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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 21:32:11 No.48391777 View View Reply Original Report

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I am making this thread to create a safe space for Kalos and Galar zoomers to spread their narratives about how XY & SwSh somehow aren't the worst games this franchise has ever seen. Common sensefags, please go easy on them, they can get quite feisty and go on tantrums, as you're likely to see now. This thread is for them though, so let's see what the Zoomers are really capable of!

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 21:33:08 No.48391789 Report

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>>48391777
Nice trips, but you’re a moron

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 21:34:29 No.48391798 Report

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>ss bad bekuz i cant use gligar

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 21:35:06 No.48391807 Report

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>48391789
Well, the cope had begun, everyone! I wish you all a good thread! So long! Well, for now....

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 21:41:24 No.48391839 Report

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>>48391777
I'm 30 years old, not a zoomer, I grew up playing pokemon Blue version, then red, then yellow followed by Silver, Gold, and Crystal and Ruby and Emerald into Pearl and Platinum, stopping at that point and not playing gen 5 until I emulated it years later, same for the games that came after, and I will stand in defense of XY and SwSh as not the worst games in the franchise.

X and Y are basically just a repaint of Gen 1 without any of the glitches, bugs, bad programming, shitty spritework, or false sense of an open world. Playing X and Y made me feel like I did the first time I played pokemon Blue - and I feel like this was by design. Notice that the X and Y are blue and red in color - the same colors as the first two US released pokemon games. It's a soft reboot of the franchise, down to adding a new mechanic which I found fun - Mega Evolution. Now I know it makes compfags seethe and mald but their opinions mean jack shit to me because they spit in the face of the idea of pokemon as a franchise and reduce it to a pure numbers game, so their opinions can be safely disregarded. It also introduced the Fairy type, something that hadn't been done since gen 2 and something that expanded movepools for some fan favorite pokemon (not /vp/'s because /vp/ only likes obscure shitmons because they're contrarian retards with no taste). Its postgame: Lacking, which is why I compare it to gen 1. Gen 1 had basically the same postgame as Gen 6. Gen 6 is basically a soft reboot done in the style of gen 1, for good and for ill. I think, overall, it was done well enough that any issues it has are overshadowed by the new additions, gameplay tweaks, and straightforward story akin to the older games that isn't as up its own ass as Gen 5's was - one of my main issues with gen 5.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 21:47:02 No.48391875 Report

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>>48391777
>>48391839
Now, Sword and shield.

Sword and Shield, at launch, WERE the worst games in the franchise. They had glaring issues - namely, that the game would BRICK YOUR CONSOLE. Years later after several patches and updates and the addition of DLC, from what I've seen of it - I haven't had the chance to play them yet - it seems to be a competent if easy pokemon game. Its biggest issue is it shares the same issue I have with USUM - the tutorial drags on too fucking long. However, from what I've seen it at least looks fun - it innovates with the gym puzzles making the gyms actually more interesting than a simple ice or block puzzle or a trainer gauntlet. Its pokedex is a sort of "best of" of the franchise, while also adding in new pokemon most of which are pretty neat. The dex cut isn't ideal - I'd have rather it not happened at all - but it's not as brutal as you think, at least it isn't in my eyes because they kept most of my favorite pokemon in the dex and those that were cut got worthy replacements in my eyes. The starters are pretty hit or miss, but I've felt that way since gen 2. It also offers customization on par with the previous two games, which I like. Furthermore, the quality of life changes are sublime - the name rater in the pokemon center is nice even if it isn't a major change. Isle of Armor is interesting too - I like the new Legendary Bird forms, especially Zapdos, and while not intentional, the design of Calrex makes me laugh at the meme potential. I've seen that "Mom said it's my turn on the xbox" image and burst out laughing too many times now.

But we aren't done, because I'm going to lay into my candidates for the worst games in the franchise in my next post.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 21:53:22 No.48391918 Report

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>>48391777
>>48391839
>>48391875
Candidate 1: RSE.
Between a very lacking roster of mons, the first dex cut where you're outright barred from gaining access to several Gen 1 and 2 pokemon due to the different hardware without having a bunch of extra games, gameboys, a whole other console, and peripherals and pouring time into THOSE as well, a backend that forces you to carry pokemon that know all of the HMs other than Rock Smash, Flash, and Fly just to finish the fucking game, the obnoxious puzzles, the need to either blow a ton of cash on repels or become intimately familiar with Tentacool, the retarded double gym, and the pathetic champions (Steven and Wallace respectively), Gen 3 made my shitlist as early as its release. I recall despising the games to the point I played them signifigantly less than GSC or RBY. I do not like Hoenn at all, and ORAS just amplifies all the issues I have with them.

