Water/Psychic
>Ability: Moody
>Golduck Water/Psychic
>Ability: Contrary

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 04:50:51 No.46489061 Report

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>>46489053
What moves does it even have to take advantage of Contrary?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 04:51:25 No.46489066 Report

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>>46485108
Dude the OP said "more viable" not "go up a tier"

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Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 04:52:00 No.46489072 Report

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>>46489066
More viable means go up at least one tier, you faglord

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Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 04:52:18 No.46489078 Report

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>>46483528
Give them recover.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 04:53:28 No.46489088 Report

Quoted By: >>46489094

>>46489072
You have any idea how difficult it would be to make shitmons go up a tier? We have stuff like Vaporeon in fucking NU now. The power creep is too strong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 04:54:20 No.46489094 Report

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>>46489088
Just bring older Pokemon up to powercreep levels

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 04:55:52 No.46489102 Report

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>>46485108
>fanfic meta

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Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 06:06:22 No.46489563 Report

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>steel-type body press

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Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 06:11:01 No.46489587 Report

Quoted By: >>46489714

Endeavor. This thing only shows up in Ubers and AG anyway. What are you going to do? Ban it from AG?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 06:30:25 No.46489714 Report

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>>46489587
It's surprisingly good in Ubers. Hard walls Kyogre and Xerneas, walls Zygarde if it doesn't carry toxic, takes no damage from 3/4s of Zacians moves, can kill calyrex-S with shadow sneak when at ~85%, etc. If Zekrom had a different ability Shedinja would be a legitimate uber mon

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Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 06:43:04 No.46489790 Report

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>Snipe Shot is now a guaranteed-crit move
>Sniper now boosts crits and boosts accuracy by 1.5

Also, Sniper Kingdra is now viable thanks to it now having 100% accurate Hydro Pump, 93% accurate Blizzard and 100% accurate Draco Meteor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 06:56:41 No.46489862 Report

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Give Zamazenta a Rusted Gun

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Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 08:47:39 No.46490322 Report

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>>46483528
Midday Form:

HP: 75
Attack: 115 -> 60
Defense: 65 -> 75
Sp.Atk: 55-> 110
Sp.Def: 65 -> 85
Speed: 112 -> 115

Give it Ancient Power and Power Gem.

Midnight Form

HP:85 -> 105
Attack: 115 -> 90
Defense: 75 -> 120
Sp.Atk: 55 ->55
Sp.Def: 75 -> 115
Speed: 82 -> 95

Give it Recovery.

Dusk Form

HP: 75 -> 85
Attack: 117 -> 120
Defense: 65 -> 85
Sp.Atk: 55 -> 55
Sp.Def: 65 -> 70
Speed: 110 -> 115

Stone Edge is now affected by Tough Claws.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 11:08:46 No.46490933 Report

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>>46489563
>>steel-type body press

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Anonymous Sun 07 Mar 2021 11:24:02 No.46490985 Report

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Ice Punch and Electric/Fighting typing. All it needs, really.

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