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Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 10:32:27 No.47252296 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>47252351 >>47252415 >>47252426 >>47252861 >>47252974 >>47253436 >>47254504 >>47254654 >>47254911 >>47255006 >>47255550

Kanto

>Modern, new
>Technology
>Industrial

Johto

>Traditional, old
>Spiritual
>Developing

Ignore the games themselves, out of Kanto and Johto which of the two's themes and design do you prefer?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 10:41:44 No.47252351 Report

Quoted By: >>47252831 >>47253066 >>47255445

>>47252296
I love the visual and spiritual aspects of traditional japanese culture, but the social aspects are trash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 10:42:08 No.47252353 Report

Quoted By: >>47252432 >>47252435 >>47252671 >>47253050 >>47253083

Johto's entire 'theme' exists almost exclusively in Ecruteak, every other city is very generic and devoid of any personality
Kanto has far more iconic locations

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 10:50:49 No.47252415 Report

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>>47252296
Kanto
>boring identical cities with literally no themes at all

Johto
>SOVLFUL and unique cities like Cianwood, Goldenrod, Ecruteak, Olivine

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 10:52:31 No.47252426 Report

Quoted By: >>47254734

>>47252296
I want to visit a brothel in Goldenrod's red light district

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 10:53:44 No.47252432 Report

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>>47252353
I dunno Violet, Cianwood and Mahogany convey the vibe well enough (in the remakes)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 10:54:00 No.47252435 Report

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>>47252353
Ecruteak's the most blatant with its themes. There are other towns that do those themes more subtly - Violet City, Azalea Town, Mahogony Town, and Blackthorn City

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 11:42:56 No.47252671 Report

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>>47252353
>ignores the music
>ignores half the NPCs are shinto priests or geisha
>ignores that half the region riffs on various Japanese cultural norms

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 12:16:25 No.47252831 Report

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>>47252351
The social aspects are what create and preserve the physical and spiritual. Culture does not exist in a vacuum; it ceases to exist without maintenance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 12:22:19 No.47252861 Report

Quoted By: >>47252885

>>47252296
I prefer Johto but kantos modernism is still charming and complements johto nicely. The industrial aspect of Kanto isnt overpowering. Unova is a more bland and brutal industrialism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 12:25:59 No.47252885 Report

Quoted By: >>47252924 >>47255445

>>47252861

It is rather amusing how despite the stong themes of modernization and science in Kanto it's still a 'science bad' message

'Look at the power plant, left to rot! Look at the poulltion, creating nasty poemon from sludge and air! Look at your science, creating animals/Pokemon like Porygon, yet also creating evil monsters like Mewtwo!'

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 12:32:17 No.47252924 Report

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>>47252885
Interesting point, so ironically it's the 2nd gen games that seem to embrace the technology more, or at least represents it more positively. The power plant in kanto is inhabited and running in GS, and the use of the radio towers in both regions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 12:43:40 No.47252974 Report

Quoted By: >>47254756

>>47252296
If GF actually put effort into a modern remake and enhanced Kanto in a way that actually makes sense instead of a 1:1 reconstruction of the original Game Boy map, then we could better judge Kanto as it was meant to be

As it currently stands, Kanto is literally just the 'default' map, notable only because it was the first and introduced many series staples that we take for granted today

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 12:54:48 No.47253050 Report

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>>47252353
I was 7 or 8 when I played Silver and even then I noticed the traditional Japan influences and mystic themed it was. Not everything is trying to pushing a non existent narrative Jimbo, some times things are what they are, the fact that there's only one big city should tell you..

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 12:57:25 No.47253066 Report

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>>47252351
This, they should be more like the US and worship hood rats

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 12:57:39 No.47253070 Report

Quoted By: >>47253083

I was 7 or 8 when I played Silver and even back then I was i able to notice the traditional Japanese influences and how heavily mystic themed Johtobwas. Not everything is trying to push a non existent narrative Jimbo, some times things are what they are, the simple fact that there's only one big city should tell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 12:58:45 No.47253083 Report

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>>47253070
This was for
>>47252353

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 13:50:29 No.47253436 Report

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>>47252296
Kanto, personally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 16:02:05 No.47254504 Report

Quoted By: >>47255027

>>47252296
Kanto has a charm to it as I, being non-japanese could relate more to the cities. However Johto is by far the better region, it feels nicer, it feels like it has the soul of an era in it. The better question would be which is better between Johto and Hoenn. Personally I don't know which one of the two achieves a more soulful and peaceful place. The place with ties to a culture or one with land.

