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>>46586820
Interesting idea. I also like the idea of secondary type triangle.

However, I don't think this would actually happen. The starters were explicitly stated to have been brought from their respective regions, so they wouldn't have time to adapt to the region.

Also, I would rather they'd just buff the original forms.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 23:49:09 No.46586884 Report

Quoted By: >>46587332

>>46586844
Fire/Rock is actually really good offensively, and Typhlosion has the general stat spread to make it work if it were to get any special rock moves.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 23:49:16 No.46586885 Report

Quoted By: >>46587190

>>46586820
Yeah I had the same thought.
>>46586844
Fast Fire/Rock is good though. Look at Coalossal. Maybe they'll even throw regional ancient Typhlosion some more Speed like how other regional variants had some stats shifted around slightly. All 3 of Decidueye, Typhlosion, and Samurott would appreciate some more Speed actually.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 23:50:18 No.46586896 Report

Quoted By: >>46587084 >>46587147 >>46587896 >>46589873

>Rowlet caught in Alola
>Cyndaquil caught in Johto
>Oshawott caught in Unova
>smooth brain thinks they'll magically gain regional forms, despite being born in a completely different region to the one they're being used in

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 23:50:42 No.46586901 Report

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>>46586864
A Pikachu/Marowak/Exeggcute/Koffing from any region will evolve into the regional variant if brought to that region

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:04:57 No.46587028 Report

Quoted By: >>46587044

>>46586820
Are we just supposed to pretend normal samurott the fucking japanese samurai is supposed to be the "american" form then
And how much would it change exactly? It's already japanese you retard.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:07:06 No.46587044 Report

Quoted By: >>46587184

>>46587028
>Are we just supposed to pretend normal samurott the fucking japanese samurai is supposed to be the "american" form then

It's native to Unova so yes

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:10:24 No.46587084 Report

Quoted By: >>46587116

>>46586896
You are thinking too linearly. Not only is the region different, but the time period is different and Arceus the creator Pokemon is involved. Sinnoh is rich with lore. It doesn't have to be some strawman "regional form" as you've come to understand it because of what excuses GF has already put out to have new forms. Raichu became Psychic-type because it ate pancakes in that different region, like come on.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:13:05 No.46587116 Report

Quoted By: >>46587156

>>46587084
>Raichu became Psychic-type because it ate pancakes in that different region, like come on.
Isn't it that Alolans don't actually know why their Raichu is different so they just go "lmao i guess they ate a lot of pancakes?"

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:17:24 No.46587147 Report

Quoted By: >>46587173

>>46586896
>species change and evolve to adapt to a new evironement
what a crazy idea

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:18:35 No.46587156 Report

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>>46587116
Yeah they made a joke in place of explaining so there's no certainty on why it changed like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:19:38 No.46587162 Report

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>>46586820
>their sinnoh forms are just what they should've been from the start
shiggy diggy

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:20:40 No.46587173 Report

Quoted By: >>46587196 >>46587885

>>46587147
>species change and adapt
Over time, when you take your dog on vacation to hawaii it doesn't magically grow a hula skirt.

They were caught in their native regions and brought to sinnoh.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:22:29 No.46587184 Report

Quoted By: >>46587210

>>46587044
>it's native to unova
Where in unova can you catch it anon?
Oh that's right nowhere.

It's based on the theme of diversity, it being native makes no sense.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:22:54 No.46587190 Report

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>>46586885
Decidueye needs it's attack and speed swapped and -10 points from Attack moved to Special Attack
Grass/Flying with unchanged stats would be disastrous

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:23:45 No.46587196 Report

Quoted By: >>46587397

>>46587173
Not him but this is the franchise that conflates evolution and metamorphosis consistently, and has had spots around a region where you could take your mon to 'evolve' them. It's not crazy to think that arriving in a different region could 'evolve' them too, especially during a different time period.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:25:15 No.46587210 Report

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>>46587184
We've seen wild starters in other Pokemon media since the beginning.

LGPE had wild Bulbasaur, Charmander, dand Squirtle in Kanto. Legends Arceus has wild Turtwig, Chimchar, and Piplup in Sinnoh.

