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Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 12:53:30 No.48904006 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>48904009 >>48904644 >>48905587 >>48906324

People are claiming Suction Cups isn't working outside of battles in BDSP. Which was a bug in the original DP. Can someone CONFIRM if this is really true for BDSP?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 12:54:54 No.48904009 Report

Quoted By: >>48904013

>>48904006
DP is the fucking worst.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 12:55:37 No.48904013 Report

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>>48904009
yeah I prefer reverse cowgirl vids

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 12:59:34 No.48904045 Report

Quoted By: >>48904112 >>48904186

Suction Cups does not work for fishing, no. This is intentionally designed to replicate the bug. I could not say why they chose to do it, but I can sort of understand the logic of maintaining a bug that essentially acted as a feature with how much direct impact it had.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 13:10:13 No.48904109 Report

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itd almost as if they just copy + pasted the data from DP into this game

Anyone tried the Cute Charm trick lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 13:11:03 No.48904112 Report

Quoted By: >>48904117

>>48904045
>This is intentionally designed to replicate the bug
How do you know it was an intentional design choice in BDSP?

My guess was that ILCA just copied the code from DP and didn't notice this Suction Cups bug.

But I would hope you're right, and the decision was intentional.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 13:12:38 No.48904117 Report

Quoted By: >>48904164 >>48904211 >>48907680

>>48904112
The code shows the functionality is full on not present, rather than incorrectly working. Also they can't have just copied the code, it's written in a completely different language and there's numerous function differences between the remakes and originals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 13:21:13 No.48904164 Report

Quoted By: >>48904193

>>48904117
>The code shows the functionality is full on not present, rather than incorrectly working
Show us.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 13:26:45 No.48904186 Report

Quoted By: >>48904212

>>48904045
>a bug that essentially acted as a feature with how much direct impact it had.
What the fuck are you talking about how is NOT giving you increased rate of bites a feature

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 13:27:51 No.48904193 Report

Quoted By: >>48904259

>>48904164
You want me to show you decompiled code? The gist is that Snow Cloak and Sand Veil give x0.5 when active, No Guard, Illuminate, and Arena Trap give x2, and Quick Feet, Stench, Infiltrator, and White Smoke give x0.5 as well. Suction Cups and Sticky Hold aren't on the encounter rate variables for fishing at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 13:31:44 No.48904211 Report

Quoted By: >>48904221

>>48904117
>The code shows the functionality is full on not present, rather than incorrectly working

So, tell me if I understood correctly:

in the original DP, Suction Cups ability outside of battles IS in the code, but working incorrectly due to a bug.

But in BDSP, the Suction Cups ability outside of battles, is simply not in the code at all, meaning this was a deliberate decision to replicate the original?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 13:32:10 No.48904212 Report

Quoted By: >>48904372

>>48904186
Features don't need to be positive anon. It completely removes the interaction from those specific Abilities and it's perpetually active, so it's no different than if they simply removed the interaction themselves outside of being unintentional. When you think of DP fishing mechanics, that bug will inevitably be part of that association.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 13:33:54 No.48904221 Report

Quoted By: >>48904295 >>48905348

>>48904211
Correct. It was a bug in the originals, and replicated manually in the remakes. Or they just somehow forgot to add it, but that's unlikely given the subject matter and lack of patching (which would be very easy to fix).

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 13:42:33 No.48904259 Report

Quoted By: >>48904293

>>48904193
So you have no evidence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 13:50:54 No.48904293 Report

Quoted By: >>48904463

>>48904259
I mean, you can look at the code yourself or any of the dime a dozen code monkeys that've been dissecting the game for a couple of weeks now. I guarantee I'm not the only person who's looked at fishing encounter rates when they noticed abilities not working as expected. Or just don't believe me, strange you'd assume I would randomly decide to lie about something that's easily verified.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 13:51:14 No.48904295 Report

Quoted By: >>48904521

>>48904221
>Or they just somehow forgot to add it, but that's unlikely given the subject matter and lack of patching (which would be very easy to fix).
Do we know how it works after last night's new patch? Maybe it was changed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 14:04:26 No.48904372 Report

Quoted By: >>48904521

>>48904212
Shut the fuck up retard the lack of something is not a feature

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 14:17:36 No.48904463 Report

Quoted By: >>48905388

>>48904293
>you can look at the code yourself
Then show us.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 14:25:33 No.48904521 Report

Quoted By: >>48904575

>>48904295
I'd doubt it personally, I see no reason why it wouldn't have been patched much earlier with how minimal the change would need to be.
>>48904372
It actually is when contextualized as the removal of something, as per the definition of that word.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 14:33:24 No.48904575 Report

