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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 13:27:36 No.48977926 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>48977953 >>48977960 >>48977967 >>48978044 >>48978338 >>48978361 >>48978650 >>48979657 >>48980176 >>48980273 >>48980530 >>48980566 >>48981080 >>48981268 >>48982661 >>48985205 >>48986200 >>48988465 >>48988523

>zoroark physically can’t exist in sinnoh
>zoroark is in legend
reminder that hisui is either not really sinnoh or is straight up not canon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 13:28:37 No.48977937 Report

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>he doesn't know about the Great Zoroa Migration

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 13:29:25 No.48977944 Report

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it spiritually can

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 13:30:19 No.48977953 Report

Quoted By: >>48992096 >>48992107

>>48977926
Hisui is just Cyrus's world after the DPP events

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 13:31:16 No.48977960 Report

Quoted By: >>48977974 >>48979905 >>48980027

>>48977926
>zoroark physically can’t exist in sinnoh
Explain why not

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 13:31:30 No.48977967 Report

Quoted By: >>48977974

>>48977926
>zoroark physically can’t exist in sinnoh
[citation needed]

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 13:32:23 No.48977974 Report

Quoted By: >>48977992 >>48978010 >>48978066 >>48978383 >>48982661 >>48982836 >>48985815

>>48977960
>>48977967
Because Zoroark is a fakemon from the non-canon younova games

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 13:33:50 No.48977992 Report

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>>48977974
prove it's not canon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 13:36:18 No.48978010 Report

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>>48977974
Retard.
You're just seething there's no Charizard everywhere or there's no Hisuian Rhyperior (Stupid idea: Rhyperior is Perfect)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 13:39:01 No.48978044 Report

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>>48977926
Zoroark's movie was in Sinnoh you faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 13:41:42 No.48978066 Report

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>>48977974
Tranny detected
Sage

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 14:30:33 No.48978338 Report

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>>48977926
>zoroark physically can’t [HEADCANON]

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 14:33:42 No.48978361 Report

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>>48977926
lunatic tranny headcanon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 14:36:20 No.48978383 Report

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>>48977974
Discord tranny schizo detected.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 15:11:24 No.48978650 Report

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>>48977926
go back to discord with your deranged tranny headcanon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 17:10:23 No.48979552 Report

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Bmup fro Zorak thraed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 17:25:38 No.48979657 Report

Quoted By: >>48979758 >>48979855

>>48977926
>zoroark physically can’t exist in sinnoh
Well, yeah. That's why it became an undead abomination and eventually died out entirely. Keep up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 17:41:16 No.48979758 Report

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>>48979657
THEY'RE ALL DEAD, THEY JUST DON'T KNOW IT YET!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 17:57:11 No.48979855 Report

Quoted By: >>48979934 >>48980091

>>48979657
Nothing says that the Hisuian variants died out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:08:49 No.48979905 Report

Quoted By: >>48979912 >>48979946 >>48980542 >>48982661 >>48987223

>>48977960
>Explain why not
Because BDSP and DPPt are part of the non-Mega and non-Unova universe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:10:31 No.48979912 Report

Quoted By: >>48979925 >>48979928 >>48979946

>>48979905
>Because BDSP and DPPt are [headcanon]

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:12:44 No.48979925 Report

Quoted By: >>48979942 >>48979975 >>48980563 >>48982661

>>48979912
Keep coping, son. We're in the Dynamax universe now. That means no megashit and the lack of Unova references and retconning of Zoroark in this universe means Unova doesn't exist either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:13:44 No.48979928 Report

Quoted By: >>48979975

>>48979912
Megas will never come back. Wait for your Gen 6 remakes for another Mega Universe game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:14:29 No.48979934 Report

Quoted By: >>48979951 >>48982844

>>48979855
>ghost/normal
Nigger what do you think a ghost is

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:15:31 No.48979942 Report

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>>48979925
There is no "Dynamax Universe". Megas and Dynamax canonically exist in the same universe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:16:03 No.48979946 Report

