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BDSP are terrible, there's no denying that, but if you've played it or paid attention, you'll notice that for some reason major trainers have some of the best sets and AI ever used in a mainline Pokemon game, including EVs, which have only ever been given to maingame NPCs in Ultra SM before now. So there's something really weird about Cyrus's Weavile here. Why is it that everyone has a good moveset except his acemon, who's stuck with fucking Fling as its sole STAB? I used a Weavile myself, and learned that for whatever reason, in SwSh, Weavile learns Night Slash, a 70 BP move only at fucking level 60. Other than slight changes to Dialga and Palkia's learnsets so they can use their signature moves immediately after capture, all other learnsets are complete unchanged from Swsh. Usually in remakes, mons relevant to a region have their learnsets rebalanced, that's why you'll notice different learnsets for lots of Johtomons and Hoennmons between DPPt/HGSS and XY/ORAS. It's clear that someone at ILCA gave a fuck about making the trainers decent, so why didn't they just move Night Slash down to level 40~? I can only think of one reason, that ILCA weren't allowed to. If they weren't allowed to rebalance learnsets, what else were they barred from doing? It compounds with all the other shit surrounding BDSP: Why weren't they given the LGPE/Swsh engine and had to do everything in Unity from scratch? Why were BDSP so rushed that this is the first mainline game to NEED a Day 1 patch? Just when were they told to start making it? tl;dr I think ILCA tried, or at least wanted to, but a mixture of their own inexperience and TPC fucking them over with a horrible schedule and strict limitations forced them to shit out this instead. If they really wanted to go with the muh faithful remake angle, there's no reason to suddenly give major trainers excellent sets and AI (for a mainline Pokemon). Fucking Masuda as their handler probably wasn't very helpful to them either.
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>>48870670 interesting theory, i can buy ilca being restricted by GF, in which case yeah GF being retarded as usual
here's the real question though
why the FUCK do you need quick claw on your fucking crobat???
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>>48870748 Fuck knows, I guess they wanted to emphasize it being fast no matter what, and didn't want to use something more useful like a life orb.
Also another thing, practically all major Pokemon games have been released towards the end of the year, especially as of gen 6, so that parents buy it for their kids for Christmas. However PLA is coming out in Feburary instead. Could it be that BDSP existing at all was a last minute decision to have a release ready for the holidays after GF begged for more time to finish PLA?
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>>48870670 >all other learnsets are complete unchanged from swsh Except all the movesets are changed from what they had been building up to in Gen 7.
>budew no longer learns mega drain (or any other moves) >roselia learns mega drain at Lv5 (past when you'll be evolving budew) instead of Lv13 >roselia now learns giga drain at Lv25 instead of Lv30 >mew's only attacking level up moves for usual playthrough levels are now Lv0 pound and Lv30 ancient power (Lv20 metronome moved to Lv60 and Lv0 transform moved to Lv80) instead of Lv0 pound Lv10 mega punch (that it lost completely) and Lv30 psychic Gen 8 made the already abysmal level up moves of pokemon even worse. Anyone ready this should check the level up moves of their bros between Gen 7 and 8.
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>BDSP existing at all was a last minute decision to have a release ready for the holidays after GF begged for more time to finish PLA? stupid but I'm cynical enough to believe GF would do something like this instead of getting a port or enhanced rerelease of a spinoff to tide people over
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>>48870891 >roselia now learns giga drain at Lv25 instead of Lv30 No? I used a Roselia in BDSP and it learned Giga drain at level 30, same as what serebii says for swoosh.
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>>48870902 Posted it backwards. You have to wait 5 extra levels now.
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>>48870894 >GF would do something Only thing GF does is make their games, all the big decisions are by TPC and this guy. If you're wondering who the real villain is behind Pokemon going to shit, it's not Masuda, it's not Ohmori, it's him.
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>>48870923 The point is the same, all the learnsets were ported directly from swsh, which makes it look like ILCA weren't allowed to touch anything.
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>>48870924 this card is very imbalanced
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>>48870924 Is that card tournament legal?
