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Someday I'd like to make a romhack/fangame that restores the betamons and makes getting them feasible and in like with their supposed origin.

Like evolving Porygon 2 while holding a different disc gets you the lion version.

Breeding Tangela while holding a Rosebud item (or something) gets you that alternate pre-evolution.

Maybe you find a sealed off area where prehistoric Pokémon still live in their unchanged forms like Draco-, Arcto-, -zolt, -vish have their regular bodies, and Rampardos isn't a balloon, and Genesect isn't a robot, and you can catch the Original Dragon, etc.

Even something like making Beta-Scizor a split evolution of Scyther where it reaches a certain level while not holding a Metal Coat.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 13:38:26 No.46680290 Report

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that weird soulless (literally, it looks dead) proto celebi

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 13:42:15 No.46680308 Report

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>>46679967
It looks like a middle stage.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 13:42:25 No.46680310 Report

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>>46680019
Gold 97?

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 13:43:46 No.46680319 Report

Quoted By: >>46680326 >>46680510 >>46687251

The scrapped Silver legendary.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 13:44:56 No.46680326 Report

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>>46680319
There's nothing implying this was meant to be a legendary.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 13:51:25 No.46680366 Report

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>>46680326
Literally right next to Ho-oh and Unown, not to mention it's based on a legendary Japanese creature just like Ho-oh. They ended up transferring the concept to the legendary dogs later on.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 13:54:15 No.46680383 Report

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>>46680366
>Literally right next to Ho-oh and Unown
So are Smeargle, Hoothoot, and this fellow.
>They ended up transferring the concept to the legendary dogs later on.
Entei, Suicune, & Raikou already had early designs.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 13:56:48 No.46680399 Report

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>>46680366
Proximity means nothing.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 14:00:31 No.46680424 Report

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>>46680383
Yes, and even they were designed after Ho-oh, Unown and the komainu.
>>46680399
>literally the legendary dogs right next to eachother
Case in point.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 14:08:56 No.46680480 Report

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Why did they change this dude to look so much worse

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 14:12:11 No.46680496 Report

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>>46679105
I hope we will get him as Omenyte regional

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 14:13:57 No.46680510 Report

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>>46680319
It was even in anime

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 14:18:09 No.46680525 Report

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Love this dude like you wouldn't believe.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 14:22:16 No.46680548 Report

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>>46680424
>starter and some random mon also next to the legendaries
It's literally just the order they were designed in, it means nothing.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 14:25:27 No.46680573 Report

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OP's and pic related are the saddest cuts for me.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 14:33:46 No.46680638 Report

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Some of these designs would be insanely popular and beloved. It’s a fucking shame I’ll never get to use the wolfmon in OP pic related

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 14:34:56 No.46680652 Report

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>>46680638
Worst part is that the wolf was cut only 4 months before the game released, along with everyone else in pic related.
Instead of these guys we got Cinchou, Lanturn, Wooper, Misdreavus, Wobbuffet, Pineco, Forretress, Dunsparce, Slugma, Magcargo, Corsola, Larvitar, and Pupitar.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 14:36:43 No.46680677 Report

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>>46680652
>You will never have a beta bro Mime Jr shoulder mon

What sucks even more is that leaking them cemented that GF would nevee use them

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 14:38:11 No.46680694 Report

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>>46680573
Looks like a MapleStory monster

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 14:54:37 No.46680846 Report

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>>46680652
That Farfetch'd evo is just using Wooper's palette.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 14:54:51 No.46680850 Report

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>>46680548
Of course the entire design process won't be a cohesive flow of concepts seamlessly transitioning into eachother, but there are some obvious examples of groups of Pokemon that are related to eachother evolution- or concept-wise being next to eachother due to being thought of and made at the same time. Evolutionary lines are an obvious example, as are the legendary dogs, and the Spinarak/Burmy lines being an example of them thinking "oh shit, we need to add more bugs".

The fact is, they were always intending to have two versions, and Lugia wasn't made until Shudo made it for the second movie long after the project had been retooled. It stands to reason that they had a legendary for Silver in mind, and the komainu is the most likely candidate by far judging by the evidence.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 14:55:24 No.46680859 Report

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>>46680019
I've never seen this before! I'm making a Black 2 rom hack. My next gym to change is the bug gym. I'm definitely modifying Scizor to look like this at the gym's ace!

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 17:54:23 No.46682312 Report

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>>46680573
Wait, you mean it's not a drunkard with a bucktooth?

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 17:55:22 No.46682324 Report

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>>46678619
If GameFreak was cool they would put some beta mons in Legends since it’s back in time and they know we know they exist. Just tweak them a bit and why not? At least one line.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 17:56:25 No.46682333 Report

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>>46679148
Based and underrated poast

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 17:57:45 No.46682346 Report

Quoted By: >>46693785 >>46696223

nobody gonna post gelanla?

