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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:17:38 No.46720979 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>46721030 >>46721036 >>46721037 >>46721103 >>46723086 >>46723442 >>46723453 >>46729694 >>46729698 >>46731276

What were they thinking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:20:06 No.46720993 Report

Quoted By: >>46721024 >>46722472 >>46722986

Statushax is a good way to make a boss mon difficult back in a generation where NPC trainers mons are essentially just higher-leveled wild mons. If you lack something that outspeeds it and can status it first or ohko it, Gengar can just sweep an unprepared team thanks to Hypnosis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:26:41 No.46721017 Report

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“Just throw ghosty moves on this ghost thing we’ve got deadlines to make and kids gobble it up anyway”

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:28:37 No.46721024 Report

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>>46720993
you didn't even look at the image

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:31:31 No.46721030 Report

Quoted By: >>46722004 >>46725707

>>46720979
>Dream eater
>No hypnosis
You hate to see it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:32:46 No.46721034 Report

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It’s always been clear that game freak doesn’t play their own games or know what all the moves do, you can’t tell me they do, where is the quality control?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:33:52 No.46721036 Report

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>>46720979
Verlisify used to be a dev at Lame Freak

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:34:11 No.46721037 Report

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>>46720979
It's level up moves with a Toxic overwrite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:35:41 No.46721041 Report

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Surprise, Gen 1 was terrible. We're sorry to break it to you this way.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:40:54 No.46721063 Report

Quoted By: >>46721994 >>46722069 >>46722158 >>46723086 >>46725285 >>46725873 >>46729688

Gen 1 movesets are something else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:42:23 No.46721069 Report

Quoted By: >>46721074 >>46721103

Pretty sure they had to deal with level up movesets and couldn't do custom ones

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:43:37 No.46721074 Report

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>>46721069
Gengar doesn't naturally learn Toxic, so that can't be it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:51:23 No.46721103 Report

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>>46720979
>>46721069
>>46721074
They do use level up sets for the most part the problem is since Agatha is the Ghost/Poison type someone went in and forced Toxic which erased Hypnosis instead of Confuse Ray. When the game tested I guarantee they didnt print out atk sheets so the testers didnt know it was missing Hypnosis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 08:28:34 No.46721994 Report

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>>46721063
>this is what genwunners considered the best generation

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 08:31:26 No.46722004 Report

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>>46721030
this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 08:51:12 No.46722052 Report

Quoted By: >>46722097 >>46728471

>>46721103
Interesting
Does it try to use dream eater even if the opponent isnt asleep?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 08:56:52 No.46722069 Report

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>>46721063
>gen 1 was har-

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 08:57:43 No.46722071 Report

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>>46722069
It was since 99% of us had a charizard with 4 fire attacks

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 09:03:32 No.46722097 Report

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>>46722052
The AI in gen 1 is programmed to always super effective moves if possible. If you sent out a psychic or fighting type it will spam Dream Eater over and over.

You can exploit this the whole game, for example, you can get Lance's Dragonite to spam Agility over and over against a poison or fighting type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 09:04:34 No.46722104 Report

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>>46722097
poison or fighting type*

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 09:05:01 No.46722108 Report

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>>46722069
It wasnt but you gotta remember movepools in gen1 are fucking abysmal and mostly stupid kids were playing and the game had to be beatable by them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 09:06:46 No.46722119 Report

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>>46722097
Pretty sure the AI also can't read a supereffective attack based on secondary typings, since the battle text doesn't factor it in when showing damage type effectiveness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 09:08:43 No.46722128 Report

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>>46722108
The game wasn't gimped to make it easier for kids to beat, it was gimped because GameFreak were (are) legitimately bad programmers.
See: the entirety of Gen 2 needing to be debugged by Iwata, the need to entirely rewrite the data structure for mons in Gen 3, no in-built matchmaking for decades, etc.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 09:14:43 No.46722158 Report

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>>46721063
AWAKEN

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 09:39:45 No.46722301 Report

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Dream Eater is deserved for stallfags with Rest, OP confirmed for low elo ngmi

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 09:42:20 No.46722314 Report

Quoted By: >>46722436 >>46722468 >>46726163

Dream Eater is reserved for stallfags with Rest, OP confirmed for low elo ngmi

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 10:07:27 No.46722436 Report

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>>46722314
? post elo

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 10:14:28 No.46722468 Report