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>>48870670 >Why were BDSP so rushed that this is the first mainline game to NEED a Day 1 patch? Just when were they told to start making it? Aren't all games rushed since at least XY? (maybe excluding USUM)
Instead of throwing the planned features to the bin, ILCA is working overtime
>Why weren't they given the LGPE/Swsh engine and had to do everything in Unity from scratch? LGPE engine will be sunset as gen 9 is around the corner; Gen 9 engine either isnt ready or will be Unity(-based)
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>>48871294 >Aren't all games rushed since at least XY? That's the point, none of them have needed a day 1 patch except BDSP, making them the most rushed games to date.
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>>48871304 >That's the point, none of them have needed a day 1 patch except BDSP, making them the most rushed games to date. But who is to say that, for whatever reason, the physical cartridges just had to be made and delivered worldwide earlier than usual, and so ILCA had to finish the game digitally via a Patch?
Like the other Anon says, that's just ILCA working overtime. It is a good thing. It shows commitment.
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>>48873175 >But who is to say that, for whatever reason, the physical cartridges just had to be made and delivered worldwide earlier than usual Why would that happen now instead of every other time GF shat out rushed shit?
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>>48870670 >Type reducing berry on a 4x weakness Yeah that never does anything
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>gltich OoB to catch Shaymin after 5 badges >level 30 so it's only slightly underleveled compared to the rest of my team >doesn't learn a flying stab until level 64 >stuck with magical leaf until level 73 >seed flare isn't until literally level 100 Boxed it, and even after taking advantage of OoB stuff to do the entire stark mountain sidequest before postgame, and doing the postgame rival refight, my *starter* dinged level 64 at the very end of the Cynthia fight Shaymin is garbage in single player
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>>48870670 they could have given weavile night slash if they wanted to. no reason they have to follow level up mpvepool restrictions.
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>>48870670 >Not only is Fling effectively a one-time use move, his Weavile is holding a fucking Berry at that >Berries give Fling a whooping 10 base power and it can use it only ONE TIME >Since Night Slash is level 60, they could have given his Weavile fucking Assurance, Payback, or even Thief but they didn't >And lets not forget about it has no ice STAB moves either despite having access to Ice Shard via relearner What the fuck were they smoking when they made his Weavile's set?
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>>48870670 >all this autism just because weavile doesnt have stab ice Weavile is clearly designed to surprise rhe player here. With moves that are SE to its main counters; Fighting, Steel, and Rock, and the anti-Fighting berry to boot. Then it fucking steals your held item for even trying. It has Fling in case you dont come at it with Fighting it can still use its ability after it throws the berry it wont use. Its meant to trip you up and be unexpected, just giving it Dark and Ice moves negates that. Its still a good strat, for an NPC.
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>48875305 You'll need to try a little harder if you want that reply
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cry more, sweetie
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>48875305 >Its still a good strat, for an NPC. >on a Weavile of all things Keep telling yourself that.
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>>48875329 Reply to my fucking post, you colossal faggot.
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>48875305 Ah yes, surprise the player by flinging it's Fighting resist berry at me as I click a Fighting type move
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>>48875332 I cant imagine how sad someones life has to be to pretend to be someone else acting cringe. What a waste of time.
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>48875332 >he doesn't deny that I'm right Thanks for the (You)'s, you retard.
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^^ yikes, dude. next time i'm basedjakking you
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>>48875342 It wouldnt, the AI would make it use Aerial Ace, consume the berry, and steal your held item all in one turn. Stop being a fucking idiot. I said it has Fling for if you DONT use Fighting on it. In that trade tou both use a x2 effective move, but you lose your item.
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Stop having your mental breakdown bro lmao, go fuck off somewhere else you schizophrenic freak
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>48875354 >implying I'm using Fighting STAB
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>>48875364 It would have to be something that is both weak to dark and has a non-STAB fighting move to do this. Got any ideas, or are you just shitposting?
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>48875354 >Use a Fighting STAB >Its 4x weakness ensures that the Berry won't save its ass from dying anyway Or...>Fling its fucking berry at you for no reason >steals your (probably worthless) ingame item and dies anyway in 1 or 2 hits The mental gymnastics on this retarded anon.
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>>48875379 The berry halves rhe damage, it makes fighting equally as effective as rock or steel, and has answers to all 3. I dont get whats so hard to understand about this.
And it doesnt Fling "for no reason", it does so if it wont be using it anyways, and to free up the slot for its ability to proc. Its simple.
