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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 20:01:37 No.47997788 View View Reply Original Report

Suspiciously specific circumstances unfold, putting you in total control of all creative decisions in Pokémon games. They hired YOU to tear down and rebuild the elemental system from the ground up. What grand sweeping changes will you make to the Type system?

Prepare to hear some very dumb ideas itt, but that's okay. Throw whatever crazy dumb stuff you have at us.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 20:08:46 No.47997864 Report

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>inb4 I'd rename grass to plant

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 20:14:20 No.47997922 Report

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>>47997788
Honestly I'd just change up type matchups a bit.
Slightly buff the arguably shittiest types and slightly nerf the ones that are overbearing.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 20:27:41 No.47998041 Report

Quoted By: >>47998447

- Ice resists Ground, Fairy, Grass, Dragon, and Flying.

- Fairy would resist Dragon instead of being immune to it.

- Rock would resist Bug, Psychic, and itself. Psychic resistance is a reference to "dumb as a rock".

- Bug is super effective against Electric (reference to computer bugs).

- Electric is super effective against Steel (various types are metal are used to conduct electricity like silver and copper).

I'd make Grass super effective against Steel due to how abandoned cars and buildings eventually get covered in vines and various foliage but that would be very bad for Aggron and Bastiodon.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 20:36:38 No.47998117 Report

Quoted By: >>47998459

I would implement 1.5x along with 2x damage. I think it would lessen the need for switching and also help certain types. Probably most of rock and grass would take only 1.5x damage from most of the type they're weak to, not only for balance, but it also helps make more sense like flying on grass and water on rock.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 20:37:00 No.47998123 Report

Quoted By: >>47998459

>>47997788
Erase Ice
Combine Water and Ghost
Add Holy/Light

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 20:51:33 No.47998275 Report

Quoted By: >>47998293 >>47998459

just this, the objectively correct balance changes to types.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 20:53:27 No.47998293 Report

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>>47998275
>fairy not being SE against dragon
May as well never existed.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 21:09:39 No.47998447 Report

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>>47998041
Okay well some of this stuff sounds reasonable/intruiging so I'll throw my 2 cents in.

>Ice resists
As long as the word water doesn't follow after that, I'm good. But 5 new resists is definitely too many even if we're assuming a total Type overhaul. Ice is actually SUPPOSED to be fragile, it's just that the games currently take this way too far and mishandled it.
I can see how each of these resists make logical sense tho, except Fairy, but some are kinda loose. I notice you probably only included Grass with the understanding it would recieve a large buff as well. Grass does NOT need to be resisted more, but Ice obviously logically should resist it. (I know plant roots can break ice but that's a niche thing.) As long as Grass gets a buff in turn it's okay and works very well.

>Rock would resist itself.
Eh...Wouldn't a rock be one of few things hard enough to break a rock? I often say Steel shouldn't resist itself for the same reason—you would need steel or better weapons to get passed steel armor. Also, if you made this change, you are simultaneously nerfing Rock's offensive prowess.
>Bug
Makes sense I guess, again as long as Bug recieves a compensation buff
>Psychic
A reach but I actually don't hate this. Obviously they can pick up rocks with telekinesis no problem but a lot of rocks/gemstones supposedly have properties that protect from psychic power.

>Bug is super effective against Electric
I like this on paper, but this also isn't really a franchise where the electric monsters are high-tech devices—if it was they'd be weak to Water. Almost all of them simply shoot lightning, and Electric really isn't like a Cyber Type or anything like that. Plus, it's very easy to make the opposite case, that Bug should be weak to Electric. But you could make Bug being SE on Electric work if you wanted.

>Electric is super effective against Steel
Nah sorry this one's a blatant misunderstanding of how metal conducts electricity. It should stay neutral.

1/2

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 21:10:48 No.47998459 Report

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2/2

Airplanes are struck by lightning constantly and it's fine because the metal exterior directs the electricity harmlessly away from the interior of the plane. Cars do the same thing, and faraday cages exist too.

>I'd make Grass super effective against Steel due to how abandoned cars and buildings eventually get covered in vines and various foliage
Very large stretch I can't get behind this at all. Clearly if a sentient plant attacks something made of solid metal it won't end in the plant's favor.

>>47998117
I don't hate this but I feel like there must be a better way to do it. It's really important to keep things simple, it would be a nightmare trying to remember what thongs are 1.5x instead of 2x

>>47998123
>Erase Ice
Why? Because it's the same substance as water? Very small brain take, sorry.

>Combine Water and Ghost
What?

>Add Holy/Light
Fine with this if we're assuming a complete overhaul.

>>47998275
Yeah yeah we get it, you're insecure about your masculinity to ridiculous extremes and get irrationally angry and upset about pink and girly things. Advertise it harder why don't you

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 21:15:03 No.47998497 Report

Quoted By: >>47998568

It's never been the types ruining anything. It's move and ability distribution. I would remove almost every ability and replace them with new ones, give shittier pokemon more than one ability at once, and with rare exceptions remove access to non stab moves like thunderbolt and ice beam.

Or add some interesting effects for each type. Maybe ice resists everything for the first hit. Weak water moves can't hurt pure fire types. I don't know. There's all these different creatures but they're all basically the same. They've never really added a new feature in the series. It's just additions to things already there so it would be nice for any change at all.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Aug 2021 21:22:13 No.47998568 Report

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>>47998497
>give shittier pokemon more than one ability at once

I've wanted this for a long time, it would work even better if the second ability needs to be unlocked in or near end-game and isn't just there from the start.

Early route shitmons are indeed designed to be that way for the beginning of the game. But when the game's pretty much done there should be no reason not to throw these shitmons a bone, and giving them exclusive access to 2 abilities is great way of doing it.

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