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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 14:00:53 No.48198931 View View Reply Original Report

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Why don't Pokémon like Magneton, Glalie, Chandelure, Metang etc not have Levitate when they clearly levitate off the ground

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 15:31:46 No.48199520 Report

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Becuase they just don't OK?!?!

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 19:31:38 No.48201469 Report

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>>48198931
Balancing magnezone and magneton would be insane with levatate so they just give magnet rise

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 19:33:57 No.48201482 Report

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>>48198931
they have invisible legs

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 19:36:09 No.48201505 Report

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Levitate should be a condition coded into pokemon and not an ability. For example Magnezone keeps the abilities it has now but it also behaves like it has Levitate. Thoughts?

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 19:50:08 No.48201612 Report

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>>48201505
I was thinking that things like body traits and abilities should be separate.

Shell Armor should be a default on turtlemons for example and have a different ability.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 20:15:54 No.48201810 Report

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>>48201469
Charmander used Ember!
Machop used Karate Chop!

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 20:21:30 No.48201856 Report

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>>48201810
115/95 are not frail anon

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 20:28:33 No.48201900 Report

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>>48201505
>>48201612
undeniably true
anyone who thinks that is broken or complex in anyway needs to realize they've doing the same with types since forever now - with status, prankster, powder moves, etc. all they would need to do is create new internal tags like "float" or "shell" to automate the process.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 20:33:22 No.48201940 Report

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>>48201900
Not a horrible idea. Pokemon has barely scratched the surface. It would be hard to balance, but an Ability system that allows more than one ability, and maybe even a skill tree type system where you can customize your pokemon's passive abilities.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 20:33:48 No.48201943 Report

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>>48201469
No it wouldn't be you retard

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 20:47:05 No.48202064 Report

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Ground type chad here. Fuck you. Tha't will be all

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 20:51:40 No.48202098 Report

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>>48201900
>they've doing the same with types
yeah, with types, meaning it's still tied to actual game mechanics and not "hurr pokemon levitates because it's designed a certain way"

you may as well give stunfisk, eelektross, grapploct, etc water resistance as well just because they look like aquatic animals while you're at it.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 20:55:12 No.48202118 Report

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>>48201469
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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 20:59:24 No.48202154 Report

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>>48202098
Why not? Aquatic could be a body trait that adds a layer of water resist.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 21:00:37 No.48202160 Report

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>>48198931
>why don’t they not have Levitate
based double negative retard

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 21:02:47 No.48202170 Report

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>>48202098
>because they look like aquatic animals while you're at it.
that's a completely different thing though
magnemite literally flies just as well as starly does
you say it's not tied to actual game mechanics, but if there were boons like that applied to groups of pokemon, it WOULD be a game mechanic, and one that would make a lot of sense
in the same vein, yes, making a water resistant group of pokemon would also be a mechanic

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 21:07:14 No.48202198 Report

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>>48202160
Why, we should just get 4chan to add a grammarly filter and then everyone will be happy.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 21:07:38 No.48202203 Report

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>>48202154
>Why not?
Because it's retarded and it just complicates the game with having to memorize more stupid bullshit for no real reason except to please autists.

>>48202170
>that's a completely different thing though
No it isn't.

>just as well as starly does
Starly's animation is it sitting on the ground though. Does that mean Starly takes damage from ground moves now? See how this is an issue you retard?

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 21:07:43 No.48202204 Report

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>>48198931
i wonder what happens in the anime when someone tries to use earthquake against magnemite

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 21:09:05 No.48202211 Report

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>>48201810
You can’t just say the name of a pokemon and an attack retard look at the fucking stats before talking shit

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 21:09:49 No.48202216 Report

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>>48202203
starly can fly whenever it wants. magnemite can fly whenever it wants.
you're the only one who brought up animations

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 21:09:50 No.48202217 Report

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>>48202203
Why not just animate it flying? Problem solved.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 21:11:05 No.48202227 Report

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>>48202216
>starly can fly whenever it wants
Scizor can fly whenever it wants. Does this mean Scizor is immune to ground moves now?

