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Anonymous Tue 15 Jun 2021 23:46:46 No.47384937 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>47384955 >>47385186 >>47386104 >>47386203 >>47387131 >>47388392

>steel, but worse

Wow Rock Type is awesome.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jun 2021 23:49:59 No.47384955 Report

Quoted By: >>47384989 >>47387797

>>47384937
*6 flying pokemon block your path*
Good luck Steel

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jun 2021 23:52:55 No.47384970 Report

Quoted By: >>47386477

Rock is like Ice in that GF thinks it should do the opposite of what it's actually good at. At least it gets a nonshit weather though.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Jun 2021 23:56:21 No.47384982 Report

Quoted By: >>47386064 >>47387328

>rock/ground

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jun 2021 23:57:22 No.47384989 Report

Quoted By: >>47385949 >>47386023

>>47384955
Magnezone

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 00:34:47 No.47385186 Report

Quoted By: >>47386193 >>47386495 >>47387780

>>47384937
Rock and Steel should have just become one type called Mineral, with Steel's type match-ups

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 02:36:22 No.47385949 Report

Quoted By: >>47386023

>>47384989
Charzard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 02:40:37 No.47385980 Report

Quoted By: >>47386344

It makes no sense that rock is weak to fighting. Have you ever punched a rock?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 02:47:38 No.47386023 Report

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>>47384989
>>47385949
>yeah but what if I shitpost good counters?
This is like when kids scream i kill you 999+ 1 to infinity! vp, pls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 02:51:12 No.47386064 Report

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>>47384982
A wonderful STAB combo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 02:56:07 No.47386104 Report

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>>47384937
>remove the ground weakness
>make it resist electric
how's that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 03:09:59 No.47386193 Report

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>>47385186
Big brain

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 03:11:42 No.47386203 Report

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>>47384937
rock is the best shit type (the others being ice, bug, and normal)
Grass almost counts but honesty its resists and immunities are kinda vital, main reason most grass types suck is atrocious BST/coverage

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 03:35:38 No.47386344 Report

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>>47385980
Fighting type Pokemon are martial artists and have super strength and ki manipulation. Martial artists breaking rocks with their bare hands is one of the oldest tropes out there. Same applies to Steel, they're just that strong.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 04:07:46 No.47386477 Report

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>>47384970
>inb4 rock-type pokémon being slow is for "balancing" reasons in the same fashion as ice-type pokémon
And then you have stupid shit like Fisheous Rend being 570 BP with Strong Jaw + Rain + Choice Band + going first, Zamazenta being straight-up inferior to Zacian by a Poké Mile, fully-evolved Pokémon like Meganium being outclassed by NFE Pokémon, and Aurorus's shitty typing signifying that Shigeki Morimoto doesn't actually have a single clue as to what the concept of balancing is.

Morimoto's idea of "balancing" is to make one Pokémon extremely OP (like Dracovish) and make another Pokémon extremely shit (like Thievul) to make up for the OP Pokémon being OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 04:11:22 No.47386495 Report

Quoted By: >>47388941

>>47385186
If something is rigid, this means the material cannot bend—instead of giving way under force it must either absorb the impact, or shatter.

The only reason we view material like rock and steel as being unbreakable is merely because the point these materials will shatter under a force is far higher than humans can normally generate, and they completely absorb hits instead. But a creature with super strength can shatter or destroy materials like this through sheer force, the same way we can easily break other rigid materials like glass for example.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 07:26:25 No.47387131 Report

Quoted By: >>47387194

>>47384937
>let's make a defensive type
>with the most weaknesses of any type
>also let's make every pokémon that has it slow as fuck

to this day i still smile when I think of the time they gave sturdy 1HKO protection

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Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 07:43:34 No.47387194 Report

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>>47387131
Meanwhile you have Pokémon like Lucario and Zacian.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 08:22:52 No.47387328 Report

Quoted By: >>47387542 >>47387809 >>47387900 >>47387962

>>47384982
>rock/ground
>rock/steel
>ground/steel
>bug/poison
>grass/poison
>bug/grass

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Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 09:34:39 No.47387542 Report

Quoted By: >>47387809 >>47387900

>>47387328
Don't forget the absolute worse type duo.
>bug/flying

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 09:42:20 No.47387555 Report

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>grass/ice

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Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 11:27:52 No.47387780 Report

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>>47385186
Fuck that. I hate when fan games combine too many of the types. It’s just too simplistic and doesn’t really mean anything.

