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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 23:44:42 No.47669972 View View Reply Original Report

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Having an "unbeatable champion" sounds like a cool idea but Leon falls short on multiple accounts.
How would you write an "unbeatable" character in the games?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 23:45:54 No.47669984 Report

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>How would you write an "unbeatable" character in the games?
don't
power level autism is poison to good storytelling and is a great way to damage a franchise

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 23:47:21 No.47669999 Report

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>>47669984
>NOOOOO MY CYNTHIARINO ISN'T THE STRONGEST IN MY FANFIC ANYMORE

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 23:47:48 No.47670006 Report

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>>47669999
take your meds leonschizo

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 23:49:14 No.47670018 Report

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>>47669972
I don't get what you're trying to say, the "unbeatable" shit is just how galar views the current reigning champion.

Just a really strong trainer the region looks up too, that's really it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 23:49:38 No.47670021 Report

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>>47669999
>Nobody mentions Cynthia
>Leonfag seethes about Cynthia

Every single fucking time

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 23:50:03 No.47670023 Report

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He's not unbeatable he was undefeated. A bit of a difference.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 23:50:22 No.47670028 Report

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>>47669972
Basically make them a meta faggot, max EVs/IVs good held items, good movepools including egg moves, and force the finals to be set battle style

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 23:50:50 No.47670032 Report

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>>47669972
You can't. If it's truly unbeatable it defeats the purpose of the game and when you eventually beat them (easily by today) it just looks silly.

Thankful4Thickness

Thankful4Thickness Thu 22 Jul 2021 02:36:20 No.47671321 Report

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You can have it be mentioned that Leon has never been defeated, but don't call him "unbeatable" because that's the whole point of the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 02:41:35 No.47671350 Report

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>>47669972
In terms of personality, make them a smug prick who knows how much better he is than everyone else, so you'd want to see them finally get taken down a peg
In terms of gameplay, have them battle you at an early point (or alongside you vs. 2 grunts) where his Pokemon are grossly overleveled

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 02:44:43 No.47671376 Report

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>>47669972
How is that ever a cool idea? Leons not even a tough fight and hes the "BEST TRAINOR EVA!!A!!" yet the dude is an absolute clown. It just makes everyone seem like a lazy retard, like really? This asshole is the unbeatable champion? Him being so easy yet touted as god himself just makes character like marnie, hop and bede seem even shitter than what they are, and they are already trash tier losers

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 02:57:57 No.47671475 Report

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>>47671376
To be fair, the guy is shilled in a region that glorifies battling to the point that corporate sponsorships are given on masse, Galarians are all about the sport and the hype

You are right in that it makes the rest of the cast look pathetic in comparison

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 03:47:47 No.47671814 Report

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>>47669972
They never say he's "unbeatable", they say he's undefeated. Which is obviously true, because if he had lost, he wouldn't be Champion anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 03:50:17 No.47671822 Report

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>>47671814
This
As a champ he's got a clean record, but nothing indicates the guy's the best in the world or anythinh, only the Ashnime says that, but that thing has enough plotholes already, no need to discredit it further

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 03:58:41 No.47671873 Report

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>>47671376
I think Leon was intended to be an idiot savant of sorts. He's amazing at battling but bad with pretty much everything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 04:05:18 No.47671931 Report

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>>47671814
The English version has a ton of characters call Leon "the unbeatable champion".

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 04:09:51 No.47671954 Report

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>>47671822
They do say he's been champ for a long time relative to past Galar champs, but we don't know how that compares to others outside of Galar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 04:10:43 No.47671958 Report

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>>47669972
>How would you write an "unbeatable" character in the games?
I don't think you can do this when all of the champions lose to the ten year old MC who got their first pokemon five hours ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 04:27:09 No.47672051 Report

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>>47671954
His bio said he's been champion since he was 10 years old. He's most likely been champion for 10-15 years. Leon is pretty much the protagonist of his own adventure until the SwSh protagonist comes along and usurps that position.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 04:31:33 No.47672069 Report

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>>47669999
Rent free Leonspic

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 04:31:49 No.47672071 Report

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>>47669972
>How would you write an "unbeatable" character in the games?
Make them a retired Champion who still travels the region, give them an aura of mature confidence and competence without flat out calling them unbeatable or directly wanking them, and have the antagonists specifically go out of their way to create circumstances that make sure they can't interfere with their plans to imply the threat they pose. Afterwards, you could give them a postgame battle and maybe imply they weren't using their full power.
Leon is shit because his entire character is literally just being Champion (oh, and getting lost, haha so funny), which seems all the more stupid when he gets beaten by the MC who literally got their first Pokemon a few days ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 04:39:10 No.47672122 Report

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>>47672071
Both Leon and MC are trainer prodigies. It would also be impossible to have completed your journey in the span of a few days. The game is an abstraction where the actual journey took weeks or months, since odds are you didn't fully evolve your team in a few days.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 04:40:09 No.47672128 Report

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>>47672071
Alder was shit, anon. Get over it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 04:40:32 No.47672130 Report

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>>47669972
How does he fall short Even in the tag tournament, him and his tag partner are coded to only lose to the player.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 04:41:35 No.47672138 Report

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>>47672128
>don't mention Alder at all
>implying Alder embodies those traits besides being a retired Champ in BW2
holy fucking rent free

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 04:59:19 No.47672236 Report

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>>47669984
I mean, yeah. It's cliche to make an opponent that seems insurmountable, and that can work sometimes. But you generally do want to avoid being completely concrete about things like this if you're making long-term plans, because that hinders your ability to be flexible later.

