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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 20:30:49 No.46824188 View View Reply Original Report

How would you make overworld pokemon more dynamic and lifelike while also being cost-effective

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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 20:33:19 No.46824205 Report

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>>46824188
Showcase their behaviors from the Dex: >show a Zangoose and Seviper fighting
>show a Remoraid following a Mantine
Also have more defined biomes besides just “desert” and “tundra”.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 20:34:34 No.46824215 Report

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>>46824188
The monsters could interact with each other more like in DQMJ3. In DQMJ3 monsters can do things like eat each other or summon each other. Like you can have Rhyperior fire Roggenrola at me or something or Dusknoir summon Duskull for example.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 20:35:55 No.46824225 Report

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>>46824188
more generic animations that can apply to any pokemon could work, if the rigging was done correctly. i don't think stiffness is a cost issue though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 20:36:56 No.46824228 Report

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>>46824188
Overworld Pokémon would have additional stats that would dictate their behavior, such as perception, aggressiveness, ground speed, etc.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 20:38:19 No.46824236 Report

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>>46824188
Do what MHW did

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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 20:59:08 No.46824370 Report

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>>46824236
How many monsters does that game have?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 21:05:54 No.46824412 Report

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>>46824188
Add 1-2 more idle animations that would fit the Pokemon's behavior. For Tauros, it would be something like a grazing animation.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 21:09:40 No.46824431 Report

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>>46824188
>How would you make overworld pokemon more dynamic and lifelike while also being cost-effective
Make it a separate game and then reuse it 2 years later, while also integrating it into Pokemon Go's AR mode.
Also just make it a Spore reskin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 21:11:09 No.46824438 Report

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>>46824370
31

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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 21:13:03 No.46824454 Report

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Pokemon Snap would've been the perfect opportunity to build the engine but I guarantee you they didn't think of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 21:13:51 No.46824464 Report

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>>46824188
Xenoblade 1 did it pretty well. Just monsters having little interactions. Like a rhyperior throwing geodudes. Pokemon having "alert" types either by species or nature such as brave pokemon chasing the player and timid running away

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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 21:18:51 No.46824507 Report

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>>46824464
small independent studio please understand

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 21:26:48 No.46824585 Report

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>>46824188
They should have a minimum of interaction with the environment itself. Have them climb trees, hide in grass, etc. Anything other than just walking around like robots.
Also for fuck sake wait until the player has the camera turned elsewhere before you spawn/despawn wild Pokemon. Nothing breaks the immersion more than that. Games have figured out how to do that since the N64.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 21:28:46 No.46824600 Report

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>>46824585
They were too chickenshit to do away random encounters entirely, so if you're zooming on a bike you'll sometimes get zerged and forced into battle.
So no more random encounters but more like inconvenient encounters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 21:41:38 No.46824706 Report

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>>46824464
The thing about being alert happens in SwSh by pokemon's level/species. Some attack on sight, some run, and some approach carefully.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 22:20:26 No.46825012 Report

Quoted By: >>46825025 >>46825068 >>46825865

>the most profitable franchise on the planet
>w-w-we need to save money guise! What features can we cut to save time??

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 22:21:08 No.46825018 Report

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>>46824188
by getting rid of it, open world was a mistake

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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 22:22:07 No.46825025 Report

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>>46825012
Why do you think it's the most profitable franchise?

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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 22:23:33 No.46825039 Report

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>>46825025
because of autists like you consooming?

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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 22:26:14 No.46825068 Report

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>>46825012
Time isn't literally money, although given how miserly Nintendo's budgets can be, I imagine that's part of it. The time deadline is much worse, I can barely imagine how Transformers makes as many toys as it does in the timeframe and in the budget, let alone a fucking video game.
>>46825025
Because it was a few years ago, it might have been beaten out by something from Disney, it could very well be at the top though. Interestingly, most of that money didn't come from video games. Fuck, Fist of the North Star made more off of video games than Pokemon did for a while (I think post-SS it probably beat it, but is still nowhere close to Mario).

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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 22:30:07 No.46825090 Report

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>>46825025
because they sell minimum 15 million copies per new generation

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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 22:52:11 No.46825260 Report

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>>46825018
this
Open world pokemon could be good, but on no planet will the level of effort be put in to make it worth it. Better to scrap the shit open world and save the effort for improving the main game.

>>46824188
the only way they could do it is if they actually commited to the smaller dex, having like one generations worth of pokemon at most rather than 'cutting it down' and still having like 400. But that would be shit for different reasons

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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 23:03:10 No.46825347 Report

Quoted By: >>46825428 >>46825442 >>46825477 >>46826667

its honestly not even bad in swsh

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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 23:12:14 No.46825428 Report

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>>46825347
Its worse than random encounters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 23:14:32 No.46825442 Report

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>>46825347
It's underdeveloped though. The pokemon aren't doing much but walking around doing nothing, maybe they'll walk up to you or chase you, but overall they're just doing nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 23:17:12 No.46825463 Report

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>>46825018
OP said overworld not open world

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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 23:17:33 No.46825467 Report

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>>46825463
same shit fuckass

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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 23:18:15 No.46825477 Report

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>>46825347
It kinda is. It's better than nothing but the whole thing feels super unnatural

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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 23:19:17 No.46825486 Report

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>>46825467
Ok I'm just not gonna even touch that, have a nice day

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 23:34:21 No.46825599 Report

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>>46825428
how?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 23:41:59 No.46825652 Report

Quoted By: >>46825679 >>46825744

>>46825599
Before I'd just fight or catch whatever I ran into, use it as an excuse to grind some of my team members. It exhausted PP and made the trainers along the route more difficult.

