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Gen 8 OU VR Update

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 14:21:43 No.46885013 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>46885468 >>46885543 >>46886476 >>46887050 >>46892300 >>46892504

OU rankings finally got updated again:

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-ou-dlc2-viability-ranking-thread-read-post-723.3674058/page-29#post-8814850

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-ou-dlc2-viability-ranking-thread-read-post-723.3674058/page-30#post-8828428

Rises: Corviknight, Dragapult, Slowking, Kartana, Tapu Lele, Zeraora, Dragonite, Melmetal, Scizor, Skarmory, Magnezone, Volcarona, Weavile, Urshifu-Rapid-Strike, Rotom-Wash, Buzzwole, Blacephalon, Primarina, Arctozolt, Cloyster and Bisharp

Drops: Zapdos, Slowbro, Blissey, Excadrill, Slowking-Galar, Tyranitar, Latios, Amoonguss, Kommo-o, Moltres, Moltres-Galar, Zarude, Regieleki, Kingdra, Hatterene, Nidoqueen, Celesteela, Shuckle, Grimmsnarl, Incineroar, Mimikyu, Thundurus and Weezing-Galar

Unranks: Krookodile, Necrozma and Stakataka

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 15:45:27 No.46885468 Report

Quoted By: >>46886361

>>46885013
Dracozolt should rise, it's really hard to deal with when it's running the good Leftovers set

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 15:58:39 No.46885543 Report

Quoted By:

>>46885013
Every thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYk11hS_qM4

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 17:44:50 No.46886361 Report

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>>46885468
Yeah but I guess people think sand sucks now. I don't think you even necessarily need Excadrill or Ttar for a good sand team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 17:58:11 No.46886476 Report

Quoted By: >>46886903 >>46888342

>>46885013
Nobody gives a shit. Just stop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 18:51:32 No.46886903 Report

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>>46886476
Ok

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 19:05:07 No.46887007 Report

Quoted By: >>46887204

>Slowking took almost two fucking decades to make top OU
Slow and steady wins the race

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 19:10:50 No.46887050 Report

Quoted By: >>46898616

>>46885013
>Stakataka now unranked
>reasons given: fuck you lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 19:36:25 No.46887204 Report

Quoted By: >>46887238

>>46887007
More like broken Regenerator and Teleport wins the race

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 19:42:04 No.46887238 Report

Quoted By: >>46887311 >>46891880

>>46887204
Is regenerator really that good vs the monstruous Blissey bulk?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 19:53:12 No.46887306 Report

Quoted By: >>46887318 >>46887763 >>46888120 >>46888369 >>46888490

I don't care enough to get reqs, what are the odds that ShieldDog is here to stay?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 19:53:54 No.46887311 Report

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>>46887238
yes, because it lets you switch things in for free. you almost never even need to use slack off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 19:55:27 No.46887318 Report

Quoted By:

>>46887306
I think it's going to be a pretty close vote either way. I wouldn't pay too much attention to the posts in the thread because a lot of them are made by shitters who haven't even gotten reqs yet. It seems some of the better players like John W, Ox the Fox etc. seem hesitant to unban it. But then again you also have people like Finch claiming it's fine because X or Y Pokemon walls it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 21:21:08 No.46887763 Report

Quoted By: >>46887970

>>46887306
My policy is to only participate in suspects where something is broken. I tried to make teams to abuse Zama-C and failed once the meta adapted to it. Basically the only window to show it was broken was that first day before people were aware it was available.
If Zama-C fails the vote now it can get suspected later down the line. It only gets worse as the dex expands.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 21:57:13 No.46887970 Report

Quoted By: >>46888285

>>46887763
Zama doesn't improve the meta, it just makes it even more obnoxious

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 22:31:42 No.46888120 Report

Quoted By: >>46888131 >>46890422

>>46887306
>Pokemon supports ClefPex
>Smogon approved influencer wants it unbanned for clickbait

Of course it's going to be unbanned

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 22:33:08 No.46888131 Report

Quoted By: >>46888218

>>46888120
yawnfag i don't care about your posts or opinions

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 22:50:51 No.46888218 Report

Quoted By: >>46888226

>>46888131
>thinks that objective facts and repeated, proven sources of bias can be shrugged off as "opinions"
>instantly blames said facts on an imaginary boogeyman so he doesnt have to think about them

Classic Smogon cult post. Take your meds

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 22:52:12 No.46888226 Report