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>48875393 >it makes fighting equally as effective as rock or steel And you forgot about the part where Weavile is frail as fuck and will likely die regardless. Berry or not.
>and has answers to all 3 Yes, because mediocre non-STAB moves that its threats can survive are totally threatening...
>it does so if it wont be using it anyways, and to free up the slot for its ability to proc Not only is Fling single-use AND 10 BP, see
>>48875379 for why that's a retarded idea. Granted, both of Weavile's abilities are bad on it but I'd rather take Pressure over Pickpocket.
Bait harder anon. I can argue with you all day and night.
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>>48875441 >Weavile is frail as fuck and will likely die regardless If you believed this was a good argument to make you wouldnt be mad about it not having an Ice move, because in your world it never lives long enough to use any move and they're all irrelevant. So do the movesets matter or not? There's a strategy in place here, Weavile being too much of a shitmon to execute it doesn't really matter, because if that's true then the fight is unsalvagable with any moveset.
>fling is weak blah blah Not the point, learn to read. Most fights it'll never use Fling, and if it does it's only to proc Pickpocket. And if both it's abilities are bad as you say then again I'll ask why are you even complaining? There is no correct choice to you. Go outside.
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>>48870670 I've run into this.
Gallade can't learn Leaf Blade anymore because it is a TR and not a TM which doesn't exist in BDSP so it's impossible for it to learn.
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>48875473 You're a dense retard for blatantly ignoring my points while trying to defend yourself and ILCA for giving this Weavile a bad moveset. None of us would be arguing if they gave it STAB because they would hit harder than the piss-poor moves that it has. How about (You) go outside, kiddo.
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>>48875534 I've been directly spelling out responses to your points all thread while you just shitpost and say I'm stupid, just like now when I specifically asked a question to you but you repsond to this. And just like the last time I caught you out with a qurstion and you just ignored the post. But sure, you may go, I'll still be right when you're gone and you'll still care so much about (You)s that you think spending even more effort to reply than usual to deny them is some kind of epic burn.
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>Weavile's moveset is supposed to be absolute trash!
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>>48875566 Yeah I thought that was a weird argument to make too but aparently some people are just so stubborn they'll claim anything to avoid answering to a good argument.
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>48875549 And I've been shitting on your responses because you unironically think that the moveset is good. And yes the movesets fucking matter because you don't see people complaining about Cyrus's other mons.
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>>48875596 The moveset is better than just an Ice stab would be, and clearly has thought put into it. To be an NPC team you don't have to be an ultra sweeper competetive team, you just have to present an interesting obstacle, which since this Weavile specifically fucks with the player, it does.
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>48875613 >The moveset is better than just an Ice stab would be, and clearly has thought put into it Just because it has thought behind it doesn't make it good.>To be an NPC team you don't have to be an ultra sweeper competetive team, you just have to present an interesting obstacle, which since this Weavile specifically fucks with the player, it does. Oh it's interesting alright. Interestingly bad. My Empoleon killed the thing with one Flash Cannon after it ate a Dig from it. And that's taking into account of its higher Sp. Def. Now imagine it facing down a Fighting type like Infernape once it fails to kill the monkey with Aerial Ace/Dig while said monkey OHKOs it with Close Combat.
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Hey bro, take it from someone who has been on this site for over a decade. When you do this kind of shitposting, you aren't styling on the person you're shitposting at. You're only convincing him that "Oh, the people who disagree with me are autists, so I must be right." It doesn't get you anywhere to act up like this. Plus, no one has cared about (You)s since like 2013.
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>>48875636 Do you one shot it as something that has a 4x Ice resistance, and you think it would have been a better fight if it use an Ice move on you instead... Why, exactly? You just keep calling it shit, but your version is objectively more shit.
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>48875645 Before I waste anymore braincells arguing with you, here is my version:>Literally any other Dark attack >Ice Shard >filler move >filler move The AI is smart enough to not bother using ice moves on something with a 4x ice resistance. The point of I.S. is to kill something that is WEAK to it. And it's other moves would hit penguin much harder. Now care to enlighten me with your next post, my fellow autist.
