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Why Does Game Freak Create Pokemon Just To Shit On Them?

Anonymous Mon 10 May 2021 23:20:58 No.47068604 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>47069970 >>47070037 >>47070046 >>47070060 >>47070094 >>47070106 >>47070109 >>47070858 >>47070899 >>47071301 >>47071744 >>47072718 >>47078677 >>47087783 >>47090074

Johto got the worse of it, but this problem occurs in all gens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 May 2021 23:36:39 No.47068741 Report

Quoted By: >>47070543 >>47071851 >>47073259 >>47077106 >>47079804 >>47080461

they're children's games where you can win by just mashing the a button. The whole point of the pokemon is to catch them because they look cool or cute, like they're toys.
Gamefreak never expected that autists would actually try to turn this into a competitive sport where the pokemons' stats actually mattered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 02:21:33 No.47069970 Report

Quoted By: >>47069990

>>47068604
Because they are children game, and you have been so pidgeonhold by your manchild perspective of what a Pokemon game should be that you completely miss the point of why some Pokemon are like this and aren't "competitively viable".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 02:23:31 No.47069985 Report

Quoted By: >>47070794

The speed isn't terrible, plus maybe that pokemon can learn some rare move by levelling up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 02:23:59 No.47069990 Report

Quoted By: >>47070448

>>47069970
Different anon. Deliberd isn't viable PERIOD.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 02:30:05 No.47070037 Report

Quoted By: >>47070284 >>47071259

>>47068604
>Do not ever use this Pokemon with the intent of winning games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 02:30:55 No.47070046 Report

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>>47068604
Tbf I think GF has partly learned from this. The worst offenders (sub-400 BST) are all in gens 1-3.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 02:32:44 No.47070060 Report

Quoted By: >>47070079 >>47070794

>>47068604
>Both Insomnia AND Vital Spirit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 02:34:43 No.47070079 Report

Quoted By: >>47070794 >>47070905 >>47070935

>>47070060
>what is the meme of Santa Claus staying up all night to give presents to children?
I'd hate to see a kid's game designed by you no-fun-allowed fuckers.

Anon 2

Anon 2 Tue 11 May 2021 02:36:59 No.47070094 Report

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>>47068604
It's almost like Pokemon's biggest issues as of this date is these types of Pokemon not being placed in earlier sections of the game to balance their stats

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 02:38:39 No.47070106 Report

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>>47068604
Some pokemon are made to represent concepts or be jokes based on their real life counterparts, like Dunsparce, he’s Tsuchinoko, so they’re rare that all

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 02:38:52 No.47070109 Report

Quoted By: >>47070284 >>47070557

>>47068604
>occurs in all gens.
It has significantly stopped since Gen 4. Of course we got shit like Bruxish and mostly recently, Cramorant, but nothing like Luvdisc, Delcatty nor Chatot.

Gen 2 got a huge amount of these mons because of the "these were rare species only recently found" lore. Also, it was believed that Gen 2 would be the last Pokemon games, reason why they fixed a lot of mons in DP.

Megas also helped yet there are still Gen 1-4 pokemon that desperately needs buffs

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 02:59:21 No.47070284 Report

Quoted By: >>47070580

>>47070109
That makes since to a point, however >>47070037 said the magic phrase so here it comes. Why the fuck are Typhlosion and Meganium so godawful Typhlosion doesn’t have a movepool (A movepool requires multiple moves, Typhlosion only has one). Meanwhile Meganium seems like an experiment to make the worst Pokémon in history.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 03:24:40 No.47070448 Report

Quoted By: >>47070664 >>47070669 >>47075477

>>47069990
The point is that no one in Gen I or Gen II or even most of Gen III gave a fucking shit about "competitive Pokemon", so why would the game designers care about making a Pokemon "competitively viable"? The point is that its a cute gimmick Pokemon to collect.

After all, as far as the gameplay is concerned, Pokemon is so easy that if you decided to solo with Delibird. You could. So whats the problem again?