Also could you post more images like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 16:18:53 No.47254654 Report

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>>47252296
I would generally prefer the Kanto style but they still can't seem to do it right even with LGPE. It barely feels properly urban and developed, most of the routes are straight up rural, if the routes around Saffron had more of a urban/suburban feel with more houses, train tracks, then it would work, but it feels more like Johto but without the tradition. It just feels like a blank region that they're too afraid to change because it will piss off the whiny genwunners.

I would still very much like the Johto style regardless, but I prefer it over Kanto because it was handled better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 16:26:35 No.47254734 Report

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>>47252426
This is going to sound really dumb and unoriginal but I would love it if they made a side series with a higher ESRB rating so that they could experiment with stuff like this. Nothing completely crazy like GTA, just minor stuff that they have to avoid to keep the E rating while not distracting from the purpose of the game. Think like Dragon ball or some of the light dirty humor in Gintama. References to alcohol, light sexual innuendos, maybe a return of game corners. You know, enough to make an interesting world and story while being on the level of basic shit that isn't taboo in Japanese culture but is for the west, basically just fleshing out the direction they were going in Gen 1.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 16:28:49 No.47254756 Report

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>>47252974
Hit the nail on the head niggy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 16:42:06 No.47254911 Report

Quoted By: >>47255735

>>47252296
For some reason Kanto reminds me of shitty leisure centres and swimming pools that I grew up around, so I prefer it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 16:49:51 No.47255006 Report

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>>47252296
Kanto does not give the proper justice to "modernity and technology" as concepts thanks to limitations, I think Unova is the best with this thematically, Black and White are even to this day the most vanguard games aestethically.

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Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 16:52:22 No.47255027 Report

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>>47254504

>'Why live in the past like Johto, or advance to the future like Kanto when I can just move to a pretty, secluded island like Hoenn and become one with nature

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Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 17:03:05 No.47255152 Report

Quoted By: >>47255177 >>47255512

Kanto is a polluted shithole with constant power outages and high crime rates with ruffians and vandals having taken over most areas like the cycling road for example. Not only that but the economy is also failing that's why most businesses like the Safari Zone and the Bike Shop moved over to Johto. I literally cannot understand how someone would defend be a third world Kanto shitter. Even Red did such a piss poor job of "disbanding" Team Rocket that they're back to chimping out, this time crossing into Johto because Kanto niggers simply do not know how to behave themselves.

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Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 17:06:40 No.47255177 Report

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>>47255152

Well well well looks like we got a little baby Johto boy walking arond our turf here in Kanto.. Tell you what hand over your money and you can go back to your mommy in New Bark Town in peace

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Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 17:10:48 No.47255208 Report

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>>47255177

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Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 17:36:51 No.47255445 Report

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>>47252885
That was prevalent all throughout the 90s. Kanto is a period piece. The Hoenn Region seems like it was meant to rectify science being a force of good, better understanding the natural world while advancing technologically within it.

>>47252351
It's good to remember & respect the past without romanticizing it, and move towards the future with a hopeful outlook. Science and nature shouldn't have to be at odds, and progress can exist within culture enriching it. That being said, I do prefer Johto's calm aesthetic over Kanto's feel of urban decay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 17:43:29 No.47255512 Report

Quoted By: >>47257506

>>47255152
Absolute based take, Kanto is only fun to go to so you can laugh at the poors and fuck over the incompetent retard trainers that wouldn't last a minute in Johto's gym challenge, Kanto is a reservation for the scum so as to stop them from fully invading the serene countryside that is Johto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 17:45:07 No.47255528 Report

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>>47254734
Sounds like we need an Earthbound-Crystal ROMhack

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 17:46:58 No.47255550 Report

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>>47252296
I want to live in Johto.

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Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 18:07:30 No.47255735 Report

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>>47254911
>shitty leisure centres and swimming pools
I think it's the Gen I building design. I kind of get that feeling too.

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Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 18:23:46 No.47255870 Report

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They both have a place. I prefer Johto overall.

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Anonymous Mon 31 May 2021 21:05:14 No.47257506 Report

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>>47255512

Is this the famous 'hard and tough Johoto gyms nobody from Kanto would ever beat'?

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