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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 18:09:02 No.46823152 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>46823168 >>46823181 >>46823223 >>46823305 >>46823518 >>46824101 >>46824551 >>46825112 >>46828792

>Prevents the opponent’s side from healing for 5 turns, regardless of switching.

Does this change rid the world from stall? Worth noting that it has a somewhat smaller distribution, some of the better users might be Thundurus, Latios, Celebi, Klefki, and maybe Silvally. The creation dragons also get it for the Ubers toer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 18:11:24 No.46823168 Report

Quoted By: >>46823518

>>46823152
>Heal Block Shadow Tag Gothitelle

yeah that shit is bonkers

Also Reuniclus and maybe Cofagrigus may be good users of it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 18:12:37 No.46823181 Report

Quoted By: >>46823205

>>46823152
Does it stop Regenerator?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 18:15:32 No.46823205 Report

Quoted By: >>46823212

>>46823181
Since this changes version of the move doesn’t wear off when a Pokemon switches, yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 18:16:22 No.46823212 Report

Quoted By: >>46823301

>>46823205
I mean with the way it is currently

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 18:17:44 No.46823223 Report

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>>46823152
It still takes up a move slot
There should be an ability that either blocks healing or turns healing into healing for the holder instead of the enemy, that way there's always a passive risk of it. Saying as how there are abilities that set weather, give priority to moves, etc., it wouldn't be that busted and it would permanently damage stall because there's always a passive risk of it happening.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 18:26:46 No.46823301 Report

Quoted By: >>46823332

>>46823212
I don’t believe it does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 18:27:37 No.46823305 Report

Quoted By: >>46823327 >>46823334

>>46823152
This is actually interesting
Maybe smogontards will realize its efficiency in a few years like they did with future sight

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 18:30:51 No.46823327 Report

Quoted By: >>46823520 >>46824231

>>46823305
Cant realize of something that doesnt exists.
Current Heal block doesnt do that.
Just like how Future sight was shit before it got buffed twice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 18:31:35 No.46823332 Report

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>>46823301
Then I definitely welcome this buff

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 18:31:45 No.46823334 Report

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>>46823305
? post elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 18:58:00 No.46823518 Report

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>>46823152
>>46823168
>blocks any damage and healing move like giga drain
really underrated

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 18:58:15 No.46823520 Report

Quoted By: >>46823538 >>46824586

>>46823327
i have never heard of anyone using future sight before gen 7
why did it become so popular only in gen 8?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 19:00:05 No.46823538 Report

Quoted By: >>46823561

>>46823520
it got used a little bit in earlier gens on Slowking for AV sets since it was still kinda useful back then and it had a free slot sometimes

but yeah the answer to your question is basically to fuck with stall, specifically toxapex

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 19:03:20 No.46823561 Report

Quoted By: >>46823578 >>46823593 >>46825227

>>46823538
still not really getting it, why future sight over psychic / psyshock?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 19:05:00 No.46823578 Report

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>>46823561
Base 120 power
Forces switches

Imagine this thing coming to wallop ypur wall several turns later in conjunction with your own nuke. Its a setup

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 19:08:19 No.46823593 Report

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>>46823561
If you to have your Slowbro use Psychic against Toxapex, they can switch easily to Mandibuzz or Clefable or whatever and resume to easily heal off the damage you did. Or, if Pex is bulky and you’re weak enough, they might just not even take that much from Psychic and heal it back with regen or recover.

With Future Sight however, Pex now has to think twice about coming in to your Pokemon that it’s supposed to counter (say, Blaziken or whatever) lest it take that 120 BP Future Sight damage in addition to the damage it will take from hazards and Blaziken in the same turn. Basically, it massively disrupts your opponent’s switching options and stacks damage in a way regular attacks can’t.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 20:19:52 No.46824101 Report

Quoted By: >>46824160

>>46823152
Still irrelevant in the format that actually matters

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 20:26:42 No.46824160 Report

Quoted By: >>46824254 >>46826978

>>46824101
Fanfic meta doesnt matter

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 20:37:20 No.46824231 Report

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>>46823327
Don't worry anon, npctards who keep seething about Smogon aren't able to really think before posting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 20:40:53 No.46824254 Report

Quoted By: >>46824359 >>46824472 >>46825495

>>46824160
I really hate the newfags that spout this. When did this start, 2019? Feels like it was after Masters came out.

One day they'll be less awful, but it takes time

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 20:57:40 No.46824359 Report

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>>46824254
Cope

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 21:01:35 No.46824388 Report

Quoted By: >>46824459

It'll get banned within a month, Stallfags run the fanfic meta and ban literally anything that threatens them

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 21:13:28 No.46824459 Report

Quoted By: >>46824986

>>46824388
they havent banned Taunt, but beyond the hyperbole but you’re not entirely wrong- there really would be no reason to ban this Heal Block but bc it’s A) new and B) threatens stall it would have to go

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 21:15:26 No.46824472 Report

Quoted By: >>46826797

>>46824254
It was around the time Verlisify first coined the term back in 2017. I didn't know he had so many fans on here. Or rather, I didn't know his fans were so autistic

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 21:24:11 No.46824551 Report

Quoted By: >>46829652

>>46823152
Literally just use Taunt instead.
Or use Haxorus with Sword Dance.
Who would even put Heal Block on their moveset when Taunt will be just as effective, and Sword Dance sets can Blow Away everything but Quagsire.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 21:26:50 No.46824586 Report

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>>46823520
It got buffed twice, and the Slowtwins are the best users of it.
Before, Future Sight had less than 100 BP and wasn’t even 100% accurate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 22:17:32 No.46824986 Report