Quoted By: >>48979964

>>48979905
>>48979912
>non-mega
Literally canon, did you even play ORAS?
>non-unova
Delusional discord tranny headcanon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:16:33 No.48979951 Report

Quoted By: >>48979959 >>48979971

>>48979934
Ghost type Pokemon are not ghosts, retard. We've seen actual ghosts in the Pokemon series, and they're completely different from Ghost type Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:17:41 No.48979959 Report

Quoted By: >>48979972

>>48979951
>GHOST types are not GHOSTS
Fucking retard lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:18:03 No.48979964 Report

Quoted By: >>48979978

>>48979946
The non-Mega universe is not canon, it was just a throwaway line in ORAS to explain retcons such as Mega Evolution suddenly being something the world has always known about.

Prior to ORAS, retcons were just retcons, there were no "alternate universes".

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:19:00 No.48979971 Report

Quoted By: >>48979976

>>48979951
Some of them are and some of them aren't because you're looking for consistency in a franchise that has never cared about that sort of things. Grow up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:19:12 No.48979972 Report

Quoted By: >>48979986

>>48979959
Mimikyu, Alolan Marowak, Decidueye Sensu Oricorio, and Lunala all prove that Ghost type Pokemon are not ghosts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:19:53 No.48979975 Report

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>>48979925
>>48979928
Yea I agree, Megas are probably axed forever now, but I don't have to cope and try to make sense of it on alternate universe that is actually not consistent in anyway.
Megas stopped existing because GF said so, not because alternate universes or whatever you say

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:20:20 No.48979976 Report

Quoted By: >>48980019

>>48979971
The fact that they can die and become actual ghosts means they aren't ghosts.

A ghost is dead, a Ghost type Pokemon is still alive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:20:40 No.48979978 Report

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>>48979964
>parallel universe explicitly described in a main series game
>”yeah but thats not canon tho”
Yeah ok

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:23:00 No.48979986 Report

Quoted By: >>48980005 >>48980605

>>48979972
>i dont think these poemon are ghosts so im going to use them as a counterexample
Great idea, except they ARE ghosts. Not all ghosts are ghost type pokemon, but all ghost type pokemon are by definition ghosts.
Its literally in the name, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:25:00 No.48980005 Report

Quoted By: >>48980026 >>48980034 >>48980040

>>48979986
They're called Ghost types because they're SIMILAR to ghosts, not because they ARE ghosts.

There's a reason people in the Pokemon are afraid of ghosts, but aren't afraid of Ghost-type Pokemon. It's because the former are spirits of the dead, while the latter are still alive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:27:29 No.48980019 Report

Quoted By: >>48980024

>>48979976
No, they were dead and brought back to physical world on different conditions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:28:20 No.48980024 Report

Quoted By: >>48980068 >>48980082

>>48980019
Keyword, were. They were brought back in a new form, so they aren't dead anymore. It's just a new form of life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:28:30 No.48980026 Report

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>>48980005
>not being afraid of something that can hurt you
>being afraid of something that hardly ever appear
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:28:42 No.48980027 Report

Quoted By: >>48980031 >>48980033

>>48977960
because you can’t use it in any of the sinnoh games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:29:31 No.48980031 Report

Quoted By: >>48980112

>>48980027
you will in two months

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:29:38 No.48980033 Report

Quoted By: >>48980099

>>48980027
Doesn't mean shit. There's nothing in-universe preventing Zoroark from existing in Sinnoh. A Zoroark doesn't just vanish into thin air if it enters Sinnoh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:29:59 No.48980034 Report

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>>48980005
>They're called Ghost types because they're SIMILAR to ghosts, not because they ARE ghosts.
let me guess, you also think that charizard is a dragon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:30:18 No.48980040 Report

Quoted By: >>48980076

>>48980005
>They're not called Ghost types because they ARE ghosts, they’re called Ghost types because [headcanon]
>There's a reason people in the Pokemon are afraid of ghosts, but aren't afraid of Ghost-type Pokemon. It's because [headcanon]
Oh gotcha, your headcanon is just that the GHOST type exists because those pokemon are simply just super duper spooky like scary ghosts. You know the Dark type exists, right?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:32:02 No.48980055 Report