Thats what I mean when I say pidgeonhole, its a complaint that slowly makes zero sense as a criticism of the Gen 2 games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 03:42:19 No.47070543 Report

Quoted By: >>47070669 >>47070817 >>47070847

>>47068741
There were tournaments in Gen 1 you tard. Delibird is a Gen 2 Pokemon, so it came out after the first Pokemon tournaments were held.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 03:44:42 No.47070557 Report

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>>47070109
They've fixed literally no Pokemon in Gen 4. They didn't start doing this, until Gen 6, with stat changes (no, Megas do not count)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 03:46:31 No.47070570 Report

Quoted By: >>47070586

Pokemon is first and foremost an RPG series so it is expected for specific monsters to be weaker and worse off than other ones. This is generally prevalent in most monster catching games and not just Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 03:48:29 No.47070580 Report

Quoted By: >>47070588 >>47070638

>>47070284
They weren't upgraded well enough to keep up with the times. Megas could've been an answer at the time, they really need extra typing(s) & better abilities.

Maybe some future gimmick will redeem them. Even Feraligatr was seen as a poor man's Gyarados

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 03:51:06 No.47070586 Report

Quoted By: >>47070605

>>47070570
>it is expected for specific monsters to be weaker and worse off than other ones
You mean like early route rats and throwaway dark type mammals?

People expect a little more from Pokemon they usually carry for the entire journey or have sentimental value to due to being a starter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 03:52:23 No.47070588 Report

Quoted By: >>47070638

>>47070580
>Maybe some future gimmick will redeem them.
No gimmicks. Fuck off with that bullshit. Just make their base forms better
>but they need more than a 20+ stat buff
Give them more than that, then
>That can only be achieved via a gimmick
Not necessarily. All it takes is editing some text files slightly

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 03:56:54 No.47070605 Report

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>>47070586
Starters I can understand, but there needs to be weaker and lesser mons scattered throughout to really show off the ones that are strong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 04:03:46 No.47070638 Report

Quoted By: >>47071211 >>47073181

>>47070580
>>47070588
They don’t even need to be OU, just make them viable. The real issue is their movepools

Here are some buff suggestions I have for The Johto three. I’ve posted it here few times but most of those other threads disolved into starter war bullshit.

>Ability Changes
Meganium (Leaf Guard is buffed so that it protects allies as well, or change its ability to Flower Veil or Triage)

>Stat Changes (so that they all have 535 BST)
Meganium: +10 HP
Typhlosion: +1 Spe
Feraligatr: +5 Atk

>Movepool Additions
>Meganium
Stun Spore
Sleep Powder
Rage Powder
Helping Hand
Strength Sap
Calm Mind
Growth
Pollen Puff
Body Press
Dragon Pulse
Weather Ball
Rock Slide
Terrain Pulse
Life Dew
Breaking Swipe
Flower Shield
Earth Power

>Typhlosion
Earth Power
Scorching Sands
Hyper Voice and/or Boomburst
Ancient Power
Stealth Rock
Morning Sun
Mystical Fire
Bulk Up
Hone Claws
Swords Dance
Nasty Plot
Agility
Extreme Speed
Snarl
Parting Shot
Scald (More Fire types apparently get it in Gen VIII Though honestly, isn't necessary if it got the other buffs listed)
Electro-Ball (A complete stretch but it already gets Rollout and Gyro Ball, at least give a Ball move that it can actually use).

>Feraligatr
Flip Turn
Close Combat
Psychic Fangs
Scale Shot
Breaking Swipe
Thunder Fang (it'd be nice to BTFO out of Gyarados. Also if that can get Power Whip, Feraligatr should get something. Plus Alligator Clamps are a thing)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 04:09:13 No.47070664 Report

Quoted By: >>47070691

>>47070448
But every Pokemon at one point in Gen 1 was useful at some point ingame.
Delibird has NEVER had a moment where it was useful. PvP or PvE.
And tthat's the issue. There is LITERALLY ZERO reason for Delibird to be as egregiously shit as it is. It has nothing to do with ingame viability. And it's not just Delibird who has this issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 04:10:10 No.47070669 Report

Quoted By: >>47070847

>>47070448
refer to >>47070543

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 04:13:48 No.47070691 Report

Quoted By: >>47070709 >>47075470

>>47070664
>But every Pokemon at one point in Gen 1 was useful at some point ingame.