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>>48875683 Why are you coming at Weavile with something weak to Ice? Aren't these a lot of hoops to jump through to avoid the simple amswer that it's meant to surprise the player? It's the same reason Crasher's Gyarados has Ice Fang, to fuck with people who bring Grass to his gym. It's really not that complicated. An Ice Shard would never get used, this moveset will, simple as.
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>>48870748 Speed tie against Jolteon or another Crobat, those are quite literally the only scenarios in BDSP where that Crobat would need a Quick Claw, they probably would've been better giving it Black Sludge and giving it Fly or Wing Attack instead of Air Cutter, it's not a double battle so Wing Attack at the very least is the objectively better move.
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>>48875697 Even with Tailwind?
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>48875694 In case someone comes at it with something that can hit it super-effectively AND can be hit super-effectively (Staraptor, Golem, Mothim, etc). Why are you so obsessed with arguing against me over a dogshit moveset?
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>Aero-ass for Fighting-types >Poison Jab for Fairies >Brick Break for Rock and Steel >Icicle Crash or Throat Chop as powerful STAB move There you go, a less retarded set that can still get players by surprise
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>>48875737 No, no. You don't get the flip this script. You replied to me, I just posted what I thought of the moveset in the thread. You came out to argue about it, dont flip some "why are you so obsessed wirh arguing with me" when you're the one here arguing. Look, you don't have to like it, if you wanted it to use Ice Shard on your Empoleon then more power to you, but using Dig on you was more damage and a smarter move to bring to a more fun fight.
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>>48875747 What Fairies are you getting in this game besides maybe Togekiss which is weak to Ice anyways? Plus, this doesn't free up Weavile for Pickpocket if you don't make it eat its berry.
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>>48875715 I'm just pointing out the cases where the Quick Claw would come in handy, but yeah honestly I don't think Crobat needs either the Quick Claw or Tailwind, the Quick Claw is so niche that it'd be easier to just send out Gyarados instead and EQ and in the case of Tailwind it's not like the rest of the team is exactly lacking for speed given the DP Dex.
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>>48875757 Azumarill, Clefable, Mr. Mime, Gardevoir
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>48875750 Dumbass, I never said I wanted it to use Ice Shard on Empoleon. I wanted it carry ice coverage WHILE still being able to hit my shit for SE with its other moves. You could have ended this a long time ago by not arguing with me and the other anon that also made fun of you earlier.
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>>48875801 What other anon? No idea what you mean. And no, you said you threw out Empoleon and it got one hit off before you one shot it. And you said this was bad because it should have an Ice move. This is your scenario, you wanted it to be worse off than it was.
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>>48875760 Wait a minute, is the Quick Claw literally just there so Crobat might be able to get off a higher priority on its U-Turn, would that even work?
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>>48875757 Eh... Pickpocket is such a niche ability you should just use Expert Belt or Life Orb to hit as hard as possible, but if you insist, Power Herb Dig can kill some unprepared Fire-type and he can now use his ability, change it for Aerial Ace, Icicle Crash hits Fighting-types harder anyway
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Would this work better?> Honchkrow Night Slash | Drill Peck | Roost | Steel Wing Held: Bright Powder> Crobat Cross Poison | Confuse Ray | Leech Life | Pluck Held: Cell Battery> Gyarados Waterfall | Ice Fang | Earthquake | Dragon Dance Held: Wacan Berry> Weavile Ice Punch | Throat Chop | Aerial Ace | Metal Claw Held: Chople Berry
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>>48875867 Brightpowder is a little too bullshit for main game IMO
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>>48875863 The point isn't to just hit harder and sweep, the point is to trip up and harass the player, which Pickpocket does.
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>48875833 See
>>48875308 >>48875342 and
>>48875364 assuming that they're the same anon. I'm just continuing where he left off.
Besides that, nowhere in
>>48875636 did I say that it's bad that it should have an ice move. And you kept insisting that I wanted Weavile to use an ice move on Empoleon despite me never mentioning that.
Your reading comprehension is ass and I hope you unironically touch grass as I proceed to do the same.
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>>48875878 Oh, you mean you? Okay. You're the only one here who cares enough about (You)s to put more effort that normal into your posts, so... Were you going to present an argument at all? Or just reinforce how right I am for me like that anon said you were?
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>48875918 You definitely seem to care just as much as me if you keep replying to me. And my argument was already stated and done with. Keep replying to me about something so pointless that you want to spend your time talking to a nobody on the internet.