Quoted By: >>48980076 >>48980201 >>48986366

The anon is right. Ghost types aren't the undead. They're living beings just like any other Pokémon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:33:41 No.48980068 Report

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>>48980024
Holy fucking autism
Explain how this logic doesn’t also mean regular non-pokemon ghosts are a “form of life” retard

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:35:08 No.48980076 Report

Quoted By: >>48980170 >>48987008

>>48980040
See
>>48980055

The anime also had the ghost of a ghost type. One of the poketoons had a gengar tell a girl turned gengar that they're not ghost but pokemon. In Pokémon ghost types are living creatures that have some properties of ghost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:35:52 No.48980082 Report

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>>48980024
Tell me how Shedinja is alive

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:37:36 No.48980091 Report

Quoted By: >>48980112 >>48980113 >>48980124

>>48979855
>These Zorua migrated to the Hisui region after being driven from other lands by humans, who shunned the Pokémon for manifesting uncanny illusions. But the Zorua perished, unable to survive the harsh Hisuian environment and strife with other Pokémon.
https://legends.pokemon.com/en-us/pokemon/zorua/
Dude. What low quality bait.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:38:31 No.48980099 Report

Quoted By: >>48980103 >>48980112 >>48980115 >>48980127

>>48980033
>Doesn't mean shit. There's nothing in-universe preventing Zoroark from existing in Sinnoh
beside the fact that it dosen’t even exist in the Sinnohverse
>A Zoroark doesn't just vanish into thin air if it enters Sinnoh.
Got anything to back that up?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:39:14 No.48980103 Report

Quoted By: >>48980186 >>48983554

>>48980099
If I take a fox from America to Japan, the fox doesn't vanish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:40:12 No.48980112 Report

Quoted By: >>48980158

>>48980099
>beside the fact that it dosen’t even exist in the Sinnohverse
>>48980031

>Got anything to back that up?
>>48980091

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:40:15 No.48980113 Report

Quoted By: >>48980123 >>48985834

>>48980091
Holy fuck, pay attention to the damn franchise. It's been shown and stated several times that Ghost type Pokemon are not ghosts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:40:27 No.48980115 Report

Quoted By: >>48980133

>>48980099
If I take a fox from Unova to Hoenn, it doesn't vanish. Why would that be different here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:41:28 No.48980123 Report

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>>48980113
>But the Zorua perished
WHAT. IS THIS? YOU FUCKING COCKMONGLER! IT LITERALLY SAYS RIGHT THERE THE ZORUA DIED!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:41:34 No.48980124 Report

Quoted By: >>48980131 >>48980143 >>48983564

>>48980091
And yet it still eats, sleeps, and reproduces like any other Pokemon. It didn't "die", it was reborn into a new form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:41:56 No.48980127 Report

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>>48980099
It’s canon that some pokemon are not discovered yet.
It is not canon that new pokemon dont exist in previous generations because of parallel universes or some shit.
Please go dilate somewhere else and stop stinking up this board with your putrid neovagina

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:42:37 No.48980130 Report

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FRIENDLY REMINDER

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:42:41 No.48980131 Report

Quoted By: >>48980144

>>48980124
>it didn't "die" it was reborn into a new form
So it... became a ghost? Ghosts mean that although you perished, you were reborn into a new form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:43:06 No.48980133 Report

Quoted By: >>48980142

>>48980115
Thats a bad example because that canonically IS a different universe

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:44:48 No.48980142 Report

Quoted By: >>48980333

>>48980133
>canonically is a different universe
Man this bait.
Glad this thread ain't getting bumped because of me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:44:56 No.48980143 Report

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>>48980124
It literally says it died.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:45:05 No.48980144 Report

Quoted By: >>48980151

>>48980131
A ghost is a spirit. Ghost-type Pokemon have physical bodies just like any other Pokemon. There's a reason the franchise makes a distinction between ghosts and Ghost-type Pokemon, and had a short where a Gengar explicitly says "We're not ghosts, we're Pokemon"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:45:54 No.48980151 Report

