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>>46713236
>U-Turn
Nerf it to 40 BP, Give it to more Bug types.

>Earthquake
Give it to Entei

>Stealth Rock:
Make it so that Stealth Rock damage is reduced by 1/2 for all grounded Pokémon (Examples: Fire/Flying 50%, Fire/Bug 25%, Fire 12.5%). Flying types are immune to all other Hazards so this is fair. It also fits the lore because the Rocks float in the air.

Also, current distribution is complete nonsense, why do normal types like Blissey get it. Change distribution so that most Pokémon that learn are are Ground type/Rock type/ or themed around the Earth/Digging/Volcanos, etc.

>Close Combat
Reduce BP to 110 since everything gets it now

>Scald
>Reduce BP to 65

>Recover (I know it wasn't mentioned)
Nerf PP to 5

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 05:03:37 No.46713375 Report

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>>46713253
Why do you post this in every thread?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 05:12:47 No.46713427 Report

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>>46713248
Rest isn't there dipshit. Maybe change your strategy if a gen 1 move is giving you such a hard time dumbass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 05:15:16 No.46713434 Report

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>>46713236
I sincerely hate that Smogon users have convinced themselves that SR is a core game mechanic on par with switching pokemon. HDB have been a long time coming and people are clamoring to ban them because muh sneaky pebbles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 05:43:36 No.46713560 Report

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>>46713427
He’s talking about the rest of the moves listed here, not Rest itself

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 05:54:26 No.46713609 Report

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SR has been busted from day 1, u-turn is way too widely available, knock off might be a bit overbuffed and too widely distributed, and scald is straight up a dumb move that shouldn't exist or be limited to shit like volcarana

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 10:06:34 No.46714256 Report

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>>46713434
It's less that SR is a core game mechanic on par with switching, and more that it's the only way to punish switching.
Switching is the best (and usually only) defensive option in singles. Especially for non-defensive sets.
Trapping shuts down switching entirely and leaves the opponent completely defenseless, while hazards just force the user to not switch every single turn. Things like Regenerator and Magic Guard kinda shit on that, but it works for the most part.
There's a reason why Blissey is better than Chansey again for the first time since Eviolite was introduced. Being able to switch for free is more valuable for a stallmon than being able to take more hits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 12:37:36 No.46714742 Report

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>>46713364
>>Earthquake
>Give it to Entei
>HURR DURR BUFF MY SHITMON
Stopped reading there.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 13:15:08 No.46714914 Report

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>>46713236
>>half of those are basically Landorus entire used moveset + Stone Edge

Smogons Boner for the genie showing yet again

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 13:16:39 No.46714922 Report

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>>46714914
What Pokemon doesn't run all of those moves if available?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 13:18:17 No.46714928 Report

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>>46714922
Smeargle

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 13:19:28 No.46714935 Report

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>>46714742
Fuck off, there’s literally a thread right now saying Zacian-Broken should get it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 13:19:46 No.46714938 Report

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>>46714928
Smeargle has even better moves to choose from than those.
And isn't in the game anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 13:21:10 No.46714948 Report

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>>46713271
People always talk about the special split, but the moves introduced in gen4 had bigger impact than the division itself, now everyone has 100+ power moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 13:27:29 No.46714983 Report

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>>46714948
Giving every offensive stat and type equal options made the game boring. They should have embraced the imbalance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 13:29:44 No.46714999 Report

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>>46713236
4 Phys
1 Special
5 Status
Why do retards keep crying about how Special attack is superior when this list demostratively shows it isn‘t?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 15:27:50 No.46715634 Report

Quoted By: >>46715678 >>46715684 >>46720125

BTW here is 11-20:
11. Earth Power
12. Flamethrower
13. Volt Switch
14. Moonblast
15. Thunderbolt
16. Stone Edge
17. Taunt
18. Ice Beam
19. Draco Meteor
20. Teleport

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 15:33:30 No.46715678 Report

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>>46715634
>7/10 special
>2 status
>1 physical
I guess that other guy got blown the fuck out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 15:34:13 No.46715684 Report

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>>46714999
What were you saying >>46715634

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 15:38:23 No.46715708 Report

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>>46714983
bro gamefreak embraced imbalance years ago, is smoggie who doesn't want to embrace the imbalance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 16:05:07 No.46715927 Report

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>>46715708
Who is talking about Smogon? I'm just saying it's retarded to try and balance everything by making every type have a 100+ BP move for each offensive type. It's too homogenized.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 16:36:50 No.46716159 Report

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>>46715927
The problem is that the current system makes certain archetypes like Physical Eletroc types shitmons by default, with the only exceptions being those who get special snowflake moves. Maybe if there was some balance betwen base power/utility/stat buff and drops/side effects for certain types it could work ( Lame Freak sort of does this already but they clearly don’t know what they are doing with electric types)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 16:38:35 No.46716170 Report