>>48202217
Why not just keep the game as is and keep move relationships tied to actual well defined mechanics? Problem solved.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 21:11:18 No.48202231 Report

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>>48201810
this meme is specifically for double weaknesses newfag

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 21:11:55 No.48202235 Report

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>>48202227
>Why not just keep the game as is and keep move relationships tied to actual well defined mechanics?
What well defined mechanics?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 21:14:53 No.48202252 Report

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>the no fun allowed autist is here

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 21:16:47 No.48202262 Report

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>>48198931
Levitate is an outdated concept for an ability that should be turned into a natural aspect of Pokemon, and could very easily be made a toggleable fighting style mode for all species capable of flight or float if they have any intentions of repurposing the concept from PLA.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 21:21:55 No.48202310 Report

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>>48202203
If ‘aerial’ becomes a trait that causes grounded moves to fail then naturally ‘flying’ types should lose their immunity for a resist or something because there’s no reason why bonemarang or mud shot should fail to hit a flying type.

Also moves like surf should be classified as a grounded move so aerial pokemon would be immune to it as well.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 21:44:44 No.48202445 Report

Quoted By: >>48203163

>>48198931
They don't have enough energy or weightlessness to levitate all the time, the ground attacks start when they land

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 22:37:51 No.48202757 Report

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>>48201900
You would need to do the same for sap sipper, thick fat and all other abilities that chabge type matchup

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 23:17:25 No.48203049 Report

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>>48201810
All Pokémon have weakness anon, just because there would remain one or two weaknesses doesn't make the mon balanced.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 23:19:56 No.48203065 Report

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>>48201505
This is what should be done ofc... And we know they can do it because they have similar code for flying battles and for terrain conditions...

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 23:35:27 No.48203163 Report

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>>48202445
They never land, they're constantly in the air.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 23:37:43 No.48203184 Report

Quoted By: >>48203187

>>48202227
>Scizor can fly whenever it wants

Scizor is incapable of flight

>Its wings are not used for flying. They are flapped at high speed to adjust its body temperature.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 23:38:10 No.48203187 Report

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>>48203184
>Scizor is incapable of flight
Go look at its running animation in Swooshie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 23:42:28 No.48203229 Report

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Battles in the games are abstractions. Obviously stuff like Beedrill and Magnezone wouldn't actually get hit by Earthquake since they're in the air, but the game can't account for every possible variable in a battle, so as far as the game is concerned, since they're neither Flying type nor have Levitate, the move is registered as successful.

It's just one of those things you're supposed to right off as game mechanics, and assume it wouldn't actually work in a "real" battle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 23:51:26 No.48203313 Report

Quoted By: >>48204898

>>48202227
Individually programming units as "grounded" or "airborne" is something games have managed just fine for decades, even a few Pokemon games have done it.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 23:58:07 No.48203364 Report

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>>48201612

This. Have a system called Traits where a specific Pokemon has a certain chance of having that Trait, ranging from 100% to a low number like 10%. Here are some of the Abilities that I think would make good Traits:

100% on applicable mons
>Levitate

50% on applicable mons
>Big Pecks
>Hyper Cutter
>Shell Armor
>Bulletproof
>Clear Body
>Compound Eyes
>Cursed Body

10% on applicable mons
>Serene Grace
>Weak Armor

Varies by species
>Heavy Metal
>Light Metal

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 00:55:38 No.48203664 Report

Quoted By: >>48207067

>>48198931
Idea
>Rename Ground and Flying types to “Earth” and “Air” types respectfully.
>Remove Air type’s immunity to Earth type attacks
>Remove Levitate and give those Pokemon better abilities
>All pokemon either have a “Ground” or “Flying” attribute to depict whether they are on the ground or floating in the air
>All pokemon with the “flying” attribute will be able to dodge Earth-type attacks
>Flightless birds/Air-types will then still be hit by Earth-type moves

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 00:59:07 No.48203684 Report

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>>48202154
The problem with Aquatic is that you’re not really going to be battling on a water route 100% of the time. Your water pokemon will be on land most of the time you use them in battle.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 04:08:25 No.48204833 Report