>Ditto
>useful

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 04:16:53 No.47070709 Report

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>>47070691
Ditto has a gimmick df being a copycat, due to Pokemon's RPG origins. And it could potentially be useful if transformed into a good Pokemon. Highly unlikely, but still exists.
Delibrid's """gimmick""" is literally being complete shit.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 04:40:46 No.47070794 Report

Quoted By: >>47089564

>>47069985
>>47070060
>>47070079
You don't need two abilities to make the meme kiddo
Vital Spirit is good enough. Brings up thoughts of the holiday spirit. Insomnia just doesn't fit. Santa doesn't stay up all night because he can't sleep baka
Replace Insomnia with Slush Rush. Plays to the meme perfectly and makes Delibird a better mon. Its the fastest Aurora Veil setter, and gets great tech like Fake Out, Destiny Bond, and Memento.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 04:43:42 No.47070803 Report

Quoted By: >>47070831 >>47078669 >>47079797 >>47087921

DAILY REMINDER

>Smogon itself has been absolutely infested by pedophiles and child sexual predators for decades, with high-level and adult-male admins posing as 15-year old girls in order to get sexual conversations and photographs out of 14-year old girls,

>Smogon being biased pro-stall makes a lot of sense: longer games with less thought required to play gives you far more opportunities to groom your opponents

>Smogon has one of the most poorly-moderated forms on the internet, with no accountability for mods who can ban at-will. Mods commonly use this power to stifle discussions, turn the meta towards what they want to play, and prevent warnings about pedophilia and child abuse from reaching other players

>In generation 7 the ou council assured that landorus therian would not be banned even if it reached more than 95% usage

>The move Baton Pass was banned from all smogon metagames because stall was completely unviable against baton pass supported sweepers

>The smogon council is biased and bans offensive pokemon like darmanitan, cinderace and dracovish, while stallmons like Toxapex, who see much more usage in ubers, are kept

>Smogon is attempting to ban King's Rock, because a 10% chance that threatens stall is banworthy. However, Stall players winning the game off 30% Scalds is considered to be completely acceptable.

>Smogon's one suspect test to UNBAN a Pokemon is because it supports stall, and because a Smoggie "influencer" wants it to be unbanned so they could make clickbait videos

>Smogon's terminology for competitive thought (checks, counters, etc) hasn't been changed since 2005, despite the game evolving significantly since then. This language is used to express why things should be banned now, despite being completely outdated and obsolete, artificially leading to stall-heavy metas being the only "acceptable" ones because of smoggie nuspeak

FUCK SMOGON

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 04:47:48 No.47070817 Report

Quoted By: >>47070834

>>47070543
Multiplayer battling was literally tacked on at the last minute as a request from Nintendo, it's why Gen I is so unbalanced. It was trading that was planned from the beginning. But even though Gen II took some steps to better balance the multiplayer, the series was first and foremost a single-player JRPG that promoted interaction leading to trading and the completion of your Pokédex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 04:51:27 No.47070831 Report

Quoted By: >>47087815 >>47088832

>>47070803
>Smogon itself has been absolutely infested by pedophiles and child sexual predators for decades
This is prominent on literally every gaming site, group, forum, political party, etc. People just want to abuse little kids. Then you have it where the rich want their blood and it just exuberates the madness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 04:53:11 No.47070834 Report

Quoted By: >>47070878 >>47071064

>>47070817
>Multiplayer battling was literally tacked on at the last minute as a request from Nintendo,
Source?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 04:57:38 No.47070847 Report

Quoted By: >>47070936

>>47070543
>>47070669
What exactly does this prove? Do you believe it's impossible for autists to organize tournaments without an official statement of "yes the game is literally meant for this" or something? Of course they'll organize tournaments, of course GF will recognize them, it doesn't really mean that they consider it the central project of the series. It's painfully obvious given how garbage most mons are, especially ones that GF otherwise commonly shills or places in prominent positions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 04:59:15 No.47070858 Report

Quoted By:

>>47068604
Some Pokémon are just more equal than others OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 05:04:09 No.47070878 Report

Quoted By: >>47071064

>>47070834
I remember reading it in an interview years ago, it's going to take a bit for me to find it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 05:09:37 No.47070899 Report

Quoted By:

>>47068604
Jotho was supposed to be the last game/gen OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 05:11:11 No.47070905 Report

Quoted By:

>>47070079
You are literally only person I've ever seen that defends Deliibird having 2 anti-sleep abilities. Even amongst GF apologists you're a special breed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 05:17:19 No.47070935 Report

Quoted By:

>>47070079
Durant literally has a better meme, because at least you can use that meme to abuse the AI in battle facilities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 05:17:50 No.47070936 Report

Quoted By:

>>47070847
>autistic answer
>calls others "autists"
Take meds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 05:46:45 No.47071064 Report

Quoted By:

>>47070834
>>47070878
I'm not having much luck because nobody archives these things in one source. I don't want to be "dude trust me", but I'm not finding it before I go to sleep.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 06:14:33 No.47071211 Report

Quoted By:

>>47070638
>Typhlosion: +1 Spe

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 06:23:59 No.47071259 Report

Quoted By: >>47071324

>>47070037
At least Smogon had the decency to give it a funny entry
>One of the worst things about Christmas has to be the mall Santas. Every year these vapid tokens of an overly commercialized holiday pop up all over like clockwork, intending to spread joy and cheer but doing nothing but delivering lackadaisical performances and disappointment. Many a kid's holidays have been spoiled by these mundane avatars of Kris Kringle in what can only be described as a ritualistic assassination of childhood innocence. Truly, they are a blight upon our cultural landscape, and only when they are washed from our social consciousness can some form of dignity begin to return to Christmas.
>Everything stated in the above paragraph also applies to Delibird.
Typhlosion's is just insulting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 06:32:17 No.47071295 Report

Quoted By: >>47071304 >>47087825

I wish they would stop creating new pokemon and just buff old ones. There's no need to add 100 new Pokemon when they are using it as an excuse to cut content out of the games and when every time I battle online I basically fight the same 20 mons over and over again. The game fucking sucks because of lack of variety. There's so many pokemon I've never seen a single person use even once online, yet every single battle I have to fight Cinderace and Dragapult, it's fucking boring and wasted potential.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 06:34:07 No.47071301 Report

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>>47068604
I tried using one in B2, even with Hustle and life orb I still had to raise it 20 levels higher than everything else to be able to do any damage

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 06:34:58 No.47071304 Report

Quoted By: >>47073881 >>47075412 >>47076196

>>47071295
I wish they made completely new games without new pokemon, excluding spin-offs and remakes , I don't think such a game will ever exist

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 06:42:22 No.47071324 Report

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>>47071259
>Delibird's Special Attack is better than its Attack before the Hustle boost, so a Choice Specs set is conceivable, but if Delibird is not being an ice-cold hustler with its Hustle boost, then there's really no point in having it on your team at all. In a cruel twist of fate, Delibird learns Rapid Spin, giving it the dubious honor of being the worst Rapid Spin user in the game. Delibird's signature move, Present, can be used for some novelty value, but let's face it, using Delibird is in itself already a gift to your opponent.

>Fool people into thinking Delibird is a pre-evolution of Articuno and sneak it into Little Cup to see if it will do well there (it won't).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 08:38:59 No.47071668 Report

Quoted By: >>47071739

Volbeat and Illumise are pinnacle trash bug pokemon, outclsssed by even Wormadam, yet no one seems to pitch a fit over those 2? Is it because they make for better plushies IRL over Delibird? You have to sit back and mull over these hypocritical things at times...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 08:58:54 No.47071739 Report

Quoted By: >>47072810

>>47071668

I mean, they have Tail Glow I guess

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 09:01:43 No.47071744 Report

Quoted By: >>47071834 >>47072704

>>47068604
Because it’s a monster collecting franchise as well as a JRPG and a competitive game. The first two necessitate weaker enemies and “actions” (Pokémon AND moves in this case) and even competitive games (mostly card games tbf) have cards that are meant to be bad.

No other game has to balance as much characters as Pokémon, and this judgement is mostly due to the controversy around the games. If the games were good besides this one issue you’d all be leaping to defend it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 09:28:52 No.47071834 Report

Quoted By: >>47087842 >>47087976

>>47071744

Every pokemon should have potential, there's a myriad of ways to make pokemon that aren't properly trained weaker. Weaker moves, untrained IVs, untrained EVs, a poor nature, a shitty ability. All things that can be changed or improved in the hands of a "good trainer" (IE someone who is good at the game and knows how to play well).