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>>48980144
It's a fucking zombie, and I was trying to prove
>Nothing says that the Hisuian variants died out.
is fucking bullshit. Get the fuck out of your own thread dumbass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:46:28 No.48980154 Report

Quoted By: >>48980180

Ghost-type Pokémon have many traditional characteristics of ghosts but are not, for the most part, actually spirits of the dead. Some aren't even ghostly at all — Oricorio's Sensu Forme, Alolan Marowak, and Decidueye, for example, are all clearly living and tangible creatures. As shown by "Mimikins" in the anime, they can even die and become actual undead ghosts (key differences including that truly "ghost" Pokémon cannot interact with the living world in any physical way, unlike Ghost types).

When Ghost type Pokémon have death as part of their origin, they are typically treated not as dead themselves but rather described as becoming Ghost type in order to be able to live again in a different form or state of being. Examples include ones like Yamask and Phantump which are (supposedly) human spirits reborn as Pokémon. Less vague cases are Dreepy and Galarian Corsola, both of which were once non-Ghost types but became extinct in those forms and then were reborn as Ghost types at some point. Becoming Ghost type for them is treated in lore as a form of adaptation so they could live again in their old habitats, and in Corsola's case allowed for it to even evolve where its original form couldn't. This proved to be the case for the ancient Hisuian population of Zorua and Zoroark as well, which were reborn as Normal/Ghost types when they proved unable to survive in the region in their original forms (though their spite toward both humans and other Pokémon for contributing to their deaths led to this rebirth as well). An even straighter example of adaptation is Alolan Marowak, who explicitly gained the Ghost/Fire typing in order to protect themselves and the (still Ground type) Cubone from their local enemies, no extinction involved, with the implication that the spirits of their mothers have returned to protect them via the ghostly flames on their bones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:46:34 No.48980158 Report

Quoted By: >>48980166 >>48980173 >>48980181

>>48980112
>t-they’ll totally add some gen 5 + mons to the faithful dp remake
right, just like they added the ub’s from usum in sm amarite?
>These Zorua migrated to the Hisui region after being driven from other lands by humans, who shunned the Pokémon for manifesting uncanny illusions. But the Zorua perished, unable to survive the harsh Hisuian environment and strife with other Pokémon.
that just proves that they can exist in hisui, not sinnoh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:47:30 No.48980166 Report

Quoted By: >>48980260

>>48980158
Hisui IS Sinnoh.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:48:12 No.48980170 Report

Quoted By: >>48980182 >>48980201 >>48980544

>>48980076
>The anime

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:48:45 No.48980173 Report

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>>48980158
>right, just like they added the ub’s from usum in sm amarite?
I'm talking about Legends Arceus genius

>that just proves that they can exist in hisui, not sinnoh.
no, that literally proves they existed in sinnoh for a while

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:48:57 No.48980176 Report

Quoted By: >>48980260

>>48977926
>zoroark physically can’t exist in sinnoh

But it made its first official appearance in Sinnoh. The bad guy of the movie kidnapped Zorua and Zoroark from Unova and brought them to Sinnoh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:49:23 No.48980180 Report

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>>48980154
>key differences including that truly "ghost" Pokémon cannot interact with the living world in any physical way
Dead Marowak from KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO says hello

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:49:44 No.48980181 Report

Quoted By: >>48980193 >>48980260

>>48980158
>right, just like they added the ub’s from usum in sm amarite?
Bad example, SM came out before USUM, so no wonder they didn't add the ultra beasts. They didn't add the origin form to D/P. They didn't add the fusion forms to B/W. They added both to X/Y though.
>that just proves that they can exist in hisui, not sinnoh.
It's so PAINFULLY obvious that Hisui is ancient Sinnoh. It's not like provinces get fucking renamed or anything, no sirree, there's no such thing as Washington!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:49:59 No.48980182 Report

Quoted By: >>48980187 >>48980192

>>48980170
The anime gets its lore from the games, retardo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:50:44 No.48980186 Report