Quoted By: >>46888229

>>46888218
Shut the fuck up Yawnfag.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 22:53:44 No.46888229 Report

Quoted By: >>46888236

>>46888226

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 22:54:58 No.46888236 Report

Quoted By: >>46888258

>>46888229
Yeah yeah, whatever yawnfag. You use the same terminology all the time so it's easy to tell it's you.
Now go and run along and stew in your butthurt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 22:59:08 No.46888258 Report

Quoted By: >>46888308

>>46888236
>seeing patterns where there isn't any
>making up imaginary boogeymen where none exist
>falsely believing in one ideology (that doesn't benefit you in the slightest) while making up as many excuses to close your mind to alternatives and defend it as possible

Classic schizo traits. Less post makey, more meds takey!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 23:04:50 No.46888285 Report

Quoted By: >>46888306 >>46894601

>>46887970
>Zama doesn't improve the meta
Completely subjective attitude that I disagree with. More Pokemon is always better, and the meta is what it is based on what's fully available.
If you want to play different metas, there's tons of choices and even past gens to play what you like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 23:08:55 No.46888306 Report

Quoted By: >>46888598

>>46888285
That's like saying the meta for OU would be better if they let you use fucking Zacian
You are genuinely a retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 23:09:15 No.46888308 Report

Quoted By: >>46888390 >>46889286

>>46888258
Yawnfag haters have become even more autistic than yawnfag wtf

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 23:14:56 No.46888342 Report

Quoted By:

>>46886476
You cared enough to reply.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 23:18:47 No.46888369 Report

Quoted By:

>>46887306
0%. Only shitters unable to get reqs think it should be legal at this point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 23:21:44 No.46888390 Report

Quoted By:

>>46888308
yawn

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 23:38:21 No.46888490 Report

Quoted By:

>>46887306
Zama is 100% getting banned. Finch, Ausma and the aforementioned shitters without reqs vs basically everyone else. I expect a 65% ban vote

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 23:58:10 No.46888598 Report

Quoted By: >>46888605

>>46888306
>That's like saying the meta for OU would be better if they let you use fucking Zacian
dumb mouthbreather

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Apr 2021 23:59:53 No.46888605 Report

Quoted By: >>46889130

>>46888598
>"More Pokemon is always better"
This is objectively incorrect in regards to a meta
Even Game Freak is aware of this you fucking retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 01:22:57 No.46889130 Report

Quoted By: >>46889331

>>46888605
>Even Game Freak is aware of this you fucking retard
Too bad Gay Freak couldn't keep to their word and introduce most of them back not even a year into the game's life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 01:45:23 No.46889286 Report

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>>46888308
Are we reading the same thread?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 01:51:20 No.46889315 Report

Quoted By: >>46892702 >>46900234

OP updated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 01:53:50 No.46889331 Report

Quoted By: >>46891645

>>46889130
I was more referring to how they blanket-ban all high-end legendaries and mythicals while smogon doesn't because they know they're meant to be intentionally stronger than everything else, but the dex cut is also another case of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 04:39:48 No.46890422 Report

Quoted By: >>46890594

>>46888120
Who is the "smogon approved influencer" I keep seeing you post about? Is it Finchinator? The dude with barely 6k youtube subscribers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 05:20:57 No.46890594 Report

Quoted By:

>>46890422
Pretty sure he's talking about PokeaimMD or Blunder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 09:42:49 No.46891645 Report

Quoted By: >>46893286 >>46893395

>>46889331
But in practice, mythicals usually aren't more powerful than everything else, and sometimes even high-end legendaries aren't.
Why does Phione deserve a ban?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 10:53:21 No.46891880 Report

Quoted By:

>>46887238
Yes. Absolutely.
Getting a free heal by switching out is one of the most busted things in the game.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 11:57:33 No.46892087 Report

Quoted By: >>46892117 >>46892311 >>46893329

DAILY REMINDER

>Smogon has banned the moody ability even though it doesn't boost evasion anymore, because it threatens stall. Despite this, Smogon has refused to ban Scald,a far more uncompetitive and RNG-based move, because it supports stall

>Smogon's one suspect test to UNBAN a Pokemon is because it supports stall, and because a Smoggie "influencer" wants it to be unbanned so they could make clickbait videos

>The smogon council is biased and bans offensive pokemon like darmanitan, cinderace, dugtrio and dracovish, while stallmons like ferrothorn, who see much more usage in ubers, are kept

