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Anonymous Thu 15 Jul 2021 17:54:32 No.47620037 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>47622487 >>47623877 >>47624119

Would you like a rival that adapted to your entire team? Most rivals only have one stationary counter against your starter. You could use gym badges as a flagmarker that registers your gym battle team and then gives your rival appropriate counters.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Jul 2021 17:55:25 No.47620047 Report

Quoted By: >>47621082

> You are challenged by Team Smogon!

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Anonymous Thu 15 Jul 2021 19:59:13 No.47621082 Report

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>>47620047
No

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Anonymous Thu 15 Jul 2021 20:04:20 No.47621126 Report

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an example of a good rival team is hau
sure he uses the starter youre weak too for the first team besides bianca ut eentually he catches you off guard using the eeveelution youre weak to and from then on its harder to solo him whichjust your starter
also his pikachu/raichu is surprisingly good and fi the ai decides not to be retarded it can even take down more powerful pokemon like hawlucha, which is op for most of the game

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Anonymous Thu 15 Jul 2021 23:05:46 No.47622487 Report

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>>47620037
Not their whole team, but I like the idea that their team partially is determined by you. Like when your rival picks the starter that beats yours, or your win/loss record affects how Blue evolves his Eevee in Yellow Version.

Other than that, I mostly just want the main rival team to actually put up some amount of challenge. Type variety, relatively few shared weaknesses, maybe some interesting movesets.

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Anonymous Fri 16 Jul 2021 02:38:27 No.47623743 Report

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bump

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Anonymous Fri 16 Jul 2021 03:08:10 No.47623877 Report

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>>47620037
Hell yes, I've been waiting my entire life for a configurable adaptable battle AI for showdown so I can download it and cut my internet cord and forever be able to play pokemon without fleshies being a dependency.

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Anonymous Fri 16 Jul 2021 03:29:39 No.47623956 Report

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I seriously want an ai to play showdown so I can use it forever and don't have to depend on internet or playerbase existing. How could it be created? One of those generational algorithm neural networks?
Input data:
>the 6 pokemon on your team
>types for each pokemon
>ability for each pokemon
>item for each pokemon
>stats for each pokemon
>gender
>weight
>moveset
>status
>current pokemon in play
>field effects like weather/hazards
>your opponents 6 pokemon
>unknown until revealed
>when revealed, the type for that pokemon
>possible abilities for that pokemon until proven such as a ground move not affecting due to levitate
>possible stat ranges for that pokemon until made more specific such as outspeeding your pokemon or being outsped by your pokemon putting upper/lower limits on them, in combination with ranges where a +/- nature would be deduced
>possible moves for that pokemon until confirmed through its use
>gender when confirmed
>weight when pokemon is known
>status
>item when confirmed
>current opponent pokemon in play
output data:
>which possible move you want your in play pokemon to use this turn or which pokemon in your party to switch to

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Anonymous Fri 16 Jul 2021 03:52:27 No.47624047 Report

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>>47623956
I'm not exactly all-in on knowing how that would work, but you would need the AI to:
>Recognize the parameters of the contest
>Understand all of the interactions between moves, types, abilities, field, weather, gender, etc.
>Know the stats, move pools, etc. of all of the Pokemon
And then presumably if the AI can learn, you would feed it a whole bunch of example matches to help hone its understanding of what behaviors that it can take are more likely to result in victory. It would never be as efficient as a human being, because humans are just better at working out complex information with lots of different types of variables than AI is. But it would be really interesting anyway.

If you asked the AI to fill in all of the information for its team on the go during a battle, it's going to either overspecialize against what it currently assesses as a problem to overcome or brick by spreading itself too thin.

All of this is really to say, team comp is a crapshoot. You'd be better off just using the already existing systems in place for battle facility opponents. The AI for those aren't even all that bad.

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Anonymous Fri 16 Jul 2021 03:56:36 No.47624064 Report

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Is this the "challenge mode" that people want? If so, good.

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Anonymous Fri 16 Jul 2021 03:58:01 No.47624070 Report

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>>47624047
One nice thing is that all of the information about every part of pokemon stats/items/abilities/etc can exist in a static database. I think the tough part would be the training of course. If I was a NEET it would be a fun project to try coding.
>battle facility opponents
They are workable, but they either generalize in dumb ways like "always use strongest move" or specialized such that they are somewhat smarter using their team but can't use other pokemon. And also they aren't able to comprehend 6 team battle strategies like switching very well if at all.

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Anonymous Fri 16 Jul 2021 04:12:03 No.47624119 Report

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>>47620037
That'd be a good way to create difficulty on Pokemon.

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