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>>48980103
No, but I cant take a fox from the america of another universe to Japan because it’s just not possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:50:45 No.48980187 Report

Quoted By: >>48980216

>>48980182
>lore from the games
Only a partial of it. They do a lot of headcanoning over there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:51:18 No.48980192 Report

Quoted By: >>48980207

>>48980182
Ah, yes. I remember knocking out plenty of ground-types with my Pikachu's thunderbolt.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:51:18 No.48980193 Report

Quoted By: >>48980278

>>48980181
It's not just obvious, the website outright states it. Hisui is renamed Sinnoh in the future.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:51:56 No.48980201 Report

Quoted By: >>48980212

>>48980170
This is from the games >>48980055

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:52:22 No.48980207 Report

Quoted By: >>48980225

>>48980192
Game mechanics are not lore. An anime can't have things operate like a video game, because it's not a video game. It has to follow realistic logic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:52:57 No.48980212 Report

Quoted By: >>48980229

>>48980201
Unrelated. The anime is just not a reliable source for many other reasons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:53:24 No.48980216 Report

Quoted By: >>48980227 >>48980232

>>48980187
Expanding on things is not "headcanoning". The anime is a first-party source, so anything it says is official. TPCi even explicitly tells third parties to watch the anime before making their products in order to know how to accurately portray the Pokemon world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:54:25 No.48980225 Report

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>>48980207
Powering up my Swellow with electricity is very realistic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:54:49 No.48980227 Report

Quoted By: >>48980236

>>48980216
anime isn't accurate

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:55:10 No.48980229 Report

Quoted By: >>48980248 >>48985773

>>48980212
>first-party source
>not reliable

>For those in the Pokemon business, it is very important to experience things first hand by playing the games, watching the movies

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:55:33 No.48980232 Report

Quoted By: >>48980251

>>48980216
Okay, my argument as they were headcanoning because many, MANY things do not correlate to what happens to the games in the slightest, OR they get retconned by the games themselves.
See the whole Pikachu thing fighting ground types with electric type moves, or... y'know, Tapus trying to murder Ash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:56:13 No.48980236 Report

Quoted By: >>48980254 >>48980265

>>48980227
It's first-party, so it is. The whole fucking point of it is to introduce people to Pokemon and get them to buy the games by showing what the Pokemon world is like.

You can't argue against a first-party source.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:57:08 No.48980248 Report

Quoted By: >>48980256

>>48980229
The anime literally contradicts the games in many instances. If you want to suck Ash's dick, go ahead, but this is a game thread, and game lore has precedence over anime lore when talking about the games. It's as simple as that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:57:33 No.48980251 Report

Quoted By: >>48980257

>>48980232
>A cartoon isn't 1:1 with the video game isn't based on and instead alters things to make more sense, or expands on things

woah

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:58:20 No.48980254 Report

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>>48980236
>You can't argue against a first-party source.
You're literally doing that by trying to argue that Hisuian Zorua is not dead when the official website for the game states that it literally is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:58:48 No.48980256 Report

Quoted By: >>48980262

>>48980248
>The anime literally contradicts the games in many instances

It can't "contradict" anything, because one is a cartoon, the other is a fucking video game. Did you miss the episode from the first season that spelled out that the games are a lie?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:59:01 No.48980257 Report

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>>48980251
I know right, how fucking wild!?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:59:26 No.48980260 Report

Quoted By: >>48980272 >>48980274 >>48980278

>>48980166
>Hisui IS Sinnoh.
>has gen 5 +mons in it that dont exist in sinnoh
>isn’t called Sinnoh
nah, both regions have lees in commons than stuff like unova and kalos.
>>48980176
>ashnime
>ever being canon
enough with this bait, anon.
>>48980181
>Bad example, SM came out before USUM, so no wonder they didn't add the ultra beasts
and bdsp came before legend. your point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 18:59:37 No.48980262 Report

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>>48980256
>spelled out that the games are a lie
i.e. it contradicts the games, i.e. they're mutually exclusive, i.e. the anime is an invalid source when talking about the games

