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Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 04:35:59 No.47314294 View View Reply Original Report

Pokémon literally just being
>OHKO it with a super effective attack
is extremely boring
How do we make it more strategic and interesting?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 04:36:55 No.47314298 Report

Quoted By: >>47314301

by playing multiplayer

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 04:37:48 No.47314301 Report

Quoted By: >>47314510 >>47314554 >>47314645

>>47314298
Idiotic mind games aren't strategy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 04:39:40 No.47314317 Report

Quoted By: >>47314342

>>47314294
remove RNG and replace it with skill-based execution

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 04:41:43 No.47314325 Report

Quoted By: >>47314345

>>47314294
Nuzlocke

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 04:42:14 No.47314331 Report

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>>47314294
Make boss battles a thing with legendaries. Would be cool if they made them super hard to beat by buffing them before hand but after you deplete their HP you’re guaranteed a catch

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 04:44:07 No.47314340 Report

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>>47314294
By having teams like normal RPGs. Maybe it's time to move on to other franchises.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 04:44:41 No.47314342 Report

Quoted By: >>47318774 >>47321581 >>47322782 >>47324179 >>47324385

>>47314294
Party vs party, 1v1 is shit
More emphasis on buffs and debuffs
>>47314317
Entirely against the spirit of the game
It would be like forcing you to play a QTE to complete a chess move

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 04:45:47 No.47314345 Report

Quoted By: >>47314503

>>47314325
Nuzlockes are meme garbage
And also just boil down to OHKO super effective moves because they don't change the game mechanics

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 04:58:37 No.47314401 Report

Quoted By: >>47314407

>>47314294
Double Battle

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:00:03 No.47314407 Report

Quoted By: >>47314431 >>47322793

>>47314401
Ok, now it's
>OHKO both of them with super effective attacks

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:05:15 No.47314431 Report

Quoted By: >>47314438 >>47314440 >>47324341

>>47314407
Try actually playing VGC and come back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:06:36 No.47314438 Report

Quoted By: >>47314453 >>47314507

>>47314431
I sure do love everyone having the exact same team

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:07:59 No.47314440 Report

Quoted By: >>47314453 >>47314455

>>47314431
No one should have to play shitty extraneous multiplayer to actually have an engaging experience with a game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:10:18 No.47314453 Report

Quoted By: >>47314468 >>47324385

>>47314438
>>47314440
not the poster you replied to, but fine. Play bw doubles battle subway, and get a streak of >100, and come back
>muh hax
git gud, if your team loses to one quick claw/ohko mon it's probably not very good

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:10:33 No.47314455 Report

Quoted By: >>47314459

>>47314440
You're right. Splatoon 2 and Smash Bros are bad games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:12:36 No.47314459 Report

Quoted By: >>47314492

>>47314455
Yes they are

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:14:04 No.47314468 Report

Quoted By: >>47314503

>>47314453
they don't actually play the games, they're just here to shitpost

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:18:26 No.47314492 Report

Quoted By: >>47314515

>>47314459
Name 3 reasons why

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:20:33 No.47314503 Report

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>>47314468
I know :/ same with this post desu
>>47314345
nuzlockes can (at least potentially) force you to think about your strategy differently, thanks to the limited options it gives you. I think a good challenge run in general can make the games more interesting. I think it's a shame that so many people on /vp/ seemingly have the attitude of
>if this game doesn't automatically push me to my personal strategic limit, without going too far, and without me adding any rules or flavor to the way I play, then it's a bad game
If you genuinely have that perspective on the series, then why come to this board?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:21:24 No.47314507 Report

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>>47314438
Actually play the game you shitpost about faggot. It's pretty uncommon to face up against the exact same team. It's common to face poowerful pokemon, but exact same team? You're a retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:21:41 No.47314510 Report

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>>47314301
But they are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:22:37 No.47314515 Report

Quoted By: >>47314530 >>47314542

>>47314492
They're bad
They're shit
They're terrible

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:24:08 No.47314530 Report

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>>47314515
fair

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:26:43 No.47314542 Report

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>>47314515
>They just are, okay?????

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:30:24 No.47314554 Report

Quoted By: >>47316776

>>47314301
>outsmarting another player isn't strategy
???

