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Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:26:15 No.48621527 View View Reply Original Report

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Which gen gets the most meme criticism
Gen 1
>glitches are unavoidable
Gen 2
>gym leaders have to use new pokemon
Gen 3
>There are too many water routes
Gen 4
>I cant play without fire types
Gen 5
>I cant sequence-break gym leaders or need to backtrack.
>theme park game design
Gen 6
>bloated regional dex
Gen 7
>Ride pokemon dont feel adventurous.
>It feels like a tour guide
Gen 8
>Natdex

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:28:55 No.48621546 Report

Quoted By: >>48622132

>>48621527
Hoenn water routes and Kalos bloated dex are actually great, wtf are those retards taliking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:29:30 No.48621552 Report

Quoted By: >>48621562 >>48621567 >>48621588 >>48621633 >>48624983

>>48621527
>glitches are unavoidable
>There are too many water routes
>I cant sequence-break gym leaders or need to backtrack.
>theme park game design
>bloated regional dex
>Ride pokemon dont feel adventurous.
>It feels like a tour guide
>Natdex
These are valid criticisms.
>gym leaders have to use new pokemon
>I cant play without fire types
This is autism.

tldr: Johto and Sinnoh are the peak of Pokémon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:31:02 No.48621562 Report

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>>48621552
>more pokemon = bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:31:56 No.48621567 Report

Quoted By: >>48621759

>>48621552
>>gym leaders have to use new pokemon
i think it's valid criticism

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:32:59 No.48621574 Report

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>>48621527
>Gen 1: glitches are unavoidable
>Gen 8: Natdex
These aren’t meme criticisms.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:34:34 No.48621588 Report

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>>48621552
you are a smelly gaytard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:38:30 No.48621615 Report

Quoted By: >>48621630 >>48621651 >>48621713

>>48621527
Gen 6, by far. It’s like people can’t find legitimate objective flaws so they just grasp at bullshit like
>uhhh I can’t remember it and uhhh pacing bad and uhhhh they didn’t sell me the same game again but with zygarde on the box

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:40:08 No.48621630 Report

Quoted By: >>48621638

>>48621615
>I can’t remember it
XY in a nutshell. Unremarkable in every facet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:40:30 No.48621633 Report

Quoted By: >>48625100

>>48621552
Glitches are avoidable in gen I though, as in, the actual ones that make you unable to play.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:40:32 No.48621634 Report

Quoted By: >>48621649 >>48621662 >>48621848 >>48621852

>>48621527
Easily 1 and 5

Gen 1 actually plays really well, at least on Virtual Console. It's got some interesting early-installment traits as well.

Gen 5's dumbest meme criticism isn't the backtracking, it's the thing about the gyms only using three Pokemon as if it matters given that their improved AI makes nearly all of them more challenging than at least two of their predecessors.

You're right though, the Gym Leaders don't use new Pokemon meme in Gen 2 is wack. They don't need to use new Pokemon, but some of them need better teams in a general sense, like Bugsy. Bugsy not having a Butterfree or a Beedrill is more or less inexcusable. I like that he doesn't have Heracross because it makes it something special for the player.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:40:57 No.48621638 Report

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>>48621630
Thanks for proving my point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:41:52 No.48621644 Report

Quoted By: >>48621657

Gen 1 isn't even notably buggy for its time but over a decade+ of people being conditioned to hate it has resulted in the games having the reputation of Busby 3D

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:41:56 No.48621645 Report

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>>48621638
Thanks for accepting his criticism of Gen 6.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:42:09 No.48621649 Report

Quoted By: >>48621657

>>48621634
>improved AI
Using status moves pointlessly is improved AI?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:42:17 No.48621651 Report

Quoted By: >>48621666 >>48621686

>>48621615
I would certainly say it's a bad thing that almost every Gym Leader from Gen 6 can't be recalled off the top of a poster's head without the use of google compared to Gen 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, and 8.