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>>48875876 I get the strat, you hit him with a physical attack, he steals your item and then throws it back at you with Fling, but Weavile is a fragile Pokémon and I don't think that worked against any player honestly
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>>48875947 No, see if I cared about (You)s I'd be trying to deprive you of them like you do. Or I'd try to bait the people replying to me who do give them into more, which I didn't. It's just you. Just you arguing for no reasonzl, just you wasting your time shitposting, and just you who thinks (You)s are important enough that you have to work to deprive them.
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>>48870670 Nice, we're getting into MGSV levels of schizo coping.
Next thing you're going to say is that these games will get a huge patch when PLA comes out.
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>>48875960 Oh, no I don't think you're meant to Fling their item back at them, but I guess you could. I think Fling is only there for if you don't proc its Chople berry, so it can steal your item anyways.
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>>48875967 Alright then, I'll properly reply to you since you actually think I give a shit about (You)'s as opposed to me shitposting. It doesn't change the fact that your stance on the Weavile issue is still shit considering that the other anons agree with me by posting their sets for it.
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>>48875999 And look at how they can remain sane while replying, and keep up with counterpoints. Unlike you. And look how none of them want their Empoleon to take an Ice Shard. Like you. You should have fucked off when you said you would earlier, instead of arguing over nothing.
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>>48876022 >And look at how they can remain sane And I can applaud them for being sane, unlike us.
>Still bringing up the Empoleon wanting to take an Ice Shard thing, despite me never mentioning it wanting it to do so Alright ESL, I'll fuck off before I have to correct you on your horrendous reading comprehension, again. Because you constantly fail to fully read my posts.
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>>48876049 >us Ok, crazy. And yes, tou did say that. Backpedaling once you realized you're a retard doesn't change the fact that you said it. You can go now.
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>>48876022 You're just seething because you're wrong.
>>48875999 Nice trips btw.
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>>48870670 >but if you've played it or paid attention, you'll notice that for some reason major trainers have some of the best sets and AI ever used in a mainline Pokemon game This isn’t even remotely true.
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>>48876062 Complimenting people who disagree with me means I'm seething? That's a new one.
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>>48876081 Underhanded "compliments" aren't actual compliments, crazy anon.
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>>48876081 He's complimenting the anon for his trips. All while calling you out for seething because you are indeed wrong.
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>>48876095 There was nothing underhanded. It was a genuine compliment. Just because I used to to show how crazy you look in comparison doesn't mean it wasn't real.
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>>48876098 Wrong about what exactly? No one has said I'm wrong ITT except that one captain insano. You think there's a different reason for that moveset besides what I said?
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>>48876121 You are wrong btw
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>>48876121 If the other anons are disagreeing with you, you know you're wrong.
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>>48876114 I'm literally not that anon, you crazy anon. "Sane" is not a compliment, especially coming from an insane anon.
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>>48876124 >>48876130 No one has disagreed with me yet beside one unhinged anon, which I'm sure one of you is. People have pitched alternative ways to get the same idea done, no one has disagreed that that was the idea. So I'll ask you again, do you have another idea for why it has this moveset? Because right now, it seems like that's a no and you're just shitposting.
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>>48876161 I was the 22 poster of this thread i was just shitposting leave me alone
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>>48876180 i was
>>48876124 Don't involve me with that schizo
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>>48876183 I'm so lost. You replied to me, what do you mean "please leave me alone"? You can just stop posting. What are you even saying?
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>>48876167 Not my fault your insane ass can't at least look at ip count before seething. Kek.
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>>48876190 You think its a bug?
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>>48876193 Please leave me alone anon, please.
I-I WAS JUST SHITPOSTING
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>>48876193 >can't understand basic English You're either ESL or crazy. Or both.
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>>48870670 I think the detail in the battle backgrounds alone demonstrate that ILCA were trying to compensate for restrictions by putting as much effort as possible into the areas where they had relative freedom
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>>48876197 Ok, humor me. What poster number was I? Since you keep such careful track, you should know. Or you're a shitposter and I was right to call you crazy.
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>>48876203 What part of that post made you think that the literal words were the confusing part, and not rhe context they were in? If you replaced every other word of this post with "banana" I still know what a banana is, but it doesn't make any sense.