Quoted By: >>48207187

>>48198931
Better question: How do Pokemon like Butterfree, Mantyke, Shaymin (sky), Rowlet, and Minior avoid ground type damage when they don't have access to Levitate or Fly?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 04:20:06 No.48204898 Report

Quoted By: >>48207007

>>48203313
>Individually programming units as "grounded" or "airborne" is something games have managed just fine for decades,
You mean like "Flying-type or has Levitate" and "not Flying-type and doesn't have Levitate"? Pokemon does that already you autist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 12:55:56 No.48206702 Report

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>>48201469
Not really

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 14:00:49 No.48207007 Report

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>>48204898
Except there are airborne Pokemon that aren't Flying type and don't have Levitate, and grounded Pokemon that do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 14:14:05 No.48207067 Report

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>>48203664
>Remove Levitate and give those Pokemon better abilities
Being immune to one of the strongest and most common attacks is already one of the best abilities in the game. It's literally only bad on Carnivine because it already resists Ground but Carnivine would be a shitmon either way.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 14:24:44 No.48207136 Report

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>>48202098
Tying mechanics to design rather than type or ability is something that's been in game since gen 5. Telekinesis flat-out doesn't work on Diglett, Dugtrio, Mega Gengar, Sandygast, or Pallosand because there's no logical way for them to be lifted into the air.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 14:30:12 No.48207170 Report

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>>48201505
Furthermore divide ground type attacks like magnitude, EQ, and Earth Power from ones like mud-slap and remove flying’s immunity to the latter. It makes sense for a bird to dodge an earthquake it makes no sense for a bird to dodge thrown mud.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 14:31:17 No.48207173 Report

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>>48202118
Thanks, counting count

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 14:35:14 No.48207187 Report

Quoted By: >>48207228

>>48204833
Learning Fly requires you to be able to carry a trainer, doesn't mean Butterfree is incapable of flight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 14:42:23 No.48207228 Report

Quoted By: >>48207247 >>48207429

>>48207187
A Pokemon doesn't need to "learn" how to carry a trainer, that's something they either can or can't do depending on their size. Same deal with carrying a trainer across water

There's no way a Pidgey can carry their trainer

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 14:45:56 No.48207247 Report

Quoted By: >>48207271 >>48207276,1

>>48207228
Yeah you don't need to train animals to be ridden, you can just hop on the back of any old horse or camel or whatever and be fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 14:49:46 No.48207271 Report

Quoted By: >>48207276

>>48207247
Pokemon aren't animals.

kaloi kagathoi

kaloi kagathoi Wed 15 Sep 2021 14:50:39 No.48207276 Report

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>>48207271
Cope

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 14:54:26 No.48207276,1 Report Delete

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>>48207247
I will stab rival Hop with a kitchen knife because he is not female.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 15:13:50 No.48207429 Report

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>>48207228
yeah that was my point

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 15:24:59 No.48207504 Report

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>>48201505
>>48198931
Like this guy said. Levitate should be its own stat and flying should be wind type.

Giving some floating pokemon Levitate but not others is strange.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 15:43:46 No.48207610 Report

Quoted By: >>48207631

>>48198931
They realized Levitate was a logistical mistake when so many pokemon can be argued to receive Levitate, and just started making moves like Telekinesis and Magnet Rise as conceptual consolation prizes.
Now we're left with flying=/Flying and levitating=/Levitate type of autism, and a handful or random Ghost and Psychic types with Levitate in Gen 3.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 15:46:38 No.48207631 Report

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>>48207610
The worst case is Gengar. It had always been shown to float around, so giving it Levitate made sense. Then Gen 7 comes around and takes way Levitate in favor of Cursed Body, but it STILL levitates anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 15:49:05 No.48207645 Report

Quoted By: >>48207673

>>48201469
Rhyperior used Smack Down
Magnezone used Flash Cannon
Rhyperior endured the hit with Focus Sash
Rhyperior used Earthquake

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 15:52:12 No.48207673 Report

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>>48207645
>Focus Sash on Rhyperior

Post ELO

Focus Sash is a meme item that was only used for suicide leads and Mimikyu

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