>>47011957>Kyurem and Zamazenta were ever considered for OUBlack Kyurem had no set up moves or usable ice moves and actually became Ubers as soon as it got those things
Also, Zamazenta never belonged in Ubers and isn't even good in OU, the suspect test proved this. The only reason it's in Ubers now is because it was just bulky enough to be good against Hyper Offense and only Hyper Offense.
>Dracovish, Garmanitan or even a fucking starter like Cinderace are banworthyDracovish and Darmanitan are literally win buttons that require no set up to decimate everything in the game except for like 5 things in the entire game and even then nothing can actually switch in to them.
Meanwhile Cinderace was so disgustingly optimized for competitive that it made OU unplayable and invalidated every other Pokemon by its mere existence: Libero gives itSTAB on everything. It has a God-tier movepool; Flare Blitz without recoil or contact, U-turn, Sucker Punch, Bulk up, and Court Change to directly counter Stealth Rock, the most overcentralizing move in the game. It even has the perfect stat spread that lets it hit hard, take hits, outspeed everything that matters, and has just enough special attack to make Work Up sets usable. It's a Swiss Army Nuke that should have never been created.
When are people going to understand that tiers should be based on Pokémon viability instead of arbitrary labels like "legendary".
