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Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 21:46:39 No.46857511 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>46857557 >>46857972 >>46858406 >>46858453 >>46858505 >>46860390 >>46865317 >>46865759 >>46866086

Is any type as cucked as Ice?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 21:50:45 No.46857557 Report

Quoted By: >>46857885 >>46857982 >>46858620 >>46864132

>>46857511
No
That being said, poison has had its own cuck lately. Only 14 poison types have been created in the last three generations, and 6 of those are UBs/legendaries/regional forms.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 22:24:22 No.46857885 Report

Quoted By: >>46857982 >>46860398

>>46857557
At least Poison got Ultra Beasts and being good as a Poison type doesn’t require broken shit like free Choice Band. Eternatus is just fat Mewtwo Stat and Ability wise. Calyrex-Ice has to have a physical Lugia bulk, a massive higher than Slaking Atk, and slightly better Moxie to be considered good.

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Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 22:28:54 No.46857939 Report

Quoted By: >>46857975 >>46858465 >>46861154

whats the least cucked type?
I'd say water/ground

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 22:31:59 No.46857972 Report

Quoted By: >>46858422 >>46858467 >>46858547 >>46858563 >>46859070

>>46857511
Normal: Immune to Ghost
Ghost: Immune to Being Trapped, Fighting and Normal,
Dark: Immune to Prankster-Boosted Moves and Psychic
Fairy: Immune to Dragon, Only two weaknesses that are rare offensively
Grass: Immune to Powder Moves, has a Terrain to power up its STAB
Electric: Immune to Paralysis, has a Terrain to power up its STAB
Ice: Immune to Freeze and Hail damage
Fire: Immune to Burn, Sun powers up its STAB
Rock: Immune to Sandstorm Damage, Receives a SpD boost in Sandstorm
Ground: Immune to Sandstorm Damage and Electric
Steel: Immune to Sandstorm Damage, Poison Status, and Poison Type. Also Resists 10 other types.
Flying: Immune to all Hazards Except Stealth Rock, and Immune to Ground
Poison: Immune to Poison, 100% accurate Toxic, can absorb Toxic Spikes if grounded
Water: Rain powers up its STAB, only two weaknesses
Dragon: Resists 4 common Types
Psychic: Has a Terrain to powers up its STAB
Fighting: Overall an excellent Attacking type
Bug: ?????????????????

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 22:32:10 No.46857975 Report

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>>46857939
Whiscash dilutes its otherwise perfect record of competitive use, and it also hast seen a brand new mon in 3 gens.

That being said still a strong contender all things considered

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 22:32:52 No.46857982 Report

Quoted By: >>46860398

>>46857557
OP here. As a Poisonfag, over half of our Pokémon are from Gen 1 or are explicitly connected to Gen 1. However I still feel like Ice is more cucked.

>>46857885
Honestly Calyrex-Ice is a good Ice-type, because it does what it’s type is meant to. It’s a premier offensive threat thanks to Trick Room and Weakness Policy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:21:46 No.46858406 Report

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>>46857511
Bug.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:24:04 No.46858422 Report

Quoted By: >>46861075 >>46864006

>>46857972
Bug: The undisputed best move in the game, Uturn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:28:22 No.46858453 Report

Quoted By: >>46858476

>>46857511
Grass type is literally worse than ice type

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:29:50 No.46858465 Report

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>>46857939
Steel/Fairy. Mawile is the only shit one but had a broken mega 2/3 of the gens where it had the type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:30:01 No.46858467 Report

Quoted By: >>46863806

>>46857972
gets great moves like quiver dance or sticky web

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:31:11 No.46858476 Report

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>>46858453
No its not. Grass is fine

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Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:31:17 No.46858478 Report

Quoted By: >>46858487 >>46858525 >>46858551 >>46858686 >>46860149 >>46860223 >>46860263 >>46861096 >>46861788 >>46863079 >>46864067

GRASS TYPE IS LITERALLY THE WORST TYPE COMPETITIVELY.