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:43:05 No.47314605 Report

Quoted By: >>47316776

>>47314294
As long as pokemon stays turn based, it will always be just
>OHKO it with a super effective attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:49:21 No.47314639 Report

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>>47314294
>How do we make it more strategic and interesting?
By making it Mahjong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:50:42 No.47314645 Report

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>>47314301
? post elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:53:26 No.47314659 Report

Quoted By: >>47314676 >>47316786

>>47314294
ok but your gif is retarded. Low Kick is 120 base power + stab + guts + super effective with an 80 base attack Pokémon here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 05:57:54 No.47314676 Report

Quoted By: >>47314821

>>47314659
B-BUT IT'S A NFE! GEDDIT? IT'S A NFE SO DAT MEAN IT NOT SUPPOSED TO KO!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 06:43:42 No.47314821 Report

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>>47314676
Honestly the fact that they got to the Frontier Brain with essentially 2/3 of a team is pretty impressive, although I'm assuming this was done on emulator. Battle Pyramid is a bitch of a facility

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 06:44:24 No.47314823 Report

Quoted By: >>47316776

>>47314294
Atb

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 14:41:42 No.47316776 Report

Quoted By: >>47317037 >>47322763

>>47314605
SMT and Persona etc do just fine with turn based
>>47314823
Kill yourself
>>47314554
It has nothing to do with the actual game mechanics

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 14:43:34 No.47316786 Report

Quoted By: >>47316892 >>47324328

>>47314659
It should not be possible to OHKO a boss in any RPG

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 14:43:54 No.47316788 Report

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>>47314294
How about playing the way you're supposed to play?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 15:00:32 No.47316892 Report

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>>47316786
It's Pokemon. The "boss" is meant to be captured, not killed, and his move just happens to specialize in downing that type of enemy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 15:01:23 No.47316899 Report

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>>47314294
use worse mons and you wont one shot

or just play a different game

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 15:05:01 No.47316921 Report

Quoted By: >>47316960

>>47314294
Allow the AI to switch out anytime
There I fixed pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 15:11:26 No.47316960 Report

Quoted By: >>47317023

>>47316921
Switching is a waste of a turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 15:19:44 No.47317023 Report

Quoted By: >>47317036

>>47316960
a turn where they would just die, retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 15:21:25 No.47317036 Report

Quoted By: >>47317041

>>47317023
Now they'll just die on the next turn!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 15:21:46 No.47317037 Report

Quoted By: >>47322853

>>47316776
>SMT and Persona etc do just fine with turn based
The typings have a lot less impact on the combat
This is how Pokemon should be, typing should be a 1.5x multiplier at most. Not 2x and 4x. Main reason why the games are not good

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 15:22:16 No.47317041 Report

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>>47317036
Not after killing your pokemon with their switch in, retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 17:32:31 No.47318369 Report

Quoted By: >>47324348 >>47324385

>>47314294
It's impossible to make Baby's First Turn-Based RPG (or even Baby's First Video Game Ever) into a game of actual Player VS AI strategy so long as there's only four moves per Pokemon and the most complex you can get with active battlers is Double Battles, never mind all the active efforts to make the game as easy and accessible to toddlers and braindead normalfags as possible.
And even then, for all Pokemon can offer on paper, it still pales in comparison to even Dragon Quest because of the move limit and how homogenized your Pokemon are in the campaign, the only thing setting them apart truly being their stats and typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 18:15:29 No.47318774 Report

Quoted By: >>47319248

>>47314342
turn-based battling with no input from the player is a concession made for the Game Boy that they've been too lazy to update since, not a deliberate design choice meant to reinforce the games' message of friendship and trust being paramount

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 19:19:58 No.47319248 Report

Quoted By: >>47324385

>>47318774
>muh technical limitations
Get fucked, turn based is supposed to echo tabletop RPGs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 19:24:35 No.47319296 Report

Quoted By: >>47319307

>>47314294
How did that Machop even get burned in that fight?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 19:26:16 No.47319307 Report

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>>47319296
It was burned going in https://youtu.be/oNOZVjnenGc

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 22:23:01 No.47320942 Report

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bimp

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 22:40:11 No.47321112 Report

Quoted By: >>47321420

>>47314294
beats the shit out of
>maxes out EV and IV on NPC mons and gives them full coverage vs everything so you have to breed and EV train before 3rd gym

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 23:23:46 No.47321420 Report

Quoted By:

>>47321112
The only difference there is they're the ones OHKOing you
The fundamental problem is that battles are over extremely quickly

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 23:46:02 No.47321581 Report

Quoted By:

>>47314294
But that was skillful. He used Low Kick as opposed to karate chop you baiting retard.