Its also 100% in their power to make unique moves and abilities for pokemon with lower BSTs, and having a worse/better movepool is also another way to balance some pokemon. There's so many ways to do it, there shouldn't be pokemon that are 100% useless other than not fully evolved ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 09:34:39 No.47071851 Report

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>>47068741
You're supposed to play with toys, anon, not leave them in a box.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 09:38:09 No.47071866 Report

Quoted By: >>47071882 >>47071908 >>47072680

Delibird is cute, Ledian is a fucking meme for how bad it is, but then you get really awful mons like this fucking thing that are even worse than the low BST shitmons because this thing's movepool is garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 09:44:18 No.47071882 Report

Quoted By: >>47071890 >>47072637

>>47071866
It's also just kind of boring looking, which is probably the most damning sin, because at least shit like Delibird and Ledian look interesting enough for people to WANT them to be good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 09:49:13 No.47071890 Report

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>>47071882
I think it's cool. Pokemon aren't cool to everyone but some are mood setting. Building a real world location means taking into account the wild life there. Even if it's got bad stats or isn't a great design to you, for someone else it completed their view of the region. Galar should have pheasants, deer, rabbits, foxes and badgers. Other wise it wouldn't be a spin off of the UK. Those are the most common wild animals there and that can be enough to make a mon interesting if not good.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 10:02:22 No.47071908 Report

Quoted By:

>>47071866
whats worse than being bad... being bad and forgotten

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 13:13:02 No.47072637 Report

Quoted By:

>>47071882
Even things that are shit and don't look interesting could at least get notoriety for being shit.
Unfezant isn't even bad enough to get that honor.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 13:19:56 No.47072680 Report

Quoted By: >>47072719 >>47075369 >>47077062

>>47071866
>this thing's movepool is garbage.
Dare I say that Meganium has a better movepool?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 13:23:01 No.47072704 Report

Quoted By: >>47072751

>>47071744
>No other game has to balance as much characters as Pokémon,
But Pokemon has the of already having an evolution mechanic, meaning they only really need to balance fully eveolbed mons which already cuts the amount of mons in to balance. Pokémon also had built in “catalogories” they can balance Pokemon into instead of balancing everything against each other
>Big Legends
>Pseudos/Small Legends
>Late Game mons/ Starters
>Early Game Mons

Finally there are even less Pokémon to balance now that Dexit is a thing. So the number of Pokémon can no longer be used as an excuse.

Also, Typhlosion and Charizard are both Fire starters with the same stats. In any other game they would relatively equal. The fact that one is the definitive shitmon and the other rules over VGC is proof that Game Freak is either grossly incompetent or actively hates certain Pokémon (and by extension their fans) for no good reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 13:26:03 No.47072718 Report

Quoted By:

>>47068604
Because it's a monster collection game first and foremost. Not all monsters are going to be good in any monster collection game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 13:26:03 No.47072719 Report

Quoted By:

>>47072680

Stab quick attack
Feather dance
tailwind
roost
u-turn
heat wave
brave bird/hurricane
taunt

No idea what that things BST or stat spread is but theres some stuff there I guess. The problem is that theres a bunch of other pokemon that can do all of these things better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 13:32:15 No.47072751 Report

Quoted By:

>>47072704
>grossly incompetent
Well let's see. An example would be that Aurora Veil was introduced in Gen 7 and it took until Gen 8 for Aurorus, a Pokemon that has the Aurora Borealis incorporated into its design (via its skin sails) to be able to learn it, just for it to be an egg move and not via level-up.

It's Gen 8 and Aurorus still can't learn Power Gem

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 13:42:58 No.47072810 Report

Quoted By: >>47073146 >>47073181

>>47071739
Not enough, they need Scald, Boomburst, Earth Power and Electro Ball (complete stretch but they still need it)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 14:47:21 No.47073146 Report

Quoted By: >>47073181 >>47073254

>>47072810

Why in the holy fuck would they be able to do any of those things? I mean, I guess I could MAYBE see Electro Ball or Boom Burst if you use some imagination but there's no reason to give them Scald or Earth Power.