XY are cool and have nice designs, but they are some of the weakest installments in Pokemon next to maybe RSE.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:42:55 No.48621655 Report

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>>48621645
Leech seed does more damage while toxic I'm going insane!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:43:07 No.48621657 Report

Quoted By: >>48621664 >>48621667 >>48621811

>>48621644
Oh, oh boy... you have no fucking idea.

>>48621649
It's better than the fact that most Pokemon AI literally just uses moves without any regard to fucking TYPING, and also that it's random a large majority of the time for basic AI which... even a basic trainer should know that's not hte case.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:44:04 No.48621662 Report

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>>48621634
>Gen 1 actually plays really well, at least on Virtual Console.
The game isn’t unplayable, but it’s riddled with bugs and programming mistakes that are unavoidable and affect the core game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:44:10 No.48621664 Report

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>>48621657
why would you even respond to this bait.

If Gen 5 comes up and the next post is
>doing x is better?
Or any variation thereof, it's bait.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:44:39 No.48621666 Report

Quoted By: >>48621690

>>48621645
He didn’t make any criticism of Gen 6.

>>48621651
I can remember the Gym Leaders fine. “I can’t remember it” is an incredible non-argument.

>they are the weakest installments
Not very convincing when people repeatedly fail to make arguments to substantiate this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:44:40 No.48621667 Report

Quoted By: >>48621776

>>48621657
>Oh, oh boy... you have no fucking idea.
Gen I isn't buggy as far as the player is concerned.
You can go through the game completely fine and not even notice that some stuff is kinda bugged, but nothing you will ever notice unless somebody tells you.
Of course if you go out of your way to break it, that's another story, but that's the entertaining part of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:47:32 No.48621686 Report

Quoted By: >>48621695

>>48621651
I don't recall any of the gym leaders names from gen 2 onwards, hell I can barely remember the names of the champions

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:47:51 No.48621690 Report

Quoted By: >>48621722

>>48621666
>I can remember the Gym Leaders fine.
Well yeah, because you're a six fan.

>“I can’t remember it” is an incredible non-argument.
Please stop using stupid terms like non-argument. Most things posted here are arguments in at least the most technical sense. You just think that what I said is subjective and can't be backed up with evidence. But it's still an argument.

Also, it's not, "I can't remember it," specifically. There was a thread a while back where the OP challenged the posters to do it. Lots of anons could only get one or two compared to every other region.

>Not very convincing when people repeatedly fail to make arguments to substantiate this.
People have made tons of arguments about why they're shit over the years. You're either new, or being willfully ignorant of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:48:25 No.48621695 Report

Quoted By: >>48621712

>>48621686
Then you clearly don't belong here, lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:49:56 No.48621702 Report

Quoted By: >>48621725

>>48621527
All of them are wrong,, also glitches unavoidable? LOL.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:52:28 No.48621712 Report

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>>48621695
It's useless information

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:52:30 No.48621713 Report

Quoted By: >>48621715 >>48624452

>>48621615
name one city besides Lumiose from Kalos without looking up

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:53:06 No.48621715 Report

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>>48621713
You're replying to the kalos autist, don't entertain him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:54:02 No.48621722 Report

Quoted By: >>48621768 >>48621780

>>48621690
>Well yeah, because you're a six fan.
Well no, it’s because I have a working brain that can recall things that it encountered in the past.

> Please stop using stupid terms like non-argument.
It’s not a stupid term if it’s accurate.

>But it's still an argument.
It’s a non-argument. An argument that’s so meaningless it effectively isn’t an argument.

>Lots of anons
How is this relevant to the game’s objective quality? Is everything past gen 1 instantly bad because the vast majority of people on the planet don’t remember or care about any pokemon past gen 1?

>People have made tons of arguments
No they haven’t.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:54:39 No.48621725 Report

Quoted By: >>48621741 >>48624407

>>48621702
How do you avoid 1/256?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:57:09 No.48621741 Report

Quoted By: >>48621748

>>48621725
By never happening for real, maybe once in several playthroughs.
Or assuming it's an intended feature of the game since it affects nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 10:58:36 No.48621748 Report

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>>48621741
>By never happening for real, maybe once in several playthroughs
You haven’t played the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 11:00:54 No.48621759 Report

Quoted By: >>48622143

>>48621567
Explain why Gym Leaders HAVE to use new Pokémon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 11:02:29 No.48621768 Report

Quoted By: >>48621781

>>48621722
>Well no, it’s because I have a working brain that can recall things that it encountered in the past.
But it's not because of that.