Candidate 2: SM/USUM
US is the only game in the franchise I have played but not completed. Why? Because the game drags on with a massive forced tutorial at the start leading into a boring city to boot. Maybe it gets better; I will never know because I can't bring myself to force myself through the tutorial. THe rotom dex is annoying as fuck and a stupid gimmick, they straight-up ditch mega evolution for a new, worse gimmick, the characters are annoying as fuck, and the pokemon selection is pretty bad out of the gate.

overall, USUM/SM are my vote for the worst games because they're so boring and bad that I can't even be bothered to play past the first city. At least I was able to finish RSE and OR.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 22:36:46 No.48392158 Report

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>>48391839
>>48391875
>>48391918
didn't read
XY and SS are trash

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 22:43:28 No.48392195 Report

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Swooshkino is a level of soul that hasn't been scene in nearly 2 decades. A brilliant game that allows so much agency in what pokemon you can use as there are potentially hundreds of options before the first gym. The overworld makes it feel more alive than most pokemon games as you can actually interact with pokemon and choose which ones you actually want to run into. For this reason, it's probably the best game for shiny hunting. Unlike low quality pokemon games like the entirety of gen 4, it is actually experimental and works to become it's own game instead of just copy pasting the game before it, reshape the landscape a bit and sell it for full price. Galar is a unique experience with its wild area concept, original characters and lore. Then there's raiding which adds a whole new way of battling that is unseen before and is arguably harder as it relies on everyone being good rather than just one person. Meanwhile, it is not afraid to toss out pointless clutter that no one uses like the move ice ball for content that people can actually notice. The replacement of Megas for Dynamax was probably one of the best decisions in pokemon history. Megas were ugly, only giving to snowflakemons, were way too edgy looking, had a dumb lore than arguably conflicts with established lore and didn't change the game at all since a mega pokemon is basically a wannabe legendary. Dynamax on the other hand are available to every pokemon and was a gamechanger in doubles. It's available to every mon and objectively makes 98% of the pokemon look naturally cooler. This makes sense if you look at it this way:A normal dog is just a normal dog. An overly spiky dog with rabbies is too cluttered. A giant parade-size float of a dog is cool. Bigger is always better. SS also has the best 3rd version in pokemon as it gives two regions worth of content and unlike a third version, doesn't try to fix the past but instead focuses on making its own adventure.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 22:54:21 No.48392267 Report

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>>48391875
The bricking consoles thing was a hoax, it only happened with defective SD cards.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 22:58:49 No.48392303 Report

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>>48392158
Then die ignorant like the fool you are.

>>48392267
Then aside from that, I can't particularly see any real objective issues with it. Sure some stuff won't be to everyone's taste but I think there's enough there from what I've seen to say it's not the worst. Not the best, but not the worst by far. Again I think that goes to USUM.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 23:00:58 No.48392319 Report

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>>48391777
>xy bad
nice meme unovabortion.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 23:01:10 No.48392320 Report

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>>48391875
>>48391918
$30 DLC that adds shit that should've been in the base game and is STILL missing 200+ Pokemon and entire battle mechanics does not "fix" SWSH, it's still the worst game in the franchise.

>the first dex cut
This is where I completely disregard everything you have to say, RS and SWSH are not comparable. RS was an absolute necessity due to the hardware just flat out not fucking working yet they still had the decency TO INCLUDE ALL OF THEM IN THE FUCKING DATA SO YOU COULD STILL OBTAIN THEM IN THOSE GAMES THROUGH OTHER MEANS. Meanwhile SWSH was completely needless as a result of rushed and mismanaged development because they couldn't bring themselves to miss a release year.