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>>48876212 ANON I WAS JUST SHITPOSTING PLEASE
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>>48876206 How the fuck would I know if I wasn't here at the start of your endless seething, you crazy-ass moron? I was 21st poster.
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>bickering with a crazy ESL poster Come on, /vp/. Please be better than this.
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>>48876212 The fact that you can't understand basic English.
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>>48876240 It's weird because here we are communicating in it right now. Huh. Do you think that shitposter could be an ESL whose post made no sense and I couldn't follow? No, no way, I was wrong about something so I must boogeyman all bad things for you so you don't have to actually answer what you think I'm wrong about!
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This thread really went into total meltdown just because I said I can see what they're going for with Weavile and it's sad that that's the state of /vp/ these days.
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>>48876253 It was quite literally Basic, easy to follow English. The fact that you can't understand it lead me to following conclusion:
>>48876203 Anonymous
>>48876256 >This thread went into total meltdown because Yeah, can see why the board's gone to shit with such a fine userbase
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>>48876261 I SHITPOSTED TOO ANON. I'M SORRY
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>>48876261 I think you got some of that backwards, but if the narrative you want to give yourself is that you're easily baited then more power to you I guess.
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>>48870670 >Quick Claw Crobat OHNONONONO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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>>48876268 >>48876276 You're right guys, you're really proving me wrong here. You aren't losing your damn minds over nothing, evidenced clearly here.
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>>48876283 Anon, i'm not really trying to prove you wrong. I'm admitting my mistakes, i was shitposting.
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>>48876301 Stop replying to him. He's going to continue this nonsense. He's been at this for hours now.
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>>48876308 Spoiler alert, so has he. You aren't special.
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>>48876328 ANON I WAS SHITPOSTING
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>>48875637 Hey just passing through to repeat this since y'all are still going at it. This guy just thinks he's more and more right the more you post.
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>>48875196 >Shaymin is garbage in single player Almost like it wasnt designed for single player and designed for post game..
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>>48876064 >Every Pokemon has items >use of EVs >all this before postgame Only USM has done anything similar
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>>48870670 Yeah, the balance is all over the place.
Gyarados gets Waterfall exactly one level after it evolves. Yes the only change they gave to a Pokemon like Yanmega is that hypnosis can now be obtained from the move relearned, whereas you had to learn it as a Yanma in previous generations. It still learns bug buzz and air slash at level 54/57
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>>48870670 Cus its not his ace, its level is just inflated.
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>>48870670 >If they really wanted to go with the muh faithful remake angle, This was never as big of a thing as /vp/ made it out to be. It was one blurb on their website. It meant nothing. It was never an angle they were pursuing. From the outset, the framework for their games was going to be Diamond and Pearl, with additional Platinum features tucked off to the side.
Stop saying this like it's an actual excuse they gave for why BDSP is dogshit, because it's not.
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>>48870871 >>48870748 Imagine being able to Thief a Life Orb that early.
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>>48874748 Because we're in a pandemic, retard.
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>>48870670 Well, fling is honestly an underrated move... But it only shines with items like hard stone or poison barb or etc.. But a chople berry does offer multiple utility options for Weavile as both an aid and offensive item so I can see they were going for something niche there and honestly it's forgivable. Now dig is very strange and for no reason sacrifices a useful stab ice move like icicle crash/ice punch or ice shard. Even going for something like a rock or fire check, they have metal claw which is more justifiable and dig is two turns so it's easy to switch out or predict. Then like others said, quick claw on crobat is basically useless it should have a sash or sludge and instead of cutter it should have wing attack. Gyarados is the one that really shocks me with it having crunch instead of dragon dance; I honestly have no fucking idea what they were thinking there.
But to address your main point, it is very likely tcpi, gf, or Nintendo all rushed then or hindered them along the way. It's believable because it definitely happens, looks at obsidian with new vegas. And even then at least Bethesda let them use their engine. It's far from impossible
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Palmer-sama... I kneel... Seriously what the fuck. Not even my choice spec kingdra can kill it with ice beam
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>>48879107 >non stab >sub 100 specA Well yeah, quad weak or not, that's the point of multiscale. Then I'm sure it draco meteor/outrages you to death. Better off with mamoswine or Weavile or froslass