>In generation 7 the ou council assured that landorus therian would not be banned even if it reached more than 95% usage

>Dynamax is not broken and smogonalgas banned it because stall could not adapt to it

>Smogon has not removed sand veil and swagger bans despite Gamefreak nerfing them in generation 6
>Evasion is not overpowered and can easily be countered by taunt, haze, roar, or moves like swift

>Heavy duty boots has been the most anti stall item in singles that the franchise has ever introduced, since it prevents damage from the most common status move used by stall. Of cousre a lot of smogontards are in a favor of banning it

>The move Baton Pass was banned from all smogon metagames because stall was completely unviable against baton pass supported sweepers

>Something not many people know is that the elo system in pokemon showdown doesn't mainly depend on you're winning ratio, but on the ammount of turns you're won battles take. So higher elo rated players are not better, just play longer battles, aka stall

>The VGC bans being based on the top 10 pokemon is something much more objective than the council quickbans decided by 5 normies or their elitistic suspects, were only a small minority of high elo players can vote. That's why a lot of things like dynamax had +90% pro ban vote, only stall users could vote.

FUCK SMOGON

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 12:07:35 No.46892117 Report

Quoted By:

>>46892087
Formerly Chuck's

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 13:04:46 No.46892300 Report

Quoted By:

>>46885013
Mimiku should be unranked, it's a bad noob bait Pokemon that accomplishes nothing and isn't even good in Trick Room.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 13:07:45 No.46892311 Report

Quoted By: >>46893355

>>46892087
>>Dynamax is not broken
stopped reading right there, your mom should have aborted you instead of drinking heavily during her pregnancy

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 13:11:45 No.46892321 Report

Quoted By:

hey guys I've never played OU can you drop a fun team for me to try on the ladder thanks

anonymous

anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 13:52:46 No.46892504 Report

Quoted By: >>46893110 >>46893327 >>46895749

>>46885013
who cares? galar is the WORST meta.
> new mons look ugly and are stupid
> many are broken like dragonfish
> niggermax is the most busted thing in the game
> everything is cut. mons are cut. megas are cut. z-moves are cut.
> there is no room for creativity or variety in the meta. unlike other gens.
just play UltraSun OU no legendaries. that's the best metagame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 14:28:42 No.46892702 Report

Quoted By: >>46896325

>>46889315
based lando taking no survivors

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 15:43:38 No.46893110 Report

Quoted By:

>>46892504
>just play UltraSun OU no legendaries. that's the best metagame.
how

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 16:10:19 No.46893286 Report

Quoted By:

>>46891645
Because it also keeps you from using trash that'd just clog up the team. Phione is already a glorified trophy. If you really want to use it, do contests or just run around in-game or something.

Or fight people in the fucking free battle mode off of ranked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 16:14:43 No.46893327 Report

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>>46892504
>new mons look ugly and are stupid
This has nothing to do with the meta and is also just fucking wrong; Galar has a really tight roster with tons of cool new additions in it. Even the ones I don't like I think are just 'ok' with just a few exceptions.

Everything else you said is objectively factually correct, however. Gen 7 had a better meta than this shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 16:15:00 No.46893329 Report

Quoted By: >>46893385

>>46892087
>Complaining about Dracovish being banned
Nigger why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 16:18:19 No.46893355 Report

Quoted By: >>46893383

>>46892311
not that anon but you pick the ONE statement he made that was retarded and didn't address any of his other points. retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 16:21:48 No.46893383 Report

Quoted By: >>46893437

>>46893355
>Heavy Duty Boots being anti stall
If anything they help stall lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 16:22:18 No.46893385 Report

Quoted By:

>>46893329
he's a dracotard, ignore him

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 16:23:15 No.46893395 Report

Quoted By:

>>46891645
>But in practice, mythicals usually aren't more powerful than everything else, and sometimes even high-end legendaries aren't.
This is just fucking wrong, anon.
The vast majority of Mythicals and Legendries are total bullshit to deal with for one reason or another. As shown by smogon, if they were allowed they'd be on damn near every team, because in OU they ARE on damn near every team. Many Mythicals are considered obnoxious enough to get booted out of OU, even. Ubers was created to house the big boys for a reason. Even the ones in OU that aren't 'quite' overpowered enough to kick can be extremely obnoxious to deal with and are objectively miles more powerful than other stuff ("I hope you like Flinches" Jirachi and Manaphy with free full restores and Tail Glow are just two examples).