Quoted By: >>48904594 >>48904608

>>48904521
No, he's right, you're retatded

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 14:35:51 No.48904594 Report

Quoted By: >>48904696

>>48904575
"The fishing mechanic is changed in DP, it no longer functions as it once did in RSE" is a feature, anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 14:37:12 No.48904608 Report

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>>48904575
No, he is making sense desu, unlike you guys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 14:41:15 No.48904644 Report

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>>48904006
>People are claiming Suction Cups isn't working outside of battles in BDSP. Which was a bug in the original DP. Can someone CONFIRM if this is really true for BDSP?
Do we know if yesterday's new Patch 1.1.2 fixed this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 14:48:47 No.48904696 Report

Quoted By: >>48908611

>>48904594
The thing that changed is removal of a feature
Removing a feature is not a feature
Stop being such a fqggot, please

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 16:04:22 No.48905209 Report

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Boop

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 16:29:34 No.48905348 Report

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>>48904221
I wouldn't be surprised if they asked Masuda and he said "Haha! Keep it in, faithful remake after all! XD" or deliberately stopped ILCA from fixing it.
If something as small as new learnsets was off limits for ILCA to change, I can genuinely see this being the case too.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 16:35:32 No.48905388 Report

Quoted By: >>48906332 >>48906345 >>48906389

>>48904463
Now you have to be told what what you’re looking at means instead of just believing what that anon said

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 16:42:18 No.48905447 Report

Quoted By: >>48905513 >>48906332 >>48906345

code from the original dp games should put a rest to copied and pasted meme
>The abilities Suction Cups (KYUUBAN) and Sticky Hold (NENTYAKU) are supposed to double your catch rate while fishing, but they don't. The correct code for this would be "prob*=2". Spot the typo in the code below:

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 16:50:21 No.48905513 Report

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>>48905447
That's funny as hell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 16:59:05 No.48905587 Report

Quoted By: >>48906311

>>48904006
Anyone know if moves like blizzard can still bypass protect?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 18:23:59 No.48906311 Report

Quoted By: >>48906319 >>48906355

>>48905587
>Anyone know if moves like blizzard can still bypass protect?
I have no idea. Was that another bug in the original DP? Or was it intentional back to then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 18:25:00 No.48906319 Report

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>>48906311
back then*

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 18:25:31 No.48906324 Report

Quoted By: >>48908422

>>48904006
Why would it help you hack the game losers? forced exp share is bad enough now you losers want fishing handed to you too?
Give me a break

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 18:26:32 No.48906332 Report

Quoted By: >>48906345

>>48905388
>>48905447
Don't reply to faggots who won't help themselves just let them keep living their fantasies .

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 18:28:41 No.48906345 Report

Quoted By: >>48908722

>>48906332
to add to this; because this isn't fucking redditor central. You don't have to prove anything to any random retard. Go to twitter or some shit if you need to be spoonfed simple things like this
>>48905447
>>48905388
@all zoomers

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 18:30:26 No.48906355 Report

Quoted By: >>48906920

>>48906311
Blizzard in Hail has a 30% chance of bypassing Detect and Protect in DP I think. They fixed it in Platinum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 18:33:42 No.48906389 Report

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>>48905388
>gotos inside nested conditionals
>switch statement inside the else
I'm sure pre-obfusication the variable names made sense but damn it seems like a nightmare to work with this codebase. I mean they basically had to redo it all from the ground up to use Unity I'd assume, it just seems like such a mess to deal with all the possible combinations of abilities and such in the battle calculations. There's weird legacy stuff like Nidoran(male)(female) breeding logic and such too, Pokemon can't be an easy game to work on (and Gamefreak don't seem like the best on a technical level by any means).

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 19:40:22 No.48906920 Report

Quoted By: >>48907034

>>48906355
>Blizzard in Hail has a 30% chance of bypassing Detect and Protect in DP I think. They fixed it in Platinum.
Can someone confirm or debunk this for BDSP?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 19:55:15 No.48907034 Report

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>>48906920
Boop

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 20:20:59 No.48907235 Report

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Boop

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 21:21:38 No.48907680 Report

Quoted By: >>48908275 >>48908433 >>48908611

>>48904117
They probably copied it in the sense that they looked at what a function did, and they made a function that did the same thing. In the case of the suction cup bug, because there was no code present in DP to let it work out of battle, no code in BDSP was written to do the same thing. Really it just shows lack of attention to detail on ILCA's part; you would hope there was at least one Pokemaniac working for their QA that would think to test these weird interactions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 22:37:39 No.48908275 Report

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>>48907680
>In the case of the suction cup bug, because there was no code present in DP to let it work out of battle, no code in BDSP was written to do the same thing
I'm not sure how coding works, but isn't it possible that ILCA noticed the Suction Cups bug, but decided to keep it the way it was, in order to make it harder to obtain Feebas, etc?