How come not a single one of you retards has mentioned grass? Have you ever read a smogon analysis in your life?

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Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:32:14 No.46858487 Report

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>>46858478

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Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:34:11 No.46858505 Report

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>>46857511
no
>good offensive type
>lets just give everyone ice beam as coverage

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:35:37 No.46858522 Report

Quoted By: >>46858546

>>46858487
Rillaboom and venasaur are not good because they are grass, they would be even better if they were not grass. AND YOU KNOW IT.

You won't admit that grass as a typing is severely underpowered and needs to be buffed a bit. All "good" grass pokemon are not good because they are grass, they are good because of their abilities and are inherently hurt by their grass typing.

STAB fire kills any "good" grass pokemon, but STAB grass sometimes isn't enough to kill water tanks. See my point?

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Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:35:52 No.46858525 Report

Quoted By: >>46858546 >>46860222

>>46858478
>>46858487

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:37:53 No.46858546 Report

Quoted By: >>46858686

>>46858525
refer to >>46858522
any fire stab move literally kills any "good" grass type

meanwhile grass pokemon need to predict and put extra effort to come close to being usable.

Here is a fact:
All the "good" grass pokemon would be even better without the grass typing.
You can't name a single pokemon that is better thanks to its grass typing, not a single one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:37:58 No.46858547 Report

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>>46857972
bugs are supposed to be weak to be used early on the adventure, they evolve pretty fast and can be useful for a while, I think they do their role pretty good, also they have a couple of nice mons that are competitive

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Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:38:18 No.46858551 Report

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>>46858478
Ranking by PokeaimMD, pro smogon format player

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:39:37 No.46858563 Report

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>>46857972
Bug has STAB U-Turn, Bug Buzz (ignores Subs), and Quiver Dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:42:33 No.46858592 Report

Quoted By: >>46858602 >>46858675 >>46858686

People are not understanding at all what I am saying.

Grass is objectively the worse type because not a single pokemon is made better by being grass. All the "good" grass pokemon are good because of their abilities or utility, not because they are grass. Being grass type only hurts them.

You can't name a single grass pokemon who wouldn't benefit from dropping the grass typing. See? That's what I mean, grass is objectively the worst because grass pokemon are only weaker due to being grass and if they could ditch the typing to become stronger they would.

Even megavenasaur had to be given an ability that goes against logic because the grass typing was making him worse, so his ability counters his grass typing.

That's why I say it is objective that grass is the worst. You can't name a single pokemon that is hecking glad he is a grass type instead of something else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:43:36 No.46858602 Report

Quoted By: >>46858662

>>46858592
take your meds

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:44:59 No.46858620 Report

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>>46857557
I realized this a few days ago when I was playing a swooshie nuzlocke and realized how few poisons gen 8 introduced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:48:47 No.46858662 Report

Quoted By: >>46858686

>>46858602
I am not schizophrenic, I am being honest and explaining it as detailed as possible. A schizo doesn't know ho to explain stuff and just assumes everyone knows what they know.

Grass is bad because a pokemon is only made weaker by being grass, not stronger. You can't name a single pokemon that is poggers about being grass type, if they could ditch the typing for another typing they would.

Evidence 1: Ferrothorn, Rillaboom and Kartana are weaker by being grass, not stronger.
E2: Grass is a typing that loses to Ice, and bug (the other worse typings)
Conclusion: Grass is objectively the worst typing.

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Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:49:53 No.46858675 Report

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>>46858592
Pretty much this. Grass is one of the only types that Game Freak actively hates. It's no coincidence that the moment Calyrex becomes an actual Pokemon, it loses its Grass type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:50:57 No.46858686 Report