>>47314342
Party vs Party would be cool though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 02:47:53 No.47322763 Report

Quoted By:

>>47316776
>SMT and Persona etc do just fine with turn based
Because those are made for adults and aren't balanced around multiplayer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 02:50:49 No.47322782 Report

Quoted By:

>>47314342
>Party vs party, 1v1 is shit
Yeah, that's why so much stuff was 2v2, 3v3, or 4v4 until Pokémon.
>More emphasis on buffs and debuffs
No, this will just make the game focus on debuffs and DoT stuff like Monster Sanctuary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 02:52:42 No.47322793 Report

Quoted By:

>>47314407
That's really not how Doubles works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 02:53:54 No.47322804 Report

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Decrease super effective multipliers, increase HP stats across the board, increase move slots from 4, more emphasis on double/triple/etc battles

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 02:59:50 No.47322853 Report

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>>47317037
IMO 2x is fine, the problem is that weaknesses are decided entirely by type unlike SMT and Persona where each demon has specific weaknesses. I get that Pokémon is designed for kids and manchildren but that makes combat way too simple and it's the reason why we end up with 4x weaknesses and sometimes 8x depending on whether the move is double damage by effect or a third type is added with something like Forest's Curse. On modern consoles and handhelds we have the space to display weaknesses and resistances on screen like in Monster Sanctuary or have a button/option dedicated to showing them like in Persona.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 03:28:05 No.47323024 Report

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>>47314294
Make it a tactical RPG

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 03:28:33 No.47323025 Report

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>>47314294
you are wrong, try playing competitive

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 09:08:28 No.47324179 Report

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>>47314342
Based SMTbro. I would love to have my entire party of 6 take one tough boss or another army of 6 Pokémon. The closest we've gotten to it so far are triple and rotation battles and they were fun, so imagine my rage at GameFreak for not bringing them back once they moved past the 3DS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 09:10:21 No.47324188 Report

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Make a game where all battles are double and triple.
That's the most strategic gameplay pokemon with ever have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 09:53:42 No.47324328 Report

Quoted By: >>47324385

>>47316786
Pokemon doesn't HAVE traditional "bosses," you maroon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 09:55:39 No.47324336 Report

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>>47314294
Most of mons need HP boost.
Add some afilcition to Speed = HP as well that would make training and fighting more interesting

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 09:56:41 No.47324341 Report

Quoted By:

>>47314431
20 Pokemon are actualy strong enought to surivive and deal damage. Still ususally 2KO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 09:58:01 No.47324348 Report

Quoted By:

>>47318369
>It's impossible to make Baby's First Turn-Based RPG
You can actualy make trainers better the futher it goes in game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 10:01:38 No.47324357 Report

Quoted By:

>>47314294
change the battle mechanics to something like bakugan, more focused on strategy instead of how much health you have

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 10:09:58 No.47324383 Report

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>>47314294
i was playing pokemon lets go with my daughter and having 2 pokemon really does make the game more strategic. you can actually do stat up/down moves which makes sense since that is what you do in regular jrpgs with 4 people in a party. im sure refining the game for 2v2 would be better for pokemon in a casual and competitive way.

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Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 10:10:33 No.47324385 Report

Quoted By: >>47324694

As things stand Pokemon combat can't be more interesting.
>>47314342 this wouldn't work as well in pokemon sadly, it would be just like VGC is.
>>47314453
If your team loses to quick claw/king's rock it doesn't mean your team is bad. It also depends on what and when the item was used. Just check skill link cloyster for more info into rng screwing matchups.
>>47318369
This is true. Pokemon don't really interact with anything other than other pokemon and very few field effects that usually don't bring much strategy to the table. And when they bring a lot to the table the next installment has said effect nerfed.
>>47319248
Tabletop allows more freedom in the aspect that you can interact with the environment. This is a given but creative strategies don't work well in Pokemon else metas wouldn't be as stale as they are, but they work in Tabletop.
>>47324328
Gyms, evil team admins, evil team leader, elite 4 and champion are the bosses of pokemon. And alola did them better with totem pokemon being applied to the formula. Sadly we have regressed, yet again, in the next gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 10:27:43 No.47324426 Report

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>>47314294
Make the game entirely double battle format

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 11:45:02 No.47324694 Report

Quoted By:

>>47324385
There’s nothing wrong with VGC

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 11:48:18 No.47324705 Report

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>>47314294
Use shitmons with <70 attack stats.

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Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 15:37:25 No.47325781 Report

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>>47314294
literally just give the npcs "illegal" movesets stats or typings. having only worse versions of the same tools presented to the player means (outside of facilities) the games CANNOT be even remotely challenging in any aspect

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