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 18:22:09 No.46682542 Report

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what are the ghost looking thing below the eel

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 18:23:00 No.46682551 Report

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>>46678619
Mewtwo on the Safari Warden's house and Pokemon League originally being in Saffron.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 18:37:30 No.46682673 Report

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>>46682542
Girafarig's pre evo

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 19:14:24 No.46682972 Report

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>>46682673
Ok that interesting, what were there types? and were do people post the leaks of the betas?

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 19:59:48 No.46683328 Report

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>>46679967
what happened to Crandios and Rampardos is one of the strangest things i've seen across all these beta mons. I can tell they were trying to make him less cool, but they did it in such a shitty way, and to every element of his design. Made the head look even more like an egg, removed the marking that looks like a crack from it, made the arms cuter and more baby-like, made the feet less cool, made the eyes less cool, turned the whole body into that little teardrop shape and then, to add insult to injury: gave him an ugly little cheek shape on the side of his mouth.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 20:01:35 No.46683343 Report

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>>46680019
Are there any good romhack tools now? I haven't tried that stuff in years, and when I did there was still a lot of programming knowledge required.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 20:03:17 No.46683362 Report

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>>46682972
It was probably an early variation of Wobbuffet and not actually Girafarig's pre-evo. A Girafarig pre-evo backsprite does exist and does occupy the same slot as the ghosts/wobbuffet in one of the betas, so at some point it seems like Wobbuffet would be cut entirely in favor of Girafarig having two stages.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 20:06:50 No.46683388 Report

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>>46682312
It definitely has a big bucktooth, whoever did that art misread that detail.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 20:49:11 No.46683741 Report

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>>46683362
It literally was Girafarig's pre-evo in the Spaceworld 97 demo. Late in development, they combined it with a slime Pokemon (which would later inspire Wynaut and Shuppet) that reflected attacks but was weak against light, which is why Wobbuffet is a Pokemon found in Dark Cave. Wobbuffet's tail being its real body is also a remnant of Girafarig's pre-evo.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 21:47:01 No.46684207 Report

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Beta meltan

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 21:52:35 No.46684244 Report

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>>46680424
Why does gloom have a piece of shit next to it?

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 23:26:02 No.46684960 Report

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>>46684244
Developer joke.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 23:56:01 No.46685182 Report

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>>46680652
The only good ones there are the wolf one and the cat, rest are shit.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 00:06:33 No.46685271 Report

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>>46685182
I couldn't give less of a shit about the cat, and baby grimer is retarded, but every other one in that pic is great.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 00:08:55 No.46685288 Report

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 00:22:55 No.46685370 Report

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>>46678619
Samurai duck Farfetch'd evo, Shellder evo detached from Slowbro and beta Politoed. Honorable mentions for that Pinsir(?) evo that looks like an Angel from NGE

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 00:31:28 No.46685427 Report

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>>46679967
So originally it "evolved" after taking crack cocaine?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 03:20:04 No.46686473 Report

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 05:48:28 No.46687251 Report

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>>46680319
why did they desaturate this? looks like shit compared to the original

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 06:43:44 No.46687471 Report

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I like how weird beta Bayleef is

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 06:54:51 No.46687497 Report

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Same as always.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 09:25:59 No.46687979 Report

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This fucker would've been so popular

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 09:40:03 No.46688006 Report

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>>46679165
I know that, I just lacked a better term to describe all types that either were replaced or scrapped in one word.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 09:42:20 No.46688013 Report

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>>46687979
I don't know, I don't really like the fact that this line and some of the other beta lines like the beta Cyndaquil line have their elemental symbol on their chest. It was probably removed because of that. If it didn't have that, it would've been a generic tiger.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 10:35:02 No.46688150 Report

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>>46687979
I wish I could make it my bro
Well I guess there's always the Gold 97 romhack

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 11:03:24 No.46688217 Report

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Out of ones that haven't been posted, probably beta Arceus
He just looks so doofy

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 12:18:11 No.46688477 Report

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>>46688150
What the fuck is that red thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 12:35:54 No.46688535 Report

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>>46678664
I want ??? Type to come back and actually be used this time.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 12:41:37 No.46688549 Report

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>>46679932
fugging basde :Ddd
I also like beta Regigigas and Arceus. Their final designs are probably better, but they're funky in a great way.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 13:29:42 No.46688741 Report

Quoted By: >>46690588

Post your beta team

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 13:35:50 No.46688754 Report

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>>46678619
he looks cool. I like the contrast between right's pelt and his eyes. both of these mons are really nice.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 13:37:40 No.46688760 Report

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>>46680510
it was?