Quoted By: >>46858739

>>46858478
>Rillaboom
>Kartana
>Ferrothorn

>Venusaur, Amoonguss, and Tangrowth are also OU-viable
>>46858546
>any fire stab move literally kills any "good" grass type
Do you have a singlelicious satisfact to snack that up?
Because I tossed Victini at a Tangrowth and this is what happens:
>252 Atk Victini V-create vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tangrowth: 306-360 (75.7 - 89.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Tangrowth still loses, but a 180 BP STAB should be wiping out anything that's weak to it.
>>46858592
>>46858662
Kartana and Ferrothorn appreciate not being weak to Earthquake and resisting Water's bullshit more than they dislike being deleted even harder by Fire, while Rillaboom wouldn't be half as effective as it is if it wasn't for the specific tools afforded to Grass-types. The closest you can get is by making it an Adaptability Normal-type with Extreme Speed, but then you lose the ability to invalidate Earthquake for your teammates AND partially heal off recoil from your banana-slamma backup STAB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:51:19 No.46858692 Report

Quoted By: >>46860365

>>46858476
No its not
Is has so many weaknesses yet its only super effective against like 3 types
Grass needs a buff more than any other type, even ice or bug
Ice is a great offensive type but gamefreak keeps making slow defensive ice types, so that why people think its shit
Bug needs a buff tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Apr 2021 23:55:16 No.46858739 Report

Quoted By: >>46859034

>>46858686
>muh earthquake
Almost all teams have at least 1 fire type, who completely nullifies everything any grass type can do.

Earthquake is also not that big of a threat unless your team is shit or you don't know what you are doing at all.

What's funnier, many good water pokemon can beat "good" grass pokemon 1v1.
Shouldn't that be proof enough that grass is the objectively worst type when it can't beat the supposed pokemon weak to them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 00:21:21 No.46859034 Report

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>>46858739
>Almost all teams have at least 1 fire type, who completely nullifies everything any grass type can do.
The total usage for all Fire-types that appeared on more than 1% of all teams for 1695-level OU is... roughly 46%. And that assumes that every team with a Fire-type only ran that one Fire-type. Meanwhile Garchomp and Landorus-T alone account for 57% of all teams if you use that same admittedly silly metric.
>many good water pokemon can beat "good" grass pokemon 1v1.
Name one (1) (uno) (eins) Water-type in OU that wins against CB Rillaboom 1v1.
>Shouldn't that be proof enough that grass is the objectively worst type when it can't beat the supposed pokemon weak to them?
Not really? A shitton of Fighting-types learn Stone Edge and can fuck with Flying-types, but that doesn't mean that Fighting is a better type than Flying overall.

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Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 00:25:20 No.46859070 Report

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>>46857972
>Bug: best designs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 02:55:05 No.46860149 Report

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>>46858478
Grass has been getting pretty juiced up lately. Also essential to killing the disgusting water types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 03:08:32 No.46860222 Report

Quoted By: >>46860308 >>46860317

>>46858525
My boy Nidoking is relevant competitively?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 03:08:42 No.46860223 Report

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>>46858478
This is a true “post elo” moment and no one said it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 03:13:59 No.46860263 Report

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>>46858478
>the type that resists Scald and Earthquake
>bad
Learn competitive before you talk shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 03:25:51 No.46860308 Report

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>>46860222
Yeah, it's a great powerful wallbreaker with a good typing and ability and excellent movepool

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 03:28:45 No.46860317 Report

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>>46860222
Sheer Force+Life Orb is insanely good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 03:41:12 No.46860365 Report

Quoted By: >>46860373 >>46860385

>>46858692
Grass at last has good dual types and their offensive options aren't shallow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 03:42:58 No.46860373 Report

Quoted By: >>46860385

>>46860365
and yeah they still need to be thrown a ton of sit to be competitive but at least they get it versus Ice. Hail is still shitty as ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 03:45:29 No.46860385 Report

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>>46860365
>>46860373
I'd place both on the lower end but Grass overall is just more loved then Ice,Bug,Poison,Normal, Electric, Rock, Psychic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 03:45:59 No.46860390 Report

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>>46857511
>has such a garbage defensive capabilities and synergy that any other type that's paired with Ice is WORSE because of it
>offensive niche of fucking over dragons was cucked over by Fairy
>And even if you did want to use an Ice-type move just use a water-type that learns it since
>more often than not, Ice-type Pokemon are slow and/or defensive which does the type no favors
>of the all the weather conditions, Hail is the worst one
>freeze is RNG shit
yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 03:47:26 No.46860398 Report