And before you point out other pokemon that have moves that don't make any sense, I'm in favor of shrinking movepools of most of the mons in this game. Wide movepools should be a benefit given to mons with shitty stats and shitty abilities, and less coverage in the game in general would really help out some of the shit types like Rock and Ice. There's no reason everything in the game should be able to learn Earthquake, Stone Edge, U-Turn, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 14:52:10 No.47073181 Report

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>>47073146

Ignore >>47072810,he/she/xhe/it is just strawmaning >>47070638 even though that was one of the few Buff My Bro pastas that makes sense)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 15:04:03 No.47073254 Report

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>>47073146
>and less coverage in the game in general would really help out some of the shit types like Rock and Ice.
Or those two typings could lose some weaknesses and gain some resistances.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 15:05:08 No.47073259 Report

Quoted By: >>47074136 >>47079735

>>47068741
>Gamefreak never expected that autists would actually try to turn this into a competitive sport where the pokemons' stats actually mattered.
oh yeah that's why they spent 20 years developing further and further the battling mechanics
Retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 16:19:45 No.47073881 Report

Quoted By:

>>47071304
this but unironically. make the orange islands of the games

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 16:48:25 No.47074136 Report

Quoted By: >>47075825

>>47073259
And they didn't for a long while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 19:23:02 No.47075369 Report

Quoted By:

>>47072680
yikes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 19:32:23 No.47075412 Report

Quoted By:

>>47071304
Wow that sounds even worse than gen 8
Imagine playing a game for 30 hours, with 200+ pokemon to catch, and you already know all of them
>did I catch zubat already this playthrough?
I don't think I could have any fun playing that game, that would be so tedious

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 19:41:58 No.47075470 Report

Quoted By: >>47076347

>>47070691
Ditto's transforming gimmick was at least useful in single player, what the hell does Delibird even have?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 19:43:09 No.47075477 Report

Quoted By: >>47076406

>>47070448
>The point is that no one in Gen I or Gen II or even most of Gen III gave a fucking shit about "competitive Pokemon"

And yet the Stadium games exist, which are pretty much unbeatable unless you go in with an optimal team composition, squeezing the most out of the available stats and movepools.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 20:40:55 No.47075825 Report

Quoted By: >>47076163

>>47074136
They've been doing since gen 2-3

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 21:32:18 No.47076163 Report

Quoted By: >>47082340

>>47075825
Maybe gen 3, but not really 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 21:36:10 No.47076196 Report

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>>47071304
Legends is kind of going this way, although you could argue its not a mainline game

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Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 21:41:51 No.47076242 Report

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What's worse, the fact that Game Freak still makes these Pokémon or that people make bait posts in attempt to rustle the jimmies of people that like said Pokémon?

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Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 21:45:23 No.47076279 Report

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What's worse, the fact that Game Freak still makes these Pokémon with bad stats or that people are willing to make bait posts in a sad, pathetic attempt to rustle the jimmies of people that like said Pokémon and start flamewars?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 21:54:44 No.47076347 Report

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>>47075470
It really isn't.
Ditto is one of those mons that's actually kind of a pain in the ass to use in-game.
It's doable, yeah, but needing to take a turn to transform, eat a hit, and then still having less HP and limited PP is kinda shit.
You're better off just using another Pokemon normally in a good 99% of cases. You have to go out of your way to find a use for Ditto.

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Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 22:01:32 No.47076406 Report

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>>47075477
Stadium weren't games made by Gamefreak, and were released years later.

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Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 23:32:58 No.47077062 Report

Quoted By: >>47078588

>>47072680
How could they go from Staraptor to fucking Unfesant?
At least Pokemon like Talonflame and Corviknight have different typings . Any Normal/Flying early bird is just going to be inferior to Staraptor. Unfesant needs a different typing, like Electric/Flying or Ground/Flying. I don't care if it doesn't make sense.