That's kind of a separate problem from power levels, but I guess they're related. When you establish that someone is "the strongest" then keep replacing that fact with new people being the new strongest, your audience gets obsessed with knowing what's next.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 05:03:08 No.47672245 Report

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>>47669972
>Having an "unbeatable champion" sounds like a cool idea but Leon falls short on multiple accounts.
>How would you write an "unbeatable" character in the games?
having him stay in galar and only be unbeatable there
which is what they did

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 05:07:23 No.47672263 Report

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outside of just slapping new items and moves on their pokemon:
Incorporate mechanics to show how much experience and trust their team has over you, something like opals questions
>"The champions aura is overwhelming!" your pokemon suffers a debuff etc.
>"The champion locked eyes with their pokemon and gave a firm nod...their pokemon received a stat buff!"

have the champion utilize the high friendship buffs the new games have like curing status and surviving KOs

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 05:08:01 No.47672265 Report

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Aren’t all champions (that aren’t your rival) and Elite Four members implied to be undefeated? At least in their debut games. I just realized that isn’t the case in Gen 1 or 2 which is why I put the rival stipulation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 05:10:54 No.47672282 Report

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>>47672265
yeah

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 05:11:14 No.47672285 Report

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>>47672265
>elite four
>implied to be undefeated
lmao where did you get this from?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 05:13:49 No.47672303 Report

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>>47672265
Nigga what?
Gen 1 is literally the only time that truly applies to. There was not even a Champion until Blue stomped everyone and the league was even implied to be a somewhat recently set-up thing, and THE one at that too.
It's only later as the franchise expanded that it just became just another League and the such.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 05:15:10 No.47672316 Report

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>>47672138
>Make them a retired Champion
check
>who still travels the region
check
>give them an aura of mature confidence and competence without flat out calling them unbeatable
check
>and have the antagonists specifically go out of their way to create circumstances that make sure they can't interfere with their plans
check
>Afterwards, you could give them a postgame battle
check

Alder was shit, anon. Get over it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 05:17:11 No.47672328 Report

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>>47672265
>>47672303
The player in DP is implied to be the first trainer since Cynthia to enter the Hall of Fame, which implies she was unbeaten as Champion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 05:17:22 No.47672330 Report

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>>47672303
>Gen 1 is literally the only time that truly applies to.
Steven Cynthia Diantha were all undefeated as champions before the MC

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 05:18:25 No.47672336 Report

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>>47672328
I mean if she wasnt then she wouldnt be champion anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 05:23:59 No.47672369 Report

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>>47672316
Not him, Alder was a great and relatable character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 05:52:29 No.47672485 Report

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>>47670018
Lmao no, the game goes out of its way mutliple times to beat into your brain that leon has literally never once lost a battle in his life. Even his """rival""" gets his ass beat so hard he says he was crazy for thinking he ever had a chance against leon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 07:33:40 No.47672875 Report

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itt: people who would lose to leon (obviously)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 08:12:20 No.47673025 Report

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>>47672336
She's still there when you come for the second time

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Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 13:00:06 No.47674244 Report

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>>47669972
>How would you write an "unbeatable" character in the games?

By giving him an air of cruelty

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 13:05:49 No.47674267 Report

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>>47669972
Give Leon perfect Ev mons

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 16:11:56 No.47675623 Report

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>>47669972
>How would you write an "unbeatable" character in the games?
Make him discover that his matches were rigged in his favor. I thought this would have been interesting for Leon who's very good-natured for an "undefeated champion" yet still very proud and sure of himself. Even if he confirmed that he's a legitimately great trainer anyway, it would be nice to shine a light on the faggotry of beinganaged and marketed as unbeatable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 16:13:22 No.47675635 Report

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I wanted Leon to do a last minute heel turn when he realized he wasn't going to win

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 16:18:27 No.47675674 Report

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>>47675623
This. If they made it so Rose was rigging every match to raise shit tons of money to fund his Eternatus problem he would've been seen as a villian instead of a baby that can't wait one more day. He could've also been funding team Yell to make Marnie and Spikemutt have a bad rep cause they are the only gym to refuse to participate in dynamaxing. Have leon be at least somewhat arrogant too. No one goes that long undefeated without growing a chip on their shoulder and have him be dissapointed in Hop for not living up to his name. Fucking 30 more minutes of talking this shit out would've given us a much better story then the shitshow we got.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 16:29:38 No.47675739 Report

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>>47669972
The former king of a developing region whose glory days of being an empire are long behind him. Now stuck as a figurehead for the region, the best he can do to support the struggling land is become stronger than any before him. Once you come into the picture, he is in his 90s yet his team remains stronger than ever.
In the post-game, he is nowhere to be found but you find his ace in his hometown, standing in front of a grave, before you can fight and catch it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 16:33:24 No.47675739,1 Report Delete

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>>47675674
I want to stab Hop with a kitchen knife because he is not a cute girl like Shauna, Lillie, May or Marnie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jul 2021 16:52:01 No.47675914 Report

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>>47675674
>Have leon be at least somewhat arrogant too. No one goes that long undefeated without growing a chip on their shoulder and have him be dissapointed in Hop for not living up to his name.
I don't feel like this bit is necessary, although I can get behind the rest of your post. I think it would be more appropriate for Leon (if he needs to have a personality flaw) to have a sort of humble hero complex. His pride seems like it would funnel into thoughts that he can save/support everyone sooner than it would make him arrogant. He wouldn't be disappointed in Hop, he would just be more determined that he can make Hop better.

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