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Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 01:28:16 No.47424500 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>47424539 >>47424576 >>47424582 >>47424594 >>47424612 >>47424617

Is it even worth it to invest in HP when ev training? Does it have any effect? If I was ev training a pokemon to be a defensive stall, would it be better to just invest in Def and SpDef?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 01:33:51 No.47424539 Report

Quoted By: >>47424660

>>47424500
Depends, more HP can be helpful for defensive pokemon, especially with things like leftovers that heal fixed percentages.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 01:41:15 No.47424576 Report

Quoted By: >>47424660

>>47424500
Yes. Generally speaking, even for a defensive Pokemon, you want them to be specialized to handle either physical or special attacks, not trying to do everything at once. (This applies to offense too, mixed attackers aren't usually as good as straight Physical/Special attackers.) Investing in HP allows you to maximize your resistance against said type of attack while also soft-buffing your other defense by virtue of HP being a "defensive" stat as well.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 01:42:08 No.47424582 Report

Quoted By: >>47424660

>>47424500
Hp is very important and can be the difference between a ohko or 2hko
>252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike-Gmax Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 252+ Def Umbreon: 290-344 (87.6 - 103.9%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
>252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike-Gmax Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Umbreon: 290-344 (73.6 - 87.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 01:44:01 No.47424594 Report

Quoted By: >>47424660

>>47424500
Look at HP as investing (somewhat) equally in both defenses and then investing the rest in the defensive side you want to really focus on

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Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 01:47:29 No.47424612 Report

Quoted By: >>47424660

>>47424500
You know how Dragon Rage and Sonicboom get less threatening as you level up? That's basically what HP EVs do for Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 01:48:46 No.47424617 Report

Quoted By: >>47424660

>>47424500
you virtually always want to invest in HP.
252 HP gives more of a boost than putting 128 into both your defense stats, unless the pokemon in question is extremely lopsided defensively like wigglytuff.
put simply, 252/128/128 is better than 4/252/252.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 01:56:36 No.47424660 Report

Quoted By: >>47424693 >>47424718 >>47424846

>>47424539
>>47424576
>>47424582
>>47424594
>>47424612
>>47424617

Thanks for the responses guys. I've never ev trained before and I'm trying to learn more about it to maximize the potential of my pokemon in my next playthrough.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a good defensive pokemon? I'm mainly looking for one that can be a mixed defensive but suggestions for pokemon specifically for Physical or Special defense are welcome as well.

I used to play my games with all offensive teams and no ev training which got boring. I really want to build a balanced team next time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 01:59:25 No.47424682 Report

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Hell if we could put max EVs into three stats instead of two, HP would always be maxed unless it's a fast mixed attacker.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 02:00:30 No.47424693 Report

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>>47424660
If you want to be completely defensive, then build a team like this: https://pokepast.es/6b3b5037262790fa

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 02:04:57 No.47424718 Report

Quoted By: >>47424818

>>47424660
We all start somewhere, anon. Good general fatmons might be something like the Slow twins, Ferrothorn, Clefable, Hippowdon, Corviknight, Tangrowth or Amoonguss. They're all bulky but not completely passive for a playthrough, where you won't need stuff like hazards/hazard removal taking up moveslots. If you don't mind sitting on your ass, Toxapex/Chansey or Blissey/Umbreon are good too.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 02:22:28 No.47424818 Report

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>>47424718
May go with Umbreon since it's so cool looking as well

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Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 02:27:56 No.47424846 Report

Quoted By: >>47424851

>>47424660
A small thing to be aware of for every pokemon regardless of defensive abilities- Make sure you always EV train to add one HP if necessary so that their full health at level 100 is an odd number. Even number max HP means you will die one turn sooner to attacks that do damage based on percentages.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 02:29:45 No.47424851 Report

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>>47424846
Holy shit this is actually so helpful. I feel like these are the kinds of PokeTips people actually need to know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 02:41:19 No.47424902 Report

Quoted By: >>47424975

Another question. I want to use my Empoleon as both a defensive tank and a special attacker. Anyone have any suggestions for ev distribution?

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Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 02:57:29 No.47424975 Report

Quoted By: >>47425002 >>47425840

>>47424902
You can run something like this to make use of Empoleon's special bulk. He lacks good recovery moves so you have to either go with leftovers or chesto berry+rest to keep him alive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 03:02:20 No.47425002 Report

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>>47424975
This is roughly the same stat spread I use for my Empoleon, just with less Sp. Atk
I run Aqua Ring + Leftovers for recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 03:11:47 No.47425053 Report

Quoted By: >>47425830

An investment in HP will be usefull against physical AND special attacks rather than having to make the choince between boosting your Defense or Sp. Def

It boosts the effectiveness of heals based on percentage

Targetting a specific amount of HP can give you an extra use of Substitute

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 05:26:18 No.47425830 Report

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>>47425053
I felt like such a genius when I realized my Battle Tower Mence had 160 HP at level 50 so I removed the 4 HP EVs it had and put them on Defense instead
159 HP = 4 Substitutes instead of 3

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Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 05:28:14 No.47425840 Report

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>>47424975
What about if I wanted to boost physical defense and use a move like iron defense as well for additional bulk?

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