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Anonymous Tue 11 May 2021 23:39:14 No.47077106 Report

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>>47068741
Maybe if Game Freak didn't expect people to turn Pokemon into an autism simulator, they wouldn't add a bunch of autistic backdrop features, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm????????
And don't give me that shit about "'it wasn't suppose to be found out!" when they constantly hint towards it from NPCs, since the VERY BEGINNING!!!
If they wanted to keep it simple, they would have made it simple like Bomberman Tournament's Not-Pokemon sidemode.
Cope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 02:48:57 No.47078588 Report

Quoted By: >>47084497

>>47077062
I think Unfezant might have been what made them realize Staraptor was the peak.
Or maybe they just don't realize, since Toucannon exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 02:58:47 No.47078669 Report

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>>47070803
this, deliberd is godlike in VGC, play the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 02:59:49 No.47078677 Report

Quoted By: >>47078808

>>47068604
Anon, it's Johto, it's bad on purpose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 03:20:48 No.47078808 Report

Quoted By: >>47079737

>>47078677
Delibird
Ledian
Ariados
Unown
Stanter
Furret
Noctowl
Girafarig
Sun flora
Sudowoodo
Johtoian Corsola
2/3 of the starters
Probably a bunch of other I can’t remember

Why the fuck did Game Freak make Johtomons so weak, there is no why this was an accident? Why do they hate Johto so much?

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Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 06:52:39 No.47079735 Report

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>>47073259
it's still the same pixel turn based bullshit. Gamefreak has barely changed the combat mechanics since the GBA games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 06:52:51 No.47079737 Report

Quoted By: >>47090953

>>47078808
Because they hate Kansai.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 07:07:44 No.47079797 Report

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>>47070803
Yes!!! thats right I also love familt guy and I agree ... MAGA duck the smogon librtards

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Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 07:08:54 No.47079804 Report

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>>47068741
based as fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 11:19:28 No.47080461 Report

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>>47068741
And yet somehow, all of Game Freaks personal favs and shills miraculous get everything they need to be good in VGC. .

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 11:38:37 No.47080516 Report

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Hasn't anyone made a hack that is only based around comp faggotry, final destionation, everyone having balanced (the same) stats?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 11:41:40 No.47080528 Report

Quoted By: >>47080541 >>47080872 >>47080899

It's always hilarious to see people suddenly realize that Gamefreak has absolutely no idea how to balance their games and they don't know what makes a pokemon good or bad, even after 20+ years of them milking the same babby's first turn based rpg formula.

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Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 11:46:52 No.47080541 Report

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>>47080528
Tell us what makes a game good or bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 11:50:47 No.47080555 Report

Quoted By: >>47080562

pokedev here
I made some bad on purpose
just as joke
in 1999
you all still mad
this was my best joke

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 11:53:21 No.47080562 Report

Quoted By: >>47081847

>>47080555
#PowerGemForAurorusOrWeRiot

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 13:09:34 No.47080872 Report

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>>47080528
I think they know to an extent.
Cinderace was obviously deliberate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 13:14:36 No.47080899 Report

Quoted By: >>47080926 >>47081157

>>47080528
>they don't know what makes a pokemon good or bad
Take a look at a underperforming Pokémon like Tropius and then compare it to an OP one like Zacian and tell me that they don't know what makes a Pokémon good or bad.

Spoiler alert: they do, and it shows.

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Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 13:18:22 No.47080926 Report

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>>47080899
I don't think they know.
Zacian was probably an accident.
Obviously it was meant to be strong, but as absurdly busted as it is? I don't think so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 13:19:13 No.47080932 Report

Quoted By: >>47080948 >>47087732

most of them are for merchandising

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Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 13:22:23 No.47080948 Report

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>>47080932
How does being shit help them with merchandising?
Competitive viability has no impact on design and vice versa, but surely people would like a Pokemon more, even if it's just a small number of people by a small amount, if it's actually good, and it would cost nothing to do that.
Nobody finds out a Pokemon is actually good in comp and then decides to hate it.

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Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 14:05:30 No.47081157 Report

Quoted By: >>47081191

>>47080899
They don't get the finer details in designing a mon to be balanced for its expected power level.

They gave Aegislash 150 Sp Atk and a good special movepool and were surprised to see players use it as a special attacker.
They inadvertently made Diggersby busted for an early game rodent by giving it Huge Power, STAB riority and a decent movepool.
They made Talonflame utterly overpowered and the only way they could fix it was by nerfing his ability to the ground and making it unusable a gen later.
Crabominable takes the entire game to be evolved from a sub mediocre mon and it's absolute dogshit.
They obviously tried to shill Inteleon along Cinderace and tried to do so by giving him a signature move that bypasses redirection abilities and no other redeeming quality. He's dogshit and no one uses it.
Zacian is absolutely busted even by box legend standards while Zamazenta is a joke.