If someone can recall other things they've encountered in the past and not these specific things, it means these specific things were underwhelming. Forgettable. They didn't leave an impression. There was no impetus to retain information about them. Which, for a game, means they weren't entertaining. Which is a failing of a game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 11:04:11 No.48621776 Report

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>>48621667
Okay but you do still get pissed at those bugs regardless.
Focus Energy was really annoying, and constant criticals from really fast Pokemon was equally annoying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 11:04:41 No.48621780 Report

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>>48621722
reply baiting retard, PLEASE fuck off, gen six is TRASH

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 11:04:50 No.48621781 Report

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>>48621768
>But it's not because of that
Yes it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 11:09:25 No.48621811 Report

Quoted By: >>48621822

>>48621657
Case in point, you've been conditioned by memes and a jpg to hate gen 1 for flaws that weren't even unique to it. If Pokemon fans weren't mentally stunted manchildren/actual children, they'd play other classic 90's JRPGs like FF7 or SMT1 and realize that not only are the bugs and balance issues present in gen 1 massively overstated, but it's kind of impressive that the game isn't even more broken than it is. A developer as incompetent as Game Freak making their very first JRPG with 151 customizable party members to choose from could have resulted in a genuinely awful game, and instead it was a massive success that went on to spawn one of the biggest entertainment franchises in the world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 11:11:13 No.48621822 Report

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>>48621811
Oh I hate all JRPGs with those types of bullshit flaws. If you're going to play unfairly, I'm not going to be happy, REGARDLESS of what technical feats you start pulling of your fucking ass. Make a god damn game first, not a tech demo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 11:14:54 No.48621848 Report

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>>48621634
>gyms only using three Pokemon
Yeah, I dont get it either
>Type chart tutorial but would have been cool as a triple/rotation battle
>Retaliate and hypnosis
>Burgh is a joke
>Volt Switch, static and flying types
>Bulldoze lowers your speed and Excadrill is a beast
>Purposely handicapt team of shitmons that dont abuse Air Slash flinch trap. Should have been a triple battle.
>Ice is always a joke
>Revenge on a slow druddigon with a 120 attack stat. Assurance on a slow Fraxure with a 117 attack stat. Dragon dance + dragon tail cheese
E4
>Shauntal is just using 2 ghost that hit hard and 2 that are bulky
>STONE EDGE, Retaliate
>Grimsley is a joke
>Caitlin just hits hard but is a joke if Musharna does not setup reflect or if Focus blast misses
>Alder is a joke

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 11:15:36 No.48621852 Report

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>>48621634
>gen 5
>improved a.i.
What are you basing this on? Not sure where this idea comes from, I've seen other anons mention this but I haven't seen any evidence of this. DP had random a.i. as a weird oversight, but Platinum and hgss actually had pretty good a.i. that could switch if they couldnt touch you, use supereffective moves unless you were at low hp where they would use a less effective move to finish you off, and actually pull off move combos decently well. I didn't notice any improvements or changes to it in black and white or the sequels. Do you have any proof to back this up? It seems kind of like cope for the valid criticism of not only the gym leaders having small teams but also the fucking elite 4 only having 4 mons each initially.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 11:59:10 No.48622132 Report

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>>48621546
RS surf speed is slow

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 12:00:36 No.48622143 Report

Quoted By: >>48622155

>>48621759
Because it helps introduce the region and establishes them as part of the world. There is no reason for Falkner to not have Hoothoot it’s literally not that far from him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 12:02:55 No.48622155 Report

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>>48622143
Pidgey fits Falkner more than Hoothoot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 12:03:22 No.48622159 Report

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>>48621527
>Gen 1
>>glitches are unavoidable
You can say that again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 13:31:01 No.48622732 Report