Starters have always existed in the wild in their respective regions, we just never encounter them because game mechanics.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:32:52 No.46587270 Report

Quoted By: >>46587287 >>46587301 >>46587386

>>46586820
Why did they have to make the RPS go in the same direction in Sun and Moon? Why not give each starter a secondary type strong against the secondary type of the primary they are weak to?

Why not-
Grass/Rock, Fire/Flying, Water/Fighting
or
Grass/Fighting, Fire/Rock, Water/Flying
or
Grass/Flying, Fire/Fighting (AGAIN), Water/Rock

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:35:46 No.46587287 Report

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>>46587270
It wasn't really RPS. Ghost doesn't beat Fairy. Fire resists Fairy to make the hits neutral.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:37:02 No.46587301 Report

Quoted By: >>46587386

>>46587270
>Grass/Flying, Fire/Fighting (AGAIN), Water/Rock
Only this is likely. Flying Typlosion & Samurott makes no sense

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:40:22 No.46587332 Report

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>>46586884
It'll likely get a Rock type Earth Power equivalent as it's signature

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:45:40 No.46587386 Report

Quoted By: >>46587569 >>46588343

>>46587301
>>46587270
>>46586820

The problem with all of these is they would basically make the base forms of these Pokemon completely obsolete. Typhlosion is already a complete shitmon, Having a better form of if without buffing the original would make it drop to FU (a new tier below ZU would be created to accommodate Johtoian Typhloison because that's how worthless it would be if a new version came along)

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:47:30 No.46587397 Report

Quoted By: >>46587481

>>46587196
And? They already established regional forms happened over a greater length of time than 200 years. Added onto the fact you're desperately ignoring, they *won't* adapt a "regional" form, due to not actually having time to grow, reproduce a couple of generations and begin reacting to the stresses Sinnoh places on them. They're FOB's from parts otherwise, meaning they're evolving as if they were still in their home range.
And that's without ignoring the meta of the fact they've only ever regionalised unpopular shitmon up to now. Starters, no matter how much you dislike any particular one or set are ALL more popular, than the most popular shitmon from any region, meaning there's no need to try and re-design it to re-market it.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:56:57 No.46587481 Report

Quoted By: >>46587623

>>46587397
Your post completely ignored the point I was making so I'll make it clear, especially since you're somehow reading desperation when it's the opposite.
If GF wants to give them alt forms, they will come up with an excuse to do so and that will then be canon.
It doesn't matter that your assumed "regional variant" doesn't fit the situation because the alt form doesn't have to strictly be just some regional variant, no one knows what it'll be -- Ancient Typhlosion, Typhlosion of Sinnohan Legend, Arcean Typhlosion, Sinnohan Typhlosion because pancakes, nonexistent, etc.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 01:07:43 No.46587569 Report

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>>46587386
I mean, it would still be out-BST'd by other Fire/Fighting starters, and just pick up some new weaknesses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 01:12:02 No.46587609 Report

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>>46586820
Alternatively you could use the Ice-Steel-Ground triangle for some interesting results, you'd probably have Decidueye be the Grass/Ice although you could also have Typhlosion be it just for the sake of introducing a Fire/Ice Pokemon (that isn't a temporary form)

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 01:14:10 No.46587623 Report

Quoted By: >>46587672 >>46587678 >>46591256 >>46592301

>>46587481
>If GF wants to give them alt forms, they will come up with an excuse to do so and that will then be canon.
If GF wanted to give the starters alt forms they wouldn't have chosen starters that already mach the feudal Japan well, this is redundant.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 01:21:42 No.46587670 Report

Quoted By: >>46587682

>>46586820
>Deals x4 damage to Typhlosion with a Water type move
>Deals x4 damage to Decidueye with an Ice type move
Yeah I'm thinking this is a thinly veiled Water supremacist thread.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 01:21:50 No.46587672 Report

