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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 14:49:10 No.46755899 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>46755912 >>46756456 >>46756660 >>46757054 >>46757601

>BDSP will keep hidden abilities
>will keep fairy typing
>will keep team preview
>will keep new items
>will keep new moves
>speculation that megas are coming back

Assuming it's the original 493, how different will the metagame be from gen 4?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 14:51:35 No.46755912 Report

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>>46755899
If all that happens, along with Platinum fixes like the regional dex, I’ll be a very happy camper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 16:33:55 No.46756456 Report

Quoted By: >>46756463 >>46756596 >>46756696 >>46757129 >>46757135 >>46757535 >>46757554 >>46757594 >>46759669 >>46761753 >>46761831

>>46755899
>Good stat spread
>Good movepool
Why do people say it's bad?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 16:35:01 No.46756463 Report

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>>46756456
Cant hit hard enough lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 16:52:25 No.46756596 Report

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>>46756456
It was a bad meme back then because Thunder Punch was a terrible stab.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 16:59:03 No.46756660 Report

Quoted By: >>46757122

>>46755899
>steel’s would likely become more prominent cus Celfairy would rain as the dominant OU pokemon member
>No permanent whether either so a lot of Pokemon given prominence by it will be butchered
>team preview makes the lead mega game impossible sadly, I saw it and it seemed fun
>buffed knock-off, scald, etc
I’d say, if mega’s don’t return, most of the original OU top threats would stay top threats and not much else, though a few Pokemon might rise in usage, like Crawdaunt with Liquidation and Knock-off, Driftblim/Vileplume both having strength sap, etc

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 17:03:36 No.46756696 Report

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>>46756456
>Good stat spread
>Good movepool
No, it's not fast enough or bulky enough to get anything done, it has no good boosting move or priority or recovery or anything.
If it had, like, Bulk Up and Iron Fist or something, it would maybe have a chance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 17:52:51 No.46757054 Report

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>>46755899
a stronger togekiss, for one

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 18:01:28 No.46757122 Report

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>>46756660
Gen 4 OU has a ton of shitmons that can't cut it nowadays. Dusknoir, Electivire, Ninjask, Vaporeon, etc

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 18:02:06 No.46757129 Report

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>>46756456
>Good stat spread

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 18:02:58 No.46757135 Report

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>>46756456
Ot needs +20hp or speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 18:10:39 No.46757199 Report

Quoted By: >>46757395 >>46757522 >>46757542

>>46756696
>>46757129
Tell me about pokemon with 540 BST and good stat spread.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 18:37:59 No.46757395 Report

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>>46757199
It helps when they aren't slow, frail mixed-attackers

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 18:42:18 No.46757439 Report

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>>46757395
>Doesn't mention any
I rest my case :)

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 18:54:14 No.46757522 Report

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>>46757199
Blissey and Naganadel.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 18:55:26 No.46757535 Report

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>>46756456
>>Good movepool
Not even remotely. There's a reason most people run it mixed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 18:56:07 No.46757542 Report

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>>46757199
Snorlax, Naganadel, Gyarados, Blissey, Darmanitan

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 18:57:50 No.46757554 Report

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>>46756456
>Slow Frail Mixed Attacker despite its appearance
>Best STAB is Wild Charge
>Non-STABs hit like a wet noodle
>Only ways to boosts its attack are Curse and Power-Up Punch
>No way to boost SpA either
>Special Coverage is Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Psychic, and Weather Ball
>No more HP Grass or HP Ice

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 19:03:20 No.46757594 Report

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>>46756456
It's stats are ass-backwards. its 123 Atk is a waste because its physical moves are ass (75 BP punches, Electric Take-Down for its main STAB, Cross-Miss). Its Special movepool is a waste because its SpA is only 95. Also its speed is just slow enough to be outsped by everything that matters, but just high enough to take stats away from bulk (making it a SFMA
in disguise)

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 19:03:46 No.46757601 Report

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>>46755899
>>will keep new moves
they didn't even do this for SS, why would it suddenly come back in another gen 8 game and make them incompatible

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 19:14:54 No.46757692 Report

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>>46757439
So, how is Electivire good or viable, exactly?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 19:22:31 No.46757761 Report

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>>46757692
I use it sometimes in OU, it's not the best thing ever but it can get me some wins.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 19:31:14 No.46757857 Report

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>>46757761
Unironically post elo and replays or that statement means exactly shit.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 19:45:27 No.46758005 Report

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>>46757761
Post replays

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 19:46:35 No.46758018 Report

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If it's based on DP and not Pt it'll be dogshit

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 20:07:35 No.46758215 Report

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>>46757857
>>46758005
Don't have replays. elo is 1330 ish

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 21:09:40 No.46758615 Report

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>>46758215
Maybe try using Pokemon that aren't dogshit, and your elo will improve

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 21:27:36 No.46758745 Report

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>>46758615
I don't care about it. I just like having fun.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 22:25:27 No.46759210 Report

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>>46758745
I still wanna see a replay of you winning with Electivire

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Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 22:31:10 No.46759257 Report

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Was about to plan it out and give a few top picks but... I really really worry about the SwSh precedent. Not the dexcut, the removed moves. There is a lot that they could skip that is newer or 'not worth it'.

Case in point, will Vespiquen ever get its moves back or are they permanent cuts you can only see in Home in G8?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Apr 2021 23:35:01 No.46759669 Report

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>>46756456
Stat spread isn't that good.
95 speed means it gets outsped by the common 100 speeds.
Pretty frail overall, which doesn't help the speed problem.
And 123 base attack seems good, until you remember it has no good STAB and no ability that boosts it's damage output.

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Anonymous Mon 05 Apr 2021 01:55:24 No.46760513 Report

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I wonder if the Rotom formes will be in it.
They were originally added in Platinum, and they didn't even get their secondary typings until gen 5.

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Anonymous Mon 05 Apr 2021 05:17:27 No.46761753 Report

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>>46756456
123 Attack really isn't that high.
Yes, there are viable mons with less than that, but they have good STAB, boosting moves, and boosting abilities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Apr 2021 05:32:19 No.46761831 Report

Quoted By: >>46762952

>>46756456
>Good Movepool
it's a S.. uh.. Moderately fast FMA in disguise

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Apr 2021 11:37:23 No.46762952 Report

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>>46761831
95 is actually pretty slow, all things considered.
Even in gen 4 OU, it was outsped by Aerodactyl, Azelf, Celebi, Flygon, Gengar, Infernape, Jirachi, Jolteon, Latias, Ninjask, Shaymin, Starmie, Tentacruel, Weavile, Zapdos, Alakazam, Crobat, Froslass, Mismagius, Raikou, Sceptile, and Staraptor. And it ties with Gliscor, Uxie, and Yanmega
Not even getting into the fact that it gets outsped by slower mons who can boost their speed with Agility or something, since Electivire can only boost its speed by coming in on an Electric move, and it can't afford to run Scarf because it needs something to boost its damage.

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