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:00:18 No.48980265 Report

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>>48980236
Just like X-Men are first party source so you can use it when talking about MCU, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:01:22 No.48980272 Report

Quoted By: >>48980323

>>48980260
>nah, both regions have lees in commons than stuff like unova and kalos.
[headcanon]

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:01:38 No.48980273 Report

Quoted By: >>48980311 >>48980319

>>48977926
I really hope they introduce Trubbish and Vanilluxe into Johto, or even better... Kanto. Can't wait to see the meltdown on this site.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:01:41 No.48980274 Report

Quoted By: >>48980296 >>48980298

>>48980260
>and bdsp came before legend
They add old features into successive titles is my point. That being said, I should be the one asking you this, especially since Legends is a spinoff. So, you're point being?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:02:00 No.48980278 Report

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>>48980260
The official site says it's Sinnoh, cockmongler. >>48980193 It's Sinnoh in the past, before it was called Sinnoh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:04:34 No.48980296 Report

Quoted By: >>48980306 >>48980307

>>48980274
that hisui isn’t canonically sinnoh. I’m glad someone else on this board understand that simple fact.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:05:12 No.48980298 Report

Quoted By: >>48980307

>>48980274
>since Legends is a spinoff
[citation needed]

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:06:26 No.48980306 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980296
But it is. That's the whole premise of the game, that this is Sinnoh before it became known as Sinnoh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:06:26 No.48980307 Report

Quoted By: >>48980315 >>48980384

>>48980298
The subtitle, the fact it's not two games, and it isn't considered a part of Gen 9.

>>48980296
Enough. >>48980296 See the website yourself if you have so much trouble. https://legends.pokemon.com/en-us/story/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:06:53 No.48980311 Report

Quoted By: >>48980316 >>48980507

>>48980273
>post dexcut remakes
>ever featuring mons not from the original
never gonna happen and you know it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:07:12 No.48980312 Report

Quoted By: >>48980324

>100 replies for the faggiest OP I've seen in years

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:07:52 No.48980315 Report

Quoted By: >>48980324

>>48980307
>Solgeleo and Lunana aren't legendary because they evolve!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:07:58 No.48980316 Report

Quoted By: >>48980341

>>48980311
LGPE was the first dexcut game and it had had Alola forms + Meltan and Melmetal

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:08:03 No.48980319 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980273
The line would actually fit the Kanto region pretty well, since Kanto already has a theme of pollution. With Pokemon such as Koffing and Grimer + the many other Poison-Types in the region

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:08:07 No.48980320 Report

Quoted By: >>48980324 >>48980404

I think Masuda said it's best to think of the anime and games as parallel universes. Like Termina from Majora Mask and Hyrule from OoT, two universes that share characters and setting but are also different in other ways. But the ghost lore is correct, ghost types aren't the living dead.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:09:10 No.48980323 Report

Quoted By: >>48980345

>>48980272
play the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:09:23 No.48980324 Report

Quoted By: >>48980335

>>48980312
I've been not bumping this entire time, I wish people would read the FAQ.

>>48980320
In certain Pokemon, they are. Others, not so much.

>>48980315
What is this even referencing? How is this a counter argument? The Pokedex flat out calls them legendary so any argument there is bunk, even though I treat them as Ultra Beasts whenever writing fiction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:10:35 No.48980333 Report

Quoted By: >>48980366

>>48980142
You’re not the only one saging this gay thread
>bait
ORAS explicitly tells you that it’s a different universe than ones without mega evolution.
Nice meta bait tho, got me to reply

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:10:53 No.48980335 Report

Quoted By: >>48980366

>>48980324
>What is this even referencing? How is this a counter argument? The Pokedex flat out calls them legendary so any argument there is bunk, even though I treat them as Ultra Beasts whenever writing fiction.
Exactly! Using patterns like "it's not two games" and "it isn't considered a part of Gen 9" is simply wrong reasoning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:11:13 No.48980341 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980316
>Alola forms
only because kanto dosen’t have any dark type mons
>Meltan and Melmetal
go shilling

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:11:55 No.48980345 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980323
look at hisui map

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:14:19 No.48980366 Report

Quoted By: >>48980389 >>48980403

>>48980333
>sage
I've been deliberately not mentioning by name because you can get banned for that. Read the FAQ next time.
I forgot ORAS literally flat out states the megaevolutions timeline is different. Motherfucker, there goes that argument. There's still the argument that Unova literally connects to Sinnoh though a cave system though, which was seen in B2/W2.