This [MonsterName] is Mineral / Shade type. Like what the fuck does that even convey? It’s both Crystalline and Ghost like? That’s fucking asinine.

Rock/Ghost is way better, it’s just that, a Rock and a Ghost. Something in the vein of Spiritomb, and Runerigus comes to mind. Pokémon has the best types of any monster battle franchise bar none

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Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 11:36:26 No.47387797 Report

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>>47384955
>Steel outlasts the flying mons with ease, since a lot of flying types suck at handling steel-types
>The Steel-types proceed to either just use their STAB, or an effective coverage move(almost all of them have one)

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Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 11:40:14 No.47387809 Report

Quoted By: >>47387826 >>47387900 >>47388229

>>47387328
>>47387542
>forgetting rock/ice
I thought people on here played Pokémon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 11:50:53 No.47387826 Report

Quoted By: >>47388144 >>47390344

>>47387809
>literally on a SINGLE pokemon
>it's also incredibly forgettable, and not as cool as its counterpart
I don't blame them.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 12:10:41 No.47387900 Report

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>>47387328
>>47387542
>>47387809
>Rock/Fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 12:27:38 No.47387962 Report

Quoted By: >>47387972

>>47387328
Ground Steel isn't bad though

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 12:31:09 No.47387972 Report

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>>47387962
Fucking Alola Diglets, hate them so much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 13:10:13 No.47388144 Report

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>>47387826
>>literally on a SINGLE pokemon
For now. And it be another slow Pokemon that's too fast for Trick Room :^)

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Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 13:29:26 No.47388229 Report

Quoted By: >>47388274

>>47387809
Ice Scales when?

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Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 13:41:55 No.47388274 Report

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>>47388229
Never. Now hand over the Focus Sash and no one gets hurt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 13:58:17 No.47388357 Report

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The actual "X type but worse" is Bug to Flying.

Bug resists Fighting, same as Flying
Bug resists Grass, same Flying
Bug resists Ground but Flying is straight up immune to it
Bug has these 3 resistances whereas Flying also has a resistance to Bug itself
Bug is SE against Grass, same as Flying
Bug is weak to Rock, same as Flying
Bug is weak to Flying itself
Bug is resisted by Steel, same as Flying
Bug is also resisted by 6 more types whereas Flying is only resisted by 2 more types, one of which (Rock) is SE against Bug

Defensively Bug has essentially nothing going for it in comparison to Flying. Offensively it doesn't have much going for it either other than being SE against Dark and Psychic but Flying's advantages easily make up for that. Flying's utility moves and access to reliable recovery also shit on Bug. Bug doesn't even make good use of the best move of its typing since most good U-Turn abusers aside from like Scizor, Genesect and Pheromosa aren't even Bug types.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 14:05:03 No.47388392 Report

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>>47384937
imagine having 5 weaknesses and 4 resistances
steel is better in every way because that shit resists almost everything

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 15:14:04 No.47388941 Report

Quoted By: >>47389014

>>47386495
I like this explanation, it does make sense, but the problem is that GF constantly refer to the type as a defensive powerhouse when it simply isn't. There's a big disconnect between how real-world humans see rock and how it performs in-game, and the games do nothing to abate that.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 15:23:28 No.47389014 Report

Quoted By: >>47389038

>>47388941
Rock WAS the best defensive type in Gen 1. The issue is less to do with Rock itself, and more to do with the fact that Steel is just better.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 15:26:46 No.47389038 Report

Quoted By: >>47389095

>>47389014
>Rock WAS the best defensive type in Gen 1
Yes and no, since there were no pure Rock-types in that gen, it was always altered by another type. But even so,
>The issue is less to do with Rock itself, and more to do with the fact that Steel is just better
Of course you are right here, but what I'm saying is that GF either need to rebalance Rock or stop pretending its defensively exceptional, because as you note, it really hasn't been since gen 1.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 15:34:10 No.47389095 Report

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>>47389038
>but what I'm saying is that GF either need to rebalance Rock or stop pretending its defensively exceptional, because as you note, it really hasn't been since gen 1.
Let's not kid our selves because neither of those two things will happen.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 18:49:29 No.47390344 Report

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>>47387826
>it's also incredibly forgettable, and not as cool as its counterpart
funny how you say that while for me it is incredibly good in lewd. But yet again, I haven't touched XY.

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