>>46680326
that thing was based off a shisa right? it probably was a legend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 13:56:32 No.46688830 Report

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>>46687979
>>46688150
I could see this thing returning in a 3D game. Generic tiger, but when it attacks, its hair sticks up with static or something.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 14:59:11 No.46689148 Report

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anyone is going to talk about beta wobbuffet?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 15:59:47 No.46689528 Report

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>>46689148
Cute angry Castform.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 16:22:20 No.46689665 Report

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did we get the gen 1 front sprites yet

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 17:59:52 No.46690398 Report

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Tangrowth is alright, but missing out on the smug smiling blob that is Gelanla is eternally disappointing.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 18:02:08 No.46690413 Report

Quoted By: >>46690449

Omega.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 18:06:23 No.46690449 Report

Quoted By: >>46690460

>>46690413
Everyone is certain hes a mecha but he just looks like a slowbro evolution to me, with shell armor.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 18:08:29 No.46690460 Report

Quoted By: >>46690507 >>46696188

>>46690449
From what I remember from the beta leaks from the gygaleak and analyzing the betas and stuff Omega was supposed to be the "final boss" of the Rocket Arc and meant to be fought at the top of not-Silph Co. It being a mecha, a mechanically modified Pokemon, was totally in-line with the nature vs manmade themes Gen 1 handled and touched upon here and there.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 18:13:51 No.46690507 Report

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>>46690460
sounds like pic related

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 18:23:33 No.46690588 Report

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>>46688741
right now in Gold 97 I'm using Volbear, Kotora, Curstraw, Farfetch'd, Hoppip, and Rinring

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 23:19:03 No.46692843 Report

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posting best girl itt

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 23:21:37 No.46692880 Report

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>>46680525
I like this one

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 23:22:05 No.46692885 Report

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>>46686473
Man, that anchor shark is sick

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 23:31:43 No.46692990 Report

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>>46678619
would have been a better and beloved fire starter than Typhlosion

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 23:48:18 No.46693138 Report

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xenomorph fossil?

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 00:06:58 No.46693305 Report

Quoted By: >>46693433

>>46684207
i never understood the idea of this thing. adding him as an evolution to ditto makes sense and i can see why they did it, but i also understand why they removed him.

it doesn't make much sense for a thing that can already transform into anything else, to evolve. it could just transform into its evolution, or it could just transform back to its base form from the evolution.

i wonder what the planned base stats of some of these betamons were.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 00:19:43 No.46693433 Report

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>>46693305
my dumb theory is they had a hardon for the new steel type and were actually going to have meltan transform into a steel type version of each pokemon with a metal mario look (just greyscale on the gbc). or maybe it would have been tied into the metal coat evolutions like ditto is tied to breeding.
100% not true but its how my brain accounts for it.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 00:21:56 No.46693468 Report

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>>46688150
>>46688830
I want to see it come back but at the exact same time its evo is the literal definition of "It just gets bigger" so I kind of want to see what another evolution might look like

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 00:26:04 No.46693503 Report

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>>46693433
i'm pretty sure the beta data says it does evolve with the metal coat.

i'm not sure what the point would be, since it was also only coded to learn transform and nothing else.

only thing could be higher HP since that's the only thing about ditto that doesn't change when it transforms.

i guess it would also make it more resilient.

so yeah actually - a tankier, more reslient ditto.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 00:33:09 No.46693564 Report

Quoted By: >>46693572

>>46693433
>meltan
fuck i meant animon
>>46693503
it was metal powder I think but most likely the same thing. a tankier ditto sounds right, if a bit boring.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 00:34:10 No.46693572 Report

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>>46693564
yes you're right it was the metal powder

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 00:47:47 No.46693710 Report

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>>46679967
They made it more diaperable

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 00:55:10 No.46693785 Report

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>>46682346
My sibling of great taste!

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 02:02:14 No.46694355 Report

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I'll never not be mad.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 02:07:25 No.46694391 Report

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>>46680525
> we will never get a badass kokopelli mon
It hurts bros...

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Plux

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 09:39:44 No.46696181 Report

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 09:42:14 No.46696188 Report

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>>46690460
So a Genesect type mon?

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 10:02:59 No.46696223 Report

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>>46682346
>>46687497
>>46692843
>>46693785
I want to fuck this fujo lookin' plant

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 12:01:30 No.46696581 Report

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This lil nigga. I still think about an alternate timeline where Blastoise stayed as a different evolution from the Squirtle line. Blastoise probably wouldn't have got the special treatment that he has so far just by being associated with Charizard though, so I guess it worked out in the end.

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