>>48980335
... so you're telling me that Legends is supposed to be a SECOND mainline game after Swish... in the same fucking generation? Do you understand how retarded that logic is? With that logic, Colosseum and XD are the 2nd and 3rd mainline games in Gen 3 after R/S/E!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:17:03 No.48980384 Report

Quoted By: >>48980396

>>48980307
>The subtitle, the fact it's not two games, and it isn't considered a part of Gen 9.
Okay so you made it up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:18:16 No.48980389 Report

Quoted By: >>48980396

>>48980366
>... so you're telling me that Legends is supposed to be a SECOND mainline game after Swish... in the same fucking generation? Do you understand how retarded that logic is? With that logic, Colosseum and XD are the 2nd and 3rd mainline games in Gen 3 after R/S/E!
But BDSP is the second mainline after SWSH in gen 8.

Literally what happened to your brain that cannot comprehend they can make as they want and not follow their own made up intervals?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:19:29 No.48980396 Report

Quoted By: >>48980424

>>48980389
I don't count the remakes as mainlines. They're very clearly not intended as the main attraction.

>>48980384
And what makes it a mainline game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:20:12 No.48980403 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980366
>There's still the argument that Unova literally connects to Sinnoh though a cave system though, which was seen in B2/W2.
It doesn't... It just references Sinnoh, it's connected by the fact that there are lake guardians.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:20:20 No.48980404 Report

Quoted By: >>48980429

>>48980320
I'd say "not necessarily". Mons like Shedinja obviously aren't literally dead, but others like Dreepy are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:21:20 No.48980410 Report

Quoted By:

This thread is gay
Fuck you OP for doing this

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:22:57 No.48980418 Report

Quoted By:

The amount of mental gymnastics in this thread for what should've been a straight forward argument.
I call it quits here boys, you guys can go rot in a pit!
I suggest everyone sage this low quality bait thread if possible, I don't care if I get banned anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:23:50 No.48980424 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980396
>And what makes it a mainline game?
It's made by GF and is the main focus right now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:24:51 No.48980429 Report

Quoted By: >>48980472

>>48980404
>Mons like Shedinja obviously aren't literally dead
It's a inanimated object possesed by a literall ghost. It's dead in every way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:31:05 No.48980472 Report

Quoted By: >>48980482 >>48980517

>>48980429
Nothing about it says that it's dead. It's just not alive. You can still have the living Ninjask that gave "birth" to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:33:09 No.48980482 Report

Quoted By: >>48980489

>>48980472
Are you fucking retarded?
Shedinja is just a shed skin possesed by a ghost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RklBHC-bGLo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:34:43 No.48980489 Report

Quoted By: >>48980505

>>48980482
*By a spirit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:36:52 No.48980505 Report

Quoted By: >>48980515

>>48980489
what's the difference

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:37:19 No.48980507 Report

Quoted By: >>48980513

>>48980311
How are they going to exclude Mamoswine and Lickitung from Let's Go Johto?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:38:19 No.48980513 Report

Quoted By: >>48981371

>>48980507
Sorry, I meant Lickilicky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:38:20 No.48980515 Report

Quoted By: >>48980526

>>48980505
Spirits can naturally exist while ghosts come from dead things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:38:37 No.48980517 Report

Quoted By: >>48980531 >>48980533

>>48980472
>Nothing about it says that it's dead. It's just not alive.
This thread is going to give me an aneurysm

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:40:13 No.48980526 Report

Quoted By: >>48980568

>>48980515
But it's a GHOST type so something had to make it that way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:40:40 No.48980530 Report