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RBY being glitchy is the biggest zoomer tell ever. Unless you specifically go out of your way to break the game you'll never ever encounter any of it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 16:07:27 No.48624407 Report

Quoted By: >>48624932

>>48621725
By not actually doing it? I know the mew glitch goves you a lot of unobtainable pokemon, but you need a guide to see which trainers give you mons, and who pulls out missigno.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 16:10:16 No.48624452 Report

Quoted By: >>48624920

>>48621713
not the same Anon but
Anistar
Snowbelle
Couriway
Shalour
Cyllage
Santalune

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 16:43:39 No.48624920 Report

Quoted By: >>48625112

>>48624452
not him but I'm actually impressed, assuming you didn't look it up of course. I vaguely remember Shalour as the third gym city (I think), X and Y is the one I've replayed the least though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 16:44:43 No.48624932 Report

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>>48624407
Are you retarded? You clearly don’t know what’s being discussed, and you clearly don’t know anything about gen 1.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 16:48:21 No.48624983 Report

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>>48621552
>ride pokemon don't feel adventurous
This is a valid criticism to you, but fire isn't? Retard kid me noticed it on DP, so I'm sure the entire world did too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 16:53:45 No.48625074 Report

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>>48621527
>glitches
And?
>gym leaders
Have yoh seen johto pokemon movepools and stats? You're still barely paying attention.
>Water!
Repels!
>Fire types
Oh no, all those grass and bug types, and the 3 mandatory bronzors, oh noooo
>sequence breaks
Give me one valid reason to go out of my way to beat kanto's gyms out of order
>theme park
Yeah.
>Not adventurous
What the fuck does that even mean?
>Natdex
Damn if only i had literally over a decade of other games to enjoy my ariados in
Almost all of these are completely fucking stupid and not even the biggest issues of their games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 16:54:31 No.48625087 Report

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>>48621527
Gen 5 gets no meme criticism because it's all real. Gen 5 is just that shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 16:55:15 No.48625100 Report

Quoted By: >>48625127 >>48625202 >>48625263

>>48621633
>it doesn’t count if it’s not gamebreaking!!!

Nigga they use the wrong Pokemon cry in the new game cutscene
Psychic types are nearly invincible without a random Bug type on your team because they forgot to code the Ghost weakness properly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 16:56:23 No.48625112 Report

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>>48624920
I can do some of the towns too
Ambrette
Camphrier
Geosenge
Pokémon Village

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 16:56:33 No.48625114 Report

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>>48621527
Gen 6 is too easy
>3 moves per pokemon

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Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 16:57:43 No.48625127 Report

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>>48625100
>Nigga they use the wrong Pokemon cry in the new game cutscene
Moon and Ultra Moon use the wrong cry in the cutscene right before you fight Totem Raticate

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 17:02:25 No.48625202 Report

Quoted By: >>48625231

>>48625100
The strongest bug type move in the game is 40 base power on a poison type with 75 speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 17:04:20 No.48625231 Report

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>>48625202
the only viable Bug move is Jolteon’s Pin Missile

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 17:06:27 No.48625263 Report

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>>48625100
>because they forgot to code the Ghost weakness properly
And there are people delusional enough to say Gen 1 isn’t a glitchy mess

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 17:11:59 No.48625332 Report

Quoted By: >>48625441

There are 2 1/2 bosses in gen 1 using psychic types. In a game where endgame bosses are still rocking poison sting and scratch, they need all the difficulty they can get. Nobodys playing gen 1 for PvP. Yes, a middle schooler couldve designed every game until 2007 better, but can we bear in mind the relevance of these issues? It's a lot more damaging that theres nothing to do other than battle and shop in swsh than that i can't find bibarel or deoxys in the postgame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 17:18:39 No.48625441 Report

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>>48625332
I can see you weren't a Stadiumchad. The glitches leaked into the Cups. If anything, Gengar didn't need that coverage because he was still OU.

Also you don't get thawed out. Ice Beam is a kill move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Nov 2021 17:32:35 No.48625696 Report

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>>48621527
>Criticism is a meme

Pokemon fans today are a cult.
Simple as that.

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