Quoted By:

>>46857885
>>46857982
I mean, I did still agree that no type was as cucked as ice. Just thought poison was a good #2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 06:43:28 No.46861075 Report

Quoted By: >>46861156

>>46858422
Which is also distributed to mons of every other type, making it not even a Bug thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 06:48:34 No.46861096 Report

Quoted By: >>46861134 >>46861619

>>46858478
This.
Grass isn't good. Rillaboom, Ferrothorn, Amoonguss, Kartana, Whimsicott, and Venusaur are good.
Them being Grass is secondary to what makes them good. You could argue that they wouldn't have gotten things like Spore and Grassy Glide and shit if they weren't Grass type, but most Grass types don't even get those things.

That said, Bug is still way worse. Fewer weaknesses doesn't make up for one of those weaknesses being Rock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 06:57:59 No.46861134 Report

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>>46861096
Yeah man, if I could use normal type Ferrothorn I totally would. Beating water types, ground types, and electric types is just completely worthless because those types are so bad. Grass literally has no upsides except for the upsides that it does have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 07:05:03 No.46861154 Report

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>>46857939
Bug/Steel

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 07:05:29 No.46861156 Report

Quoted By: >>46862143

>>46861075
STAB U-turn, sticky web, bug buss, QD, and megahorn are fantastic moves that many mons would kill for. The problem with bug types are that their base stats are lower on average, and the secondary types of many psycic, dark, and grass pokemon means they have limited supereffective attacks. Their movesets and designs are great otherwise, and they don't need some secondary gimmick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 09:25:31 No.46861619 Report

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>>46861096
I love how you and the other schizo think you can spew such obvious bullshit and not make it blatantly obvious you never played Pokemon competitively in your life. Sorry this isnt /pol/ where people will believe literally anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 10:20:02 No.46861788 Report

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>>46858478
Grass has key resists in water, ground, and electric. Can hit bulky water for SE. Has access to utility moves, and is immune to spore moves.

Nah, grass is good. Bug is much much worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 12:01:25 No.46862143 Report

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>>46861156
U-Turn's damage barely even matters.
It's all about muh mentum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 15:52:30 No.46863079 Report

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>>46858478
>Have you ever read a smogon analysis in your life?
Imagine being proud of this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 18:09:49 No.46863806 Report

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>>46858467
What about the ones who don't get them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 18:18:42 No.46863861 Report

Quoted By: >>46863976 >>46864025

>G-Darumaka
>G-Darmanitan
>Eiscue
>Snom
>Frosmoth
>G-Mr Mime
>Mr Rime
>Arctovish
>Arctozolt
>Glactrier
>Clayrex + Glactrier

That’s 11 though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 18:38:27 No.46863976 Report

Quoted By: >>46864004

>>46863861
If you count Ice rider then you must also add the Darmanitan Zen and the other Eiscue. Either all the froms or none and it's 7.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 18:43:17 No.46864004 Report

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>>46863976

I think it’s only fair to have Calyrex because he wasn’t ice already

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 18:43:23 No.46864006 Report

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>>46858422
what is volt switch, flip turn, parting shot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 18:46:25 No.46864025 Report

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>>46863861
The trivia might not have been updated for Crown Tundra.

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Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 18:53:29 No.46864067 Report

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>>46858478
>Have you ever read a smogon analysis in your life?
No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 19:09:18 No.46864132 Report

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>>46857557
It literally just got a shillmon (Toxtricity) and main legendary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 21:50:39 No.46865317 Report

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>>46857511
Ice should be very effective against water and immune to it.
Water needs a real counter anyway. Grass and electricity are too shit to do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 22:45:04 No.46865759 Report

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>>46857511
Bug is more cucked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Apr 2021 23:26:22 No.46866086 Report

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>>46857511
I dunno, what type are you?

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