Because another bug in DP was Blizzard having 30% chance to bypass Protect during Hail. And this DP but seems to have been fixed in BDSP.

So I would argue that ILCA did notice all the bugs from the originals code and only "fixed" the bugs they wanted to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 22:53:40 No.48908422 Report

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>>48906324
>forced exp share is bad enough
this human enjoys wasting his time on meaningless grind

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 22:55:31 No.48908433 Report

Quoted By: >>48908749

>>48907680
There literally was a code for it to work outside of battle in dp, I posted it. It didn’t work because of a typo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 23:11:46 No.48908611 Report

Quoted By: >>48908749

>>48904696
Don't use words you don't understand. "Distinct attribute" applies to the removal or alteration of an existing thing.
>>48907680
As I explained the originals have code for it and the remakes don't. The former is bugged to not work and the latter doesn't exist to begin with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 23:25:00 No.48908722 Report

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>>48906345
>You don't have to prove anything to any random retard
What a colossal faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 23:28:07 No.48908749 Report

Quoted By: >>48908782 >>48908783

>>48908433
>There literally was a code for it to work outside of battle in dp, I posted it. It didn’t work because of a typo.
>>48908611
>As I explained the originals have code for it and the remakes don't. The former is bugged to not work and the latter doesn't exist to begin with

So this proves ILCA didn't forget to add the field effect of Suction Cups in BD/SP, but rather intentionally omitted it. Same is the case with the Sticky Hold ability also.

I wonder if the supposedly "broken" Poke Radar in BDSP, is also intentionally nerfed by ILCA, rather than broken by a bug?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 23:31:46 No.48908782 Report

Quoted By: >>48908842 >>48909310 >>48909322

>>48908749
My theory on pokeradar is that the 7% break is intentional but the IVs are broken. They were trying to make radar more user friendly in some way in this game but keep it balanced by having a higher break chance.
In lgpe you also tended to end with a shiny with nice IVs because the longer the combo the more perfect IVs you got so there’s no real reason to nerf IVs like that in this game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 23:31:47 No.48908783 Report

Quoted By: >>48908825

>>48908749
Design oversight could've also just made them forget to add the interaction entirely, but it's unlikely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 23:37:50 No.48908825 Report

Quoted By: >>48908841

>>48908783
>Design oversight could've also just made them forget to add the interaction entirely, but it's unlikely.
What you mean by "design oversight" ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 23:40:09 No.48908841 Report

Quoted By: >>48908869

>>48908825
An oversight of design. It's kind of self-explanatory. If they forgot to add it then it's not intentionally omitted but it's also not a result of faulty coding, it'd simply be accidentally omitted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 23:40:12 No.48908842 Report

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>>48908782
>My theory on pokeradar is that the 7% break is intentional but the IVs are broken
Oh I am sure the 7% thing is absolutely intentional, but I was talking about the IVs issue.

So you think the IVs thing is indeed a an oversight? That's disappointing if true, but I hope they fix it with a patch if it's indeed an oversight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 23:43:13 No.48908869 Report

Quoted By: >>48909345

>>48908841
Ah ok, I understand what you mean now. Yeah, I guess that's always a possibility. But again, if that's the case, I would expect them to correct it with an upcoming patch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Dec 2021 00:34:54 No.48909310 Report

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>>48908782
>there’s no real reason to nerf IVs like that in this game
A bug-fixing patch just came out yesterday. If the IVs issue was indeed an unintended bug/oversight, why wouldn't they just fix it?

Either they just don't care, orbit was an intentional nerf by ILCA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Dec 2021 00:35:55 No.48909322 Report

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>>48908782 #
>there’s no real reason to nerf IVs like that in this game
A bug-fixing patch just came out yesterday. If the IVs issue was indeed an unintended bug/oversight, why wouldn't they just fix it?

Either they just don't care, or it was an intentional nerf by ILCA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Dec 2021 00:38:38 No.48909345 Report

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>>48908869
Yeah that's why I said it's unlikely, especially with how trivial it is to fix if it's not intended (and they absolutely have had it brought to their attention by this point)

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