>>47837879not an argument
>>47839724>by espeon getting CMs off fasterdoesn't really matter if it gets them off faster if it still just dies doing so, this is also important when factoring in crits which is extremely important for setup mons, most leads of important trainers are slow enough that garde can set up faster than them anyway
>with a godawful movepool,what's so hard about slapping toxic and rest or some shit on it lmao
>do you just spam items constantly in battleyou do know you can set up with all of those mons without recovery or just supplement it with a sitrus or some shit right? and even then i have no idea if the list was made for players who use or don't use items, i'm just defending it against your weird criticisms
>reliably bad, you meanso you've just never used crobat
golbat is great for gardenia if you're not using chimchar and crobat is fantastic for fantina, maylene, barry fights (fly is also not a weak move lol, stop thinking in smogon terms, it's a strong move ingame) various trainer fights around that point and only really starts to lose luster around endgame
>again an awful movepool, you're stuck with fucking magnitude until 45i don't know if you've actually played the game, but you uh, don't really need anything better until that point. yes, gastrodon/quagsire are better, if you don't have those whiscash works perfectly fine as a water/ground type in a region where good grass types aren't that common
>jolteondude it's the best electric type in the game by far, and it's far more powerful than you're giving it credit. play the fucking game and stop googling shit off bulbapedia where you can pretend to win an argument by being a smug dumbfuck on some Mongolian basket weaving board
>>47840949if you're going to try a witty insult you can at least do a bit better than this, steelix and clefable wouldn't be that high