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>>46722314
HOW DID GAMEFREAK KNOW I WOULD STALL OUT AGATHA WITH SNORLAX WHEN I WAS 7 AHHHHHHHHHHH FUCK YOU MASUDA

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 10:15:13 No.46722472 Report

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>>46720993
If this is bait, bravo, if it's not, holy shit, literally ingest bleach and do whatever you can to insure you never breed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 12:04:40 No.46722936 Report

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>>46722472
The fact that you're even contemplating it's not bait suggests that Natural Selection will eventually run it's course through you

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 12:11:03 No.46722969 Report

Quoted By: >>46726025

it was not uncommon for JRPGs to have 'hard' enemies with their difficulty nerfed via them wasting turns using do-nothing moves. the most egregious example of this that comes to mind is earthbound where enemies have literal do nothing moves like smiling or telling a joke

but you could also say this was just shitty design, which the first gen was full of, and that's probably just more believable given the utter incompetence of game freak on every level

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 12:16:24 No.46722986 Report

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>>46720993
>When your GF apologist mode activates so hard blood rushes into your brain and makes you vision foggy not letting you take a good luck at the shit you have to defend

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 12:38:51 No.46723086 Report

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>>46720979
What if they just weren't gonna give him a fourth move but threw dream eater on there because "fuck it, there's an off chance somebody could use rest"
Then again >>46721063 they put leer and tail whip on the same pokemon and they do the exact same thing and npcs didn't use pp so... yeah maybe it was just a mistake

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 13:11:41 No.46723242 Report

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>Play Blue version
>Save that one rare candy
>6th slot, repeat missingno process
>Entire game is now trivial

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 13:20:26 No.46723296 Report

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>>46721994
are you a retart?? the so called cgenwunttretrs like gen 1 because of the environment, atmosphere, everything not gameplay and especially the pokemon designs that are obviously the best ones by miles and greatest lengths. That's what they defend not the gameplay you stupid fucking faget

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 13:57:41 No.46723442 Report

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>>46720979
99% of people did not give a shit about this back then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 13:59:51 No.46723453 Report

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>>46720979
Master plan
Perfect Rest counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:26:37 No.46725257 Report

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>>46723453
Snorlax learns Amnesia because Gamefags can't code worth shit Amnesia snorlax broke the game
Today Amnesia is shit tier move Iwata fixed what they broke
3 Amnesia snorlax is immune to pretty much anything special

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:30:53 No.46725285 Report

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>>46721063
Alakazam is legitimately scary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 19:26:20 No.46725707 Report

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>>46721030
It's supposed to use the other ghosts hypnosis when switching in

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 19:47:24 No.46725869 Report

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>>46723296
Did you have a stroke while typing this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 19:48:05 No.46725873 Report

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>>46721063
That Alakazam can roflstomp everything in gen 1 not named chansey or mewtwo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 20:06:49 No.46726025 Report

Quoted By: >>46726053

>>46722969
Sometimes I genuinely get angry at how gamefreak fluked into creating pokemon as a franchise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 20:11:55 No.46726053 Report

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>>46726025
They used to create good games... What happened to Gamefreak?
https://youtu.be/7XcOZQhg7QA
https://youtu.be/-OOEYKyhBjQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 20:27:01 No.46726163 Report

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>>46722314
the game gives you an infinite use item that cures sleep

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 20:30:07 No.46726190 Report

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>>46725707
that might explain why agatha is more likely to switch out compared to most trainers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 01:27:16 No.46728400 Report

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>>46726053
? post elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 01:38:11 No.46728471 Report

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>>46722052
>>46722097
Actually, Agatha doesn't have 'good AI'. Her Pokemon will just attack randomly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 04:59:55 No.46729688 Report

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>>46721063
I like how Rhydon had to have Tail Whip AND Leer, just to be safe

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 05:01:19 No.46729694 Report

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>>46720979
Level up moveset i believe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 05:02:26 No.46729698 Report

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>>46720979
Isn't this just a level up moveset?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 11:52:35 No.46731214 Report

Quoted By: >>46731290

>>46722097
Actually Agatha had unique AI where she had I think 30% chance to randomly switch her pokemon. Probably done so that she could stone wall your normal types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 12:08:33 No.46731276 Report

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>>46720979
Ganger gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 12:12:30 No.46731290 Report

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>>46731214
Jugglers also do that

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