Now I just avoid everything, don't even bother catching stuff because I don't remember if I'd already caught it or not. The level curve and exp share means you never have to encounter wild pokemon at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 23:43:46 No.46825665 Report

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>>46824236
Completely ruin the series for the rest of time? X/Y already did that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 23:45:52 No.46825677 Report

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it would be best to have both random encounters and overworld mons together. overworld mons are based & immersive, but the grass is fun too especially in ORAS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 23:45:59 No.46825679 Report

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>>46825652
so it's worse because you arbitrarily decided to play like a retard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 23:52:34 No.46825744 Report

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>>46825652
>Game doesn't cater to my specific unorthodox playstyle therefore bad
.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Apr 2021 23:58:52 No.46825814 Report

Quoted By: >>46825838

>>46825744
>>46825679
How do you play? Did you just click run away every time? I did that until I was about 10 years old.
But yes, its worse. The way I play is the only way a human can play a vanilla pokemon game without having the mind of a toddler.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 00:01:23 No.46825838 Report

Quoted By: >>46825861

>>46825814
>wasting time on pointless encounters is the only way a human can play

ok by then this dumbfuck logic overworld encounters are better because you can just run into everything you see on purpose and the game is even harder because you'll be out of PP even faster by the next trainer.

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Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 00:03:01 No.46825851 Report

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>>46824188
I thought the overworld pokemon are good considering how many there are.

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Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 00:04:21 No.46825861 Report

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>>46825838
>wasting time
>by leveling your team evenly
???????????????????????
???????????????????????
Do you skip the trainers too?

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Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 00:05:18 No.46825865 Report

Quoted By: >>46825949 >>46826144

>>46825012
>Stop running like a business and do everything a handful of autists cry over

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Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 00:08:05 No.46825887 Report

Quoted By: >>46825916

>>46825861
1. you don't need to level up your team evenly nor do you need to grind wild encounters to beat any of these piss easy games.
2. the exp share already levels my party evenly for me.

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Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 00:11:06 No.46825916 Report

Quoted By: >>46825927

>>46825887
>2. the exp share already levels my party evenly for me.
cancer
>1. you don't need to level up your team evenly nor do you need to grind wild encounters to beat any of these piss easy games.
Skip optional trainers and all wild encounters and you can't beat the elite 4. I guarantee it, at least in pre-exp share games

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Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 00:12:59 No.46825927 Report

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>>46825916
>Skip optional trainers
We're not talking about trainers.

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Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 00:17:04 No.46825949 Report

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>>46825865
>good goyem
>video games are just a shekel generator

Can't wait until the PS7 heroin pump edition comes out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 00:27:51 No.46826020 Report

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>>46824188
First shrink the areas.
Have the big open areas be separated into multiple clumps split between rivers and ravines.
Reduce the amount of pokemon there, Having 20 random pokemon just idling around is shit.
It's much more impressive to have about 5, doing actual things in the wild. Eating, drinking, bashing heads, fighting, digging etc etc.

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Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 00:29:38 No.46826031 Report

Quoted By: >>46827218

>>46824188
Make the ammount of pokemon that can appear in certain areas/patches not too numerous, and animate specific interactions for some of them only.

Pokemon like wooloo and skwovet wouldnt have any interaction animation, they'd just ignore eachother, while something like cramorant could be put into a more specific areas instead of at "multiple places when raining", somewhere close to a body of water, where he could attempt dives, or pursuit arrokudas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 00:32:02 No.46826045 Report

Quoted By: >>46826144

>>46825949
>DA JOOS

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 00:39:32 No.46826087 Report

Quoted By: >>46826154

>>46824370
Why does it matter? Do you think you have to model every bird, you retard?

Just make 31 templates, and assign each mon a template. Jesus fuck this is why you will never

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 00:45:43 No.46826144 Report

Quoted By: >>46826152

>>46825865
>>46826045
I'm sorry, but thats the point of demand in a buisness, they might actually do it if many autists cry over it. Even if you dont want to complain 24/7 like me and many others, actively going out of your way to discourage criticism or any calls at improving the game, makes you look like a retarded shit eater.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 00:46:39 No.46826152 Report

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>>46826144
touch grass incel

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 00:46:44 No.46826154 Report

Quoted By: >>46826232 >>46826276

>>46826087
Planning and making interactions between 30 creatures is a lot easier than 300. Even if you reuse animations you have to decide which pokemon should interact and how.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 00:54:16 No.46826209 Report

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>>46824205
IoA has different beaches, field/meadows, a swamp, "open" sea, a forest, some caves, a small desert and a mountainous zone. CT has the snowy tundra with some diferentiated zones like the cemetery, several caves with different styles each, the glacier/icy sea and the bird's meadow.
I agree with your point somehow, but the DLCs added many biomes, the problem is the scale (i.e. you have a swamp but you can go through it in 15 seconds) and the interaction of the mons with the enviroment and other mons. I hope Legends will solve that and not feel like a glorified wild area

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Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 00:57:33 No.46826232 Report

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>>46826154
No it isn't. Make templates.