Quoted By: >>46587937

>>46587623
What you call redundant I call befitting. It would be insulting to Samurott if they excluded it but included Charizard and gave it a full samurai transformation instead of just touching up Samurott who already has the theme.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 01:22:23 No.46587678 Report

Quoted By: >>46587937 >>46591256

>>46587623
Not to mention those three also have meaning in Ainu culture, again reflecting the real-world significance between the three being used as starters in Legends.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 01:22:59 No.46587680 Report

Quoted By: >>46594018

Why does everything have to be dual typed

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 01:23:28 No.46587682 Report

Quoted By: >>46587859

>>46587670
Hypothetically, Sinnohrott should be a physical attacker and likely wouldn’t get Ice Punch if he’s a swordsman

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 01:45:24 No.46587859 Report

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>>46587682
Ice-Type variant of Leaf Blade when?

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 01:48:24 No.46587885 Report

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>>46587173
>Over time, when you take your dog on vacation to hawaii it doesn't magically grow a hula skirt.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 01:49:54 No.46587896 Report

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>>46586896
Cyndaquil is the only one that would not make sense unless it gets a retcon, as you can acquire Cyndaquil in any DPPt game and evolve it to Quilava and Typhlosion.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 01:54:16 No.46587937 Report

Quoted By: >>46588048

>>46587672
If GF plan were to give alt form for the starters they would definitely go with the kanto one, something like a more oriental dragon charizard, a cherry tree venusaur and a kappa blastoise, thank god they didn't go for that direction because the actual one mach much better like >>46587678 said.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 02:05:31 No.46588048 Report

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>>46587937
It's all just speculation either way, we'll see what happens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 02:42:12 No.46588343 Report

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>>46587386
ZU and PU blow my mind.
Also Artcuno Galarian didn't make Articuno obsolete.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 02:45:10 No.46588376 Report

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>>46586844
Typhlosion has volcanic features. It would be reasonable for an alternate form to gain Rock

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 06:02:36 No.46589873 Report

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>>46586896
>cubone caught in any region evolve into alolan marowak in alola
>pikachu caught in any region evolve into alolan raichu in alola

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 10:36:00 No.46591256 Report

Quoted By: >>46591282 >>46592931

>>46587623
Giving them alt forms doesn’t mean changing what they are at their core. Hell, the alt forms if they come could easily represent the archetypes of Ainu culture that >>46587678 shows

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 10:43:15 No.46591282 Report

Quoted By: >>46592915

>>46591256
What’s up with the Dark typing? Night Slash STAB?

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 10:55:37 No.46591336 Report

Quoted By: >>46592689

>Fast Fire/Rock is good though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 14:12:55 No.46592301 Report

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>>46587623
Typlosion is a Shogun

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 15:08:20 No.46592689 Report

Quoted By: >>46594884

>>46591336
Don't condescend when you clearly don't play competitive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 15:18:57 No.46592774 Report

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Typhlosion would defiantly be fire/electric...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 15:36:32 No.46592915 Report

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>>46591282
samurai are scum

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 15:38:19 No.46592931 Report

Quoted By: >>46595661

>>46591256
>bipedal
ruined

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 17:53:19 No.46594018 Report

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>>46587680
What’s wrong with giving them a second type? It would spice up their designs and viability

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 18:40:13 No.46594400 Report

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>>46586844
having a good Speed and taking full use that it is an offensive typing unlike a certain SLOW snail

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 19:16:51 No.46594836 Report

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>>46586824
I would not be ok with this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 19:17:54 No.46594843 Report

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>>46586820
Samurott should just be Water/Fighting in it's base form, while the other shits are retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 19:19:53 No.46594864 Report

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>>46586820
>Sinnohan
FUCK REGIONAL FORMS
FUCK THEM ALL

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 19:21:37 No.46594884 Report

Quoted By: >>46595313

>>46592689
>play competitive.
lol, loser

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 20:02:12 No.46595313 Report

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>>46594884
I like to actually know what I'm talking about, sorry you don't lol

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 20:33:04 No.46595661 Report

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>>46592931
>literally everybody complains that he gets in all fours on his last evo
>bipedal
Isn't this what you always wanted?

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