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>>46716159
This stems from every other type getting insanely powerful moves for both stats. It's just power creep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 19:47:04 No.46717536 Report

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>>46714983
But they don't have equal options.
Physical Electrics get screwed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 23:26:52 No.46719036 Report

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I'm disappointed, but not surprised.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 00:52:36 No.46719541 Report

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>>46713236
Toxic, U-turn, and Stealth Rock need their distribution limited hard. I have no idea why they attempted to do this with Knock Off while effectively everything with wings (and sometimes shit pikaclones) can somehow use a bug-type move

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 00:57:40 No.46719580 Report

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>>46719541
They already did that with Toxic, but Umbreon is almost useless since it doesn't get it anymore even those its dex explicitly states "spraying poisonous sweat"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 01:02:13 No.46719629 Report

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>>46713236
Did Knock off really need the secondary damage buff from removing items?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 01:07:28 No.46719669 Report

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>>46713236
where the fuck is brave bird?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 01:08:44 No.46719684 Report

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>>46713427
kek

>>46713560
that is joke

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 01:08:59 No.46719687 Report

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>>46719669
There’s only like... 2 users in the entire tier (Corviknight and Galarian Zapdos)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 01:09:40 No.46719696 Report

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>>46719541
>Toxic, U-turn, and Stealth Rock need their distribution limited hard.
It makes no difference for OU as long as they can still be transferred from past gens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 01:09:46 No.46719697 Report

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>>46714948
gee its almost like making a 120/100 move with minor downsides a TM available to a fuckton of pokemon was a bad idea

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 01:14:02 No.46719732 Report

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>>46713236
>Scald
>Toxic
Now I know they were always good moves but how much of that usage is because of Toxapex supremacy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 01:16:16 No.46719752 Report

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>>46713236
>no stone edge
>no calm mind
>no focus blast
where was this data taken from, other than your ass?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 01:16:24 No.46719755 Report

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>>46719732
Landorus, Heatran, Swampert, Hippowdon, and Garchomp all heavily contribute to Toxic’s supremacy
For scald tho yeah it’s mostly Toxapex, with Slowbro and Pelipper also

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 01:26:21 No.46719844 Report

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>>46719752
>Stone Miss
>Most Pokemon in OU with Calm Mind have better sets
>Focus Miss

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 01:31:16 No.46719885 Report

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>>46719752
I counted

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 01:31:30 No.46719888 Report

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>>46713273
>>46713364
I'd say make Scald 60 BP so that it can still have a niche with Technician users, but I'm not sure there's much overlap there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 01:36:29 No.46719919 Report

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>>46719885
count better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 01:54:13 No.46720041 Report

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>>46713236
With the exception of Defog and Stealth Rock,these are also very common moves in VGC too. How interesting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 01:56:11 No.46720058 Report

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>>46720041
>Toxic in VGC

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 01:59:44 No.46720082 Report

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>>46713434
>I sincerely hate that Smogon users have convinced themselves that SR is a core game mechanic
It isn’t (to the game itself), they don’t ban something for not being a core mechanic.
However, the game would be so much different without Stealth Rock, and generally be worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 02:00:41 No.46720091 Report

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>>46714948
But only 2 of these moves hit for big damage, and 1 of them is Earthquake

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 02:06:08 No.46720125 Report

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>>46713236
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>>46720082
>>46720091

The split was a mistake

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 02:09:10 No.46720149 Report

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>>46720125
The only move here affected by the split is Knock Off

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 03:26:32 No.46720665 Report

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>>46720082
>However, the game would be so much different without Stealth Rock, and generally be worse.
Generally, less stall would be a good thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 07:41:04 No.46721798 Report

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>>46713236
Is this in order?

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 07:44:07 No.46721820 Report

Quoted By: >>46722518

>7/10 are stall moves

Lmao @ smoggies

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 10:25:09 No.46722518 Report

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>>46721820
Only Defog, and arguably Roost and Toxic.
The rest are either offensive or used on all kinds of teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 12:03:24 No.46722930 Report

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>>46720125
No it wasn’t you retarded shit-sniffer, the immense power-creep was the mistake, the split gives pokemon that weren’t viable some level of viability now, unlike power-creep which just keeps the top pokemon further at the top

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 12:23:54 No.46723022 Report

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>>46722518
Defog isnt a stall move either, offensive teams need to clean hazards too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 12:45:09 No.46723112 Report

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>>46713236
u-turn was expected

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 15:03:55 No.46723857 Report

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>>46721798
Left to right yes, only counting about the 60 most popular Pokémon in the tier

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