Quoted By: >>46825101 >>46825419 >>46826776 >>46826936

>>46824459
>Stallfags banned Urshifu because it threatened stall
>Stallfags banned Kyruem-B because it threatened stall
>Stallfags banned Cinderace because it threatened stall
>Stallfags banned Dracovish because it threatened stall
>Stallfags banned Landorus-Vanilla because it threatened stall
>Stallfags banned Pheromosa because it threatened stall
>Stallfags banned Baton Pass because it threatened stall
>Stallfags banned Darmanitan because it threatened stall
>Stallfags banned Naganadel because it threatened stall
>Stallfags banned Pheromosa because it threatened stall
>Stallfags banned Specterier because it threatened stall
>Stallfags banned THE CORE MECHANIC OF THE GENERATION because it threatened stall

Fanfic meta has been completely overrun by whiny stallfags and they will ban literally ANYTHING new that threatens them

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 22:31:31 No.46825101 Report

Quoted By: >>46825196

>>46824986
Stall literally thrived with all those things since they were the only reliable answers to those things.
Besides Kyurem-B, which just fucks over everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 22:33:14 No.46825112 Report

Quoted By: >>46825179

>>46823152
That would be broken in VGC. It would basically be a better version of Unnerve that persists even after you switch out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 22:41:22 No.46825179 Report

Quoted By: >>46825247

>>46825112
>It would basically be a better version of Unnerve that persists even after you switch out.
You mean the move you have to set up (thus using a moveslot) and only lasts 5 turns with no way to extend it on a mon you have to specifically bring that knows it is better than a passive ability? Color me shocked!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 22:43:12 No.46825196 Report

Quoted By: >>46825204 >>46825264 >>46825600

>>46825101

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 22:44:35 No.46825204 Report

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>>46825196
Stall is such an amazing and durable playstyle that it must be protected at all costs.

As long as we're making strawmen here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 22:47:31 No.46825227 Report

Quoted By:

>>46823561
It forces progress. Getting essentially 2 strong attacks in one turn every time it pops can take out a Pokemon that would otherwise take 20 turns to KO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 22:50:11 No.46825247 Report

Quoted By: >>46825515

>>46825179
I'm saying, one way to look at VGC is "you need to deal 400% health to the enemy team, before they deal 400% health to you (not including Dynamax)." Some of the most common items in VGC are the Sitrus and 33% berries, so most teams you actually need to deal 425% or even 458% health. Pressing one button once at the start of the match to do 12.6% of the total damage you need to deal, ignoring any type resistance, is VERY powerful. I think Heal Block is fine as is; there has to be some counterplay or cost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 22:52:46 No.46825264 Report

Quoted By:

>>46825196
>Before Dracovish got banned
>ClefToad cores on every team
>Dracovish is banned
>Toad’s usage drops off like a rock and teams become more offensive

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 23:11:32 No.46825419 Report

Quoted By:

>>46824986
Smogon dickrides stall because they know the game has fuckall depth without the switch mechanic and Pokemon always dying in just 2 or 3 hits

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 23:19:41 No.46825495 Report

Quoted By:

>>46824254
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/search/text/fanfic%20meta/
Earliest example was 2015 according to the archive, but of the 99 pages, the first 91 are all from after Masters came out.
So yeah, the spamming was pretty recent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 23:22:06 No.46825515 Report

Quoted By:

>>46825247
>I think Heal Block is fine as is
Also disagree. Can you show me ONE Pokemon who's competitive moveset, Smoggie or VGC, runs Heal Block?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 23:34:24 No.46825600 Report

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>>46825196
Offensive mons aren't just one thing. There's different kinds.
Wallbreakers are the best against stall, and they're not the ones that get banned. The ones that get banned are sweepers, which aren't as good against stall because they need speed, and speed is a wasted stat against stall because everything outspeeds them anyway.
Sweepers hurt wallbreakers and tanks more than anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 23:34:26 No.46825601 Report

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It would be really cool in National Dex meta, since Z-Heal Block gives you a Nasty Plot boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 02:16:19 No.46826776 Report

Quoted By:

>>46824986
Stallmons have high bulk and can take hits better than anything else.
If something can offensively threaten stall, it threatens everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 02:20:17 No.46826797 Report

Quoted By:

>>46824472
I think it's more that a couple of fans started saying it and then a bunch more people latched onto it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 02:46:50 No.46826936 Report

Quoted By:

>>46824986
Most of these were banned not because they threatened stall but because they simply muscled through the rest of the tier akin to an Ubers mon. I can tell from thus post that you seethe about "fanfic meta" because you're so dogshit at the game you let stallfags dick you down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 02:52:57 No.46826978 Report

Quoted By: >>46828028

>>46824160
But it has a larger playerbase than Gayme Fr*aks official meta, which struggles to even reach 2K viewership.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 06:32:29 No.46828028 Report

Quoted By:

>>46826978
>showdown has less than 10000 players
>swsh sold over 20 million copies
hmmm... something doesn't add up here

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 11:20:26 No.46828792 Report

Quoted By:

>>46823152
No, it doesn't completely rid the world of stall.
If for no other reason than because there's so few good mons with Heal Block.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 11:27:51 No.46828822 Report

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guys... you aware that heal block got cut, right?
https://pastebin.com/3FTfUgzd?fbclid=IwAR3p92WEijj5PgrGXcoEmhHMKQkBraNDif4kFW88NSla8sbbyVR_ojmrm4o

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 14:03:18 No.46829652 Report

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>>46824551
Taunt doesn’t cancel Regen and the next mon could still spam healing with unaware. Obviously Haxorus could break through anyway but naming one of the best stallbreakers that not every team has the room to run is an irrelevant point to whether or not this change would be useful

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