>you have to decide which pokemon should use each template
duh, minimal effort

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 01:03:37 No.46826276 Report

Quoted By: >>46826514 >>46826716

>>46826154
Thats still not a lot of work for a studio like GF. Hell, get a single guy, give him the models, the animations and dex descriptions/relevant data and he'll do both planning and implementation in a month maximum. Fr it's not that hard if you reuse animations

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 01:33:37 No.46826514 Report

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>>46826276
[citation needed]

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Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 01:38:30 No.46826550 Report

Quoted By: >>46826574

>>46824188
>being cost-effective

You mean, by the standards of a multi-billions company?
Very easily

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 01:41:58 No.46826574 Report

Quoted By: >>46826729

>>46826550
what company made a game with 300+ overworld encounters that are also dynamic and lifelike?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 01:49:29 No.46826624 Report

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>>46824188
Hire talented developers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 01:56:55 No.46826667 Report

Quoted By: >>46826702

>>46825347
It's horrible except for maybe 5 pokemon. The monsters have no souls whatsoever and just walk around like retards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 02:01:22 No.46826697 Report

Quoted By: >>46826708

>>46824188
Shouldnt have to be cost effective. Its like people forget this is one of the most profitable franchises in the world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 02:02:08 No.46826702 Report

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>>46826667
that’s how overworld enemy encounters work in literally every game I can think of that has more than a few overworld enemy encounters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 02:03:09 No.46826708 Report

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>>46826697
How do you think they became so profitable in the first place? This logic makes no sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 02:04:09 No.46826716 Report

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>>46826276
Skyrim modders can do it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 02:04:23 No.46826719 Report

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>>46825090
The question was rhetorical you moron

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 02:05:54 No.46826729 Report

Quoted By: >>46826757

>>46826574
what company is based around the concept of collecting unique monsters in their games?
They only need to do it once. They should've been working on this shit since Stadium.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 02:10:15 No.46826747 Report

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give them a grazing or foraging animation at least
and they already have interactions programmed from camp

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 02:11:57 No.46826757 Report

Quoted By: >>46826809

>>46826729
>what company is based around the concept of collecting unique monsters
What part of this implies that they would do an obscene amount of animation work that far surpasses the standard of a full price game?

The funniest part is that the people who cry for shit like this are probably the exact same people who cock suck the games that had static sprites, grid movement, and no overworld encounters at all for 10+ years.

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Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 02:12:37 No.46826761 Report

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>>46824188
GIVE THEM GUNS!

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Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 02:21:56 No.46826809 Report

Quoted By: >>46826813

>>46826757
>What part of this implies that they would do an obscene amount of animation work
There are like 4 types of Pokemon skeletons. Use the same animation. It isn't hard if they built a proper engine which they seem unable to actually do like a real game company.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 02:22:53 No.46826813 Report

Quoted By: >>46826821

>>46826809
>There are like 4 types of Pokemon skeletons
no there aren't. Every single Pokemon has a unique rig.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 02:25:17 No.46826821 Report

Quoted By: >>46826844

>>46826813
biped quadruped, serpent, other

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Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 02:29:42 No.46826844 Report

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>>46826821
they still have unique rigs. If you slapped the same animation onto all of them it would look like shit. Just look at how fucking bad those edits are where those hackers tried to put mega evoluton back into the game by using the same animations as the base pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 02:34:23 No.46826867 Report

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>>46824188
Like this:
2 games
1 region
1 regional pokedex
200 Pokemon MAX, 50 regional exclusives
BUT
Every Pokemon has 7-10 unique animations, not counting overworld animations

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 03:27:25 No.46827155 Report

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>>46825467
based retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 03:42:07 No.46827218 Report

Quoted By: >>46827231

>>46826031
>>46824205
>pokemon preying on smaller mons and fighting among eachother
>/vp/ floods with threads bitching NOOOOOOO FUCK A BUNCH OF SEVIPERS KILLED A SHINY ZANGOOSE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME GODDAMNIT

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 03:45:08 No.46827231 Report

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>>46827218
>NOOOOOOO FUCK A BUNCH OF SEVIPERS KILLED A SHINY ZANGOOSE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME GODDAMNIT
That would be kino

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 03:52:28 No.46827274 Report

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>Replying to yawnfag again
When will people learn

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Apr 2021 03:54:44 No.46827285 Report

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>>46824188
1. Make them spawn less and spawns are more varied
2. Animate them more using all animations they could perform when they bump at somehing - this will already make them more alife and random

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