Quoted By:

>>48977926
Gen 1 are the only canon games. No Pokemon past Mew are real.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:40:56 No.48980531 Report

Quoted By: >>48980622

>>48980517
According to anon, Geodude should be a Ghost-type because rocks aren't alive, therefore they're dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:41:30 No.48980533 Report

Quoted By: >>48980585

>>48980517
The guy should just explain what he means and either he will see lack of cohersion or will finally make some sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:42:33 No.48980542 Report

Quoted By: >>48980551

>>48979905
>timeline fag
Fucking cringe, I won’t even bother explaining to you why you are a retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:42:52 No.48980544 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980170
Acerola's Mimikyu being more than just a ghost Pokemon is canon in the games as well, retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:43:54 No.48980551 Report

Quoted By: >>48980595

>>48980542
Based
Ignore the timelinespergs. They already ruined zelda

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:45:11 No.48980563 Report

Quoted By: >>48980891

>>48979925
>Zoroark is available in Sword and Shield Version 1.2.0+.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:45:41 No.48980566 Report

Quoted By: >>48980593

>>48977926
It surprises me how successful this bait is with how often it's posted

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:46:06 No.48980568 Report

Quoted By: >>48980580 >>48985970

>>48980526
Torchic is a Fire-type but it isn't made of fire.
Squirtle is a Water-type but it isn't made of water.
Dewgong is an Ice-type but it's not made of ice.
Absol is a Dark-type but it has white fur.
Flygon is a Ground-type but it's not touching the ground.
Spinarak is a Bug-type but it's not an insect.

You don't have to take things this literally, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:47:38 No.48980580 Report

Quoted By: >>48980598

>>48980568
It's you who says: skin + spirit = ghost. I'm just asking what's the difference between then because you're saying ghost and spirit are not the same thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:48:23 No.48980585 Report

Quoted By: >>48980626

>>48980533
Please explain to me how rocks are either living beings or cadavers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:48:59 No.48980593 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980566
This is the first time I've seen the bait and I've been here for a few months at least. Guess I'm still a new fag but... y'know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:49:14 No.48980595 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980551
Zelda had a timeline ever since ALttP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:49:24 No.48980598 Report

Quoted By: >>48980613

>>48980580
nigger you cannot be this dense

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:50:17 No.48980605 Report

Quoted By:

>>48979986
Sableye isn’t particularly ghosty though. It’s just some gremlin who eats rocks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:51:57 No.48980613 Report

Quoted By: >>48980624

>>48980598
You apparently can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:52:43 No.48980622 Report

Quoted By: >>48980635

>>48980531
>this sentient rock should be a ghost type because rocks aren’t alive
How fucking retarded do you have to be to think this is a good counterpoint
Geodude is a living being made of stone
Shedinja is a reanimated dead bug shell

Please turn yourself into a ghost type

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:53:25 No.48980624 Report

Quoted By: >>48980657

>>48980613
>literally explain how being a particular type doesn't correlate with literally being of that type's namesake
>"PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW GHOST-TYPES CAN BE NON-GHOSTS"

Can't you fucking read, retard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:53:32 No.48980626 Report

Quoted By: >>48980661

>>48980585
In fiction natural objects can be alife, they move, often speak, have eyes. They are just like animals in our world, but different.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:55:06 No.48980635 Report

Quoted By: >>48980702

>>48980622
>non-alive entities are necessarily dead
>rocks are an exception

I don't know if your brain is a rock or a ghost but it's definitely not alive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:57:35 No.48980657 Report

Quoted By: >>48980668 >>48980833

>>48980624
>Torchic is a Fire-type but it isn't made of fire.
can create fire
>Squirtle is a Water-type but it isn't made of water.
can create water
>Dewgong is an Ice-type but it's not made of ice.
can create ice
>Absol is a Dark-type but it has white fur.
has powers related to evil
>Flygon is a Ground-type but it's not touching the ground.
can create sand
>Spinarak is a Bug-type but it's not an insect.
bug type is arthopod type not instect type