I sometimes play BSS just to get a break from OU, and I used to just play it over OU until Gen 8 fucked up it's own meta so bad that I just quit it altogether for a month now.

I do not miss Magearna's horseshit, your little baby joke-mon is a small price to pay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 16:27:57 No.46893437 Report

Quoted By: >>46893506

>>46893383
they do help stall because they can wear down regen cores, you're right.
but the rest of his points outside of hbd being pro-stall and dynamax not being broken seem pretty legit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 16:38:45 No.46893506 Report

Quoted By: >>46893550 >>46896346

>>46893437
he flat out lies about the fucking elo system (check the source code), also
>Evasion is not overpowered
yeah, no, he's a major league retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 16:45:52 No.46893550 Report

Quoted By: >>46894664

>>46893506
going by his logic if we're legalizing evasion we would also be legalizing dynamax, dynamax moves cant miss so evasion would be balanced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 19:18:27 No.46894601 Report

Quoted By:

>>46888285
>calls something a subjective attitude pejoratively
>presents a subjective attitude
good job retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 19:26:32 No.46894664 Report

Quoted By: >>46895285

>>46893550
Legalizing Dynamax to deal with evasion is like burning your house down to deal with an ant infestation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 20:35:05 No.46895285 Report

Quoted By:

>>46894664
fucking bars dude...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 21:29:51 No.46895749 Report

Quoted By: >>46896831

>>46892504
You almost had a point if you didn't suggest something as stupid as no legendaries

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 22:46:26 No.46896325 Report

Quoted By: >>46896394

>>46892702
Lando desperately needs to be banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 22:49:33 No.46896346 Report

Quoted By: >>46896809 >>46898969

>>46893506
Evasion is not really overpowered, there are just literally no good reasons to have it legal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 22:55:30 No.46896394 Report

Quoted By: >>46897522 >>46898253

>>46896325
There isn't a single more damning litmus test on being a bad shitter than thinking Landorus-T is banworthy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 23:55:53 No.46896809 Report

Quoted By:

>>46896346
You're right but at the same time I have started to view competitive pokemon as a joke in the last month. It's an rng mess already, what's the deal with one more?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Apr 2021 23:58:29 No.46896831 Report

Quoted By:

>>46895749
>something as stupid as no legendaries
seething

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Apr 2021 01:50:12 No.46897522 Report

Quoted By:

>>46896394
It has consistently been the #1 mon since it was first created 9 years ago.
It's blatantly broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Apr 2021 03:49:16 No.46898253 Report

Quoted By:

>>46896394
You mean thinking it isn't banworthy.
Only bootlicking Smoggie cultists think it's fine.
Shit, it's been borderline banworthy in VGC, but VGC doesn't ban things.
Smogon does and should have banned Lando-T if they really cared about balance as much as they claim to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Apr 2021 04:48:07 No.46898616 Report

Quoted By:

>>46887050
Fuck you lol was the reason it was ranked in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Apr 2021 05:58:59 No.46898969 Report

Quoted By: >>46899799

>>46896346
>there are just literally no good reasons to have it legal.

Is there any good reasons for Machamp to be legal? Dynamicpunch is pretty stupid.
Is there any good reasons for Entei to be legal? 50% burns is pretty stupid.
Is there any good reason for Togekiss to be legal? 60% flinch is pretty stupid.
>etc

If something isn't OP, don't ban it. There isn't any reason for Evasion to be banned- it's a weak, unreliable strategy that's outclassed and easily countered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Apr 2021 09:21:36 No.46899799 Report

Quoted By:

>>46898969
It's just a massive pain in the ass to deal with and nobody wants to.
The fact that it's weak and unreliable means that it appears on very few teams and it's not worth specifically preparing for because it would just make you worse against all other teams.
And then when you do run into an evasion fag, you get screwed over (or maybe not, since it's random).
Machamp getting guaranteed confusion sucks, but you can just switch out.
Entei getting 50% burns sucks, but you can just wall it with a fire type or a non-physical attacker (which should be on most teams)
Togekiss getting 60% flinches sucks, and Serene Grace should be banned because it's absolute cancer.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 22 Apr 2021 11:23:48 No.46900234 Report

Quoted By:

>>46889315
>Lando still on top after nine (9) years

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