XY were perfectly serviceable though, they were the last Pokemon games released that I truly loved. Great fucking time all around and I'm still salty we never got an expanded version.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 23:07:38 No.48392360 Report

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>>48392320
>$30 DLC that adds shit that should've been in the base game
It's more content either way, and it's pretty good from what I've seen.
>and is STILL missing 200+ Pokemon
Subjective issue, ignored.
>entire battle mechanics does not "fix" SWSH
Name one battle mechanic it added that wasn't in the base game.
>This is where I completely disregard everything you have to say,
Then die ignorant like the fool you are.
>RS was an absolute necessity due to the hardware just flat out not fucking working
They could have made something to make it work or simply had something like the Pal Park in gen 4 since the GBA could play GB/GBC games.
>still had the decency TO INCLUDE ALL OF THEM IN THE FUCKING DATA SO YOU COULD STILL OBTAIN THEM IN THOSE GAMES THROUGH OTHER MEANS.
As I said, was a fucking chore to do. You had to play two mediocre Gamecube games to 100% completion as well as two mediocre remakes of GB games just to get all the pokemon, and even then you'd be short some mythicals unless you managed to get the events. Couldn't even get Jirachi unless you pre-ordered Colosseum or played an obscure spinoff game to 100% completion
>Meanwhile SWSH was completely needless as a result of rushed and mismanaged development
It was needed then, they had rushed and mismanaged development. You literally excused them in the same breath you condemned them. It also doesn't stop RSE from being complete dogshit in other ways, the dexcut is just the diarrhea icing on the shit cake.
>XY were perfectly serviceable though, they were the last Pokemon games released that I truly loved.
X and Y again are just gen 1 but done without the buggy, glitchy, poorly programmed, ugly mess that was Gen 1.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 23:08:27 No.48392365 Report

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>>48392320
>$30 DLC that adds shit that should've been in the base game
You can say this about every first version. Stop being dishonest and im not reading the rest.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 23:10:32 No.48392380 Report

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Swoosh is the only games with decent stuff to keep doing once you finish the main quest.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 23:20:44 No.48392431 Report

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>>48392360
>that format
Knew you were the SWSH shill that's been shitting up this board for two years now, you're so transparent.

>>48392365
You're the one being dishonest, definitive re-releases don't require you to buy the original game on top of what you're paying, and yes waitfags do indeed exist and have existed every since third versions became a thing.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 23:22:53 No.48392448 Report

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>>48392431
>Knew you were the SWSH shill that's been shitting up this board for two years now, you're so transparent.
Wrong, I've only been browsing /vp/ for about two weeks now.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 23:23:34 No.48392453 Report

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>>48392431
>You're SUPPOSE to pander towards people that don't buy half your games. Not the ones buying them.
Stop it. These people are cancer to the franchise.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 23:29:53 No.48392483 Report

Quoted By: >>48392503

>>48392448
You're not fooling anyone.

>>48392453
>moving the goalposts
If you want my actual opinion, how about not making a shit game to begin with instead of expecting people to wait for a better release or shell out another $30. SWSH is a low effort pile of shit, deal with it.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 23:32:52 No.48392503 Report

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>>48392483
>You're not fooling anyone.
The only person trying to fool anyone is you. You're fooling yourself, schizo. Meds, now.
>how about not making a shit game to begin with instead of expecting people to wait for a better release
Pokemon has literally always had a two-game structure and you still need all three games to get all the pokemon because trading pokemon has been a core feature of this franchise since its inception. In fact, trading is the thing that birthed Pokemon. You're never going to get a single game release that has all the pokemon in the dex on it, because that defeats the point of pokemon you lonely incel. Go outside and make some friends already, christ.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 23:35:28 No.48392519 Report

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>>48392503
>meds, schizo, etc.
>conflating dexcuts with version exclusives
Yup, it's you alright. I'm done here, not even gonna bother replying to your retarded ass anymore.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Oct 2021 23:38:38 No.48392536 Report

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>>48392519
>conflating dexcuts with version exclusives
Goddamn you really are a schizo if you think I'm doing that. You said "Wait for a better release" referring to third versions, which have never had 100% of the dex and still require you to own one or both of the other games to get a full dex. That's a completely separate issue from dexcut which is a subjective problem because unlike you I don't whine and cry and throw a baby fit because I can't get my favorite pokemon - though SwSH does have almost all of my favorites bar Heracross, so again subjective issue, not a problem for me because I like enough of the new additions that I can sub them in and make new favorites if I ever get around to playing SwSh.
>Yup, it's you alright.
A newfag to the board? Yeah that's me. Think otherwise? Meds, now.
>not even gonna bother replying to your retarded ass anymore.
You're the retard dude, you think everyone is some boogeyman out to get you. Take your fucking meds, christ.

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