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Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 04:29:18 No.46931886 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>46932105 >>46932735

*btfo your “broken” sword dog*

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 05:12:52 No.46932105 Report

Quoted By: >>46932108

>>46931886
>Weather Trio are in Ubers
>Zacian is in AG
k

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 05:13:20 No.46932108 Report

Quoted By: >>46932653 >>46932735

>>46932105
>fanficshit
k

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 06:14:05 No.46932653 Report

Quoted By: >>46932665

>>46932108
>Zacian is faster and gets an automatic boost to KO the trio
>f-fanficshit
k

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 06:15:09 No.46932665 Report

Quoted By: >>46932695 >>46932735

>>46932653
>zacian can't set weather or attack two targets at once or dynamax
>m-muh fanficshit is relevant guys
k

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 06:19:25 No.46932695 Report

Quoted By: >>46936965

>>46932665
>A single wild charge can KO Kyogre
>Groudon needs investments in HP and Def to survive a +1 boost.
>Swords dance
>90 base speed vs 148
k

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 06:21:37 No.46932711 Report

Quoted By: >>46932732 >>46932743 >>46932806 >>46933266 >>46934085

I feel like if the Primals came back, Primal-Groudon would be the premier counter to Zacian-C

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 06:23:34 No.46932732 Report

Quoted By: >>46932804

>>46932711
It would. And it would make Heat Crash viable, STAB and Sun boosted + 3rd heaviest mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 06:24:02 No.46932735 Report

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>>46931886
>>46932108
>>46932665
? post elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 06:25:07 No.46932743 Report

Quoted By: >>46932804

>>46932711
No shit Sherlock.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 06:30:35 No.46932791 Report

Quoted By: >>46932824

Sorry Sworddoggo. We're closed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 06:32:20 No.46932804 Report

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>>46932743
>>46932732
Also having 160 Def, resistances to both of it’s STABs, immune to Wild Charge and takes barely any damage from CC, Crunch or Psychic Fangs.

>+1 252+ Atk Zacian-Crowned Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 56+ Def Groudon-Primal: 153-181 (37.8 - 44.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

>0 Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned: 386-456 (118.4 - 139.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 06:32:28 No.46932806 Report

Quoted By: >>46932833 >>46932891

>>46932711
>+3 252+ Atk Zacian-Crowned Dig vs. 252 HP / 56+ Def Groudon-Primal: 340-400 (84.1 - 99%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 06:34:53 No.46932824 Report

Quoted By: >>46938917

>>46932791
>No instant recovery
>Gets mogged by any special attacker complementing Zacian
>252+ Atk Zacian-Crowned Behemoth Blade vs. 252 HP / 112+ Def Landorus-Therian: 195-229 (51 - 59.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

lol

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Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 06:36:01 No.46932833 Report

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>>46932806
>3+ Atk
>Dig

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 06:42:56 No.46932891 Report

Quoted By: >>46933022 >>46933220

>>46932806
>Groudon hung on with Focus Sash!
>Groudon used Counter!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 07:01:41 No.46933022 Report

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>>46932891
Why? Zacian just accomplished giving Groudon a 200 BP Earthquake

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 07:43:02 No.46933220 Report

Quoted By:

>>46932891
>Groudon-Primal
>focus sash
>sash on a Groudon
Lmfao

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 07:50:47 No.46933266 Report

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>>46932711
Yes but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't like switching into a CC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 10:39:49 No.46934085 Report

Quoted By: >>46934114 >>46934132 >>46934170 >>46941553

>>46932711
P-Don is arguably more busted than Zacian-C.
Arguably.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 10:49:25 No.46934114 Report

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>>46934085
P-Don actually has counters, the same can't really be said about Zacian

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 10:54:21 No.46934132 Report

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>>46934085
Ehh no. Although P-Groudon has a good ability to nulify it's water weakness it is still vulnerable to most attack on the special side. Zacian has a decent bulk and it's typing has a tons of resistances and 2 good immunities. Zacian just by switching in has the power to almost obliterate everything it's path and has amazing speed. P-Groudon is very strong but Zacian does a better job than it.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 11:07:45 No.46934170 Report