Gamefreak cannot balance their own games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 14:10:31 No.47081191 Report

Quoted By: >>47082278

>>47081157
look at this nerd lmao

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Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 15:46:18 No.47081847 Report

Quoted By: >>47085510

>>47080562
#EarthPowerForTyphlosionOrWeErupt

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 16:53:56 No.47082278 Report

Quoted By: >>47082783

>>47081191
Not an argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 17:01:01 No.47082340 Report

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>>47076163
gen 2 introduced breeding and held items, although not to great use it helped set the foundations

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Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 17:55:15 No.47082783 Report

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>>47082278
nerd

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 19:39:22 No.47083605 Report

Quoted By: >>47084362

I know that it's "the point" but I will never accept Unown being so laughably unusable

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 21:13:42 No.47084362 Report

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>>47083605
I came into GSC still thinking that Psychic was going to be as good as it was in RBY. Unown quickly taught me that is no longer the case.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 21:29:48 No.47084497 Report

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>>47078588
At least Toucannon has a more varied learnset and gets a signature move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 May 2021 23:37:24 No.47085510 Report

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>>47081847
My dick's gonna erupt lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 May 2021 04:23:47 No.47087732 Report

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>>47080932
*all

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 May 2021 04:34:40 No.47087783 Report

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>>47068604
Not everything can be a meta smogonuber-tier VGC winner. If everything is OP, then nothing is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 May 2021 04:41:42 No.47087815 Report

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>>47070831
God I wish we could do an old-fashioned lynching of child predators. Get a group of hooded guys to haul them out of bed in the middle of the night, drag them through the streets, and then hang them on the tree in the town square to the whoops and hollers of the populace.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 May 2021 04:43:57 No.47087825 Report

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>>47071295
If they had just kept to adding only about 20-30 every new gen rather than a hundred, it would’ve made the franchise much better. More time to develop each pokemon, and more time to focus on other aspects of the game as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 May 2021 04:47:16 No.47087842 Report

Quoted By: >>47087976

>>47071834
>every one should have potential
Why? There’s already informal tiers most people recognise that categorise all of them so you can have a somewhat equal matchup. Why does EVERY pokemon need to be competitive against EVERY other pokemon? That sort of ruins the whole point of evolution and rarity and everything else. That just sounds like typical millennial/zoomer “b-but it’s not equal!!! Hierarchy is evil!!! Everyone and everything must be exactly identical at all times!!!”

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 May 2021 05:03:25 No.47087921 Report

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>>47070803
let face it, 95% of your argument is you not being able to deal with stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 May 2021 05:15:59 No.47087976 Report

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>>47087842
>There’s already informal tiers
Exactly informal they have no baring on the actual game where shitmons are stuck being shit. Even within the informal tiers some Pokemon are still trapped in the hell of uselessness.

>Why does EVERY pokemon need to be competitive against EVERY other pokemon
Because Pokémon was always intended as a social game and 99% of the multiplayer element is competitive battling.

>That sort of ruins the whole point of evolution and rarity and everything
>>47071834 specially mentioned that NFE Pokémon don’t need to be competitively viable, and the rarity excuse thing doesn’t work because a good portion of raremons are shitmons

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Anonymous Thu 13 May 2021 08:03:48 No.47088832 Report

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>>47070831
This.
There's nothing you can do to stop pedos from popping up.
The important thing is to be diligent about absolutely hammering them down when they're found out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 May 2021 10:52:44 No.47089564 Report

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>>47070794
>Its the fastest Aurora Veil setter
Still needs to take a turn to set up Hail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 May 2021 12:37:06 No.47090074 Report

Quoted By: >>47092045

>>47068604
>Why Does Game Freak Create Pokemon Just To Shit On Them?
Some Pokemon have to be bad so others can be good.

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Anonymous Thu 13 May 2021 14:43:37 No.47090953 Report

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>>47079737
This is completely schizo, but I can't think of any other reason.

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Anonymous Thu 13 May 2021 17:18:48 No.47092045 Report

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>>47090074
Except no one with half a brain uses bad Pokemon, meaning all battles are between good Pokemon, so all Pokemon that actually get to battle are good anyways. Having all Pokemon be good would at least make the game interesting because all would be used to some extent.

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