Quoted By: >>46934179 >>46934348

>>46934085
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 11:09:35 No.46934179 Report

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>>46934170
I thought Eternatus and Calyrex were around those tiers. What happened?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 11:47:21 No.46934348 Report

Quoted By: >>46934367

>>46934170
Can Primals Dynamax in NDAG?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 11:52:52 No.46934367 Report

Quoted By: >>46934431

>>46934348
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 12:09:01 No.46934431 Report

Quoted By: >>46934450

>>46934367
Well there's the problem.
Zacian was "balanced" around not being able to Dynamax. And it makes sense in lore because it and Zamazenta fought against Eternatus, the source of Dynamax. And Eternatus can't Dynamax because it's the source of Dynamax energy. It's like plugging a power strip into itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 12:16:05 No.46934450 Report

Quoted By: >>46934477

>>46934431
But Calyrex fought Eternatus too no?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 12:22:48 No.46934477 Report

Quoted By: >>46934482

>>46934450
Calyrex's Dynamax is blue because his Dynamax power doesn't come from Eternatus, but from the admiration of his subjects or something gay like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 12:24:17 No.46934482 Report

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>>46934477
>but from the admiration of his subjects or something gay like that.
Now come on. That's actually a cool concept

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 17:50:45 No.46936965 Report

Quoted By: >>46938256

>>46932695
>rage powder
>follow me
low elo scum

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 19:59:43 No.46938256 Report

Quoted By: >>46938532

>>46936965
>rage powder
>follow me
>He’s thinking of doubles when singles was talked about.
Retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 20:29:58 No.46938532 Report

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>>46938256
if you played the game you’d know the thread is for doubles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Apr 2021 21:11:39 No.46938917 Report

Quoted By:

>>46932824
>Pivots to Incineroar
>Pivots to back Landorus

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Apr 2021 00:07:02 No.46940450 Report

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What changed to make weather so good all of a sudden?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Apr 2021 00:07:05 No.46940451 Report

Quoted By: >>46940456 >>46940457 >>46941075

Would Zacian be less cancerous if it only had around 85 Speed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Apr 2021 00:08:05 No.46940456 Report

Quoted By: >>46940466

>>46940451
>would x be worse if it was worse?
Yes, though the question is where yoy’re dumping those extra BST points.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Apr 2021 00:08:11 No.46940457 Report

Quoted By: >>46940815

>>46940451
>Would Zacian be less cancerous if it only had around 85 Speed?
Absolutely

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Apr 2021 00:09:26 No.46940466 Report

Quoted By: >>46940815

>>46940456
Split and added to its Special Defense and Defense

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Apr 2021 00:58:47 No.46940815 Report

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>>46940466
>>46940457
Probably less cancer but still cancer. It gets something like 92/150/150 with that obnoxious defensive typing, and can very easily set Agility with or without Swords Dance as well for sweeping against anything that doesn’t burn. Probably just becomes more of an insane bulky wallbreaker than a straight up insane sweeper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Apr 2021 01:34:20 No.46941075 Report

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>>46940451
Depends.
Are those extra points going into its Special Attack? Then yes, it'd be far less cancerous.
Are those extra points going into its bulk or, god forbid, its Attack?
It potentially becomes even more cancerous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Apr 2021 02:38:34 No.46941553 Report

Quoted By: >>46942695

>>46934085
P-Don was amazing, but because it was capable of checking the busted Geomancy Xerneas, Kyogre, and Necrozma-DM, on top of having several different sets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Apr 2021 06:31:27 No.46942695 Report

Quoted By: >>46943201

>>46941553
And it can also check Zacian-C.
Does being able to check 4 busted threads make it busted itself?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Apr 2021 08:28:29 No.46943201 Report

Quoted By: >>46944323

>>46942695
If you're running a defensive P-Groudon yeah, if you switch into a Zacian-C with CC it's almost guaranteed to die in the next one

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Apr 2021 12:40:43 No.46944323 Report

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>>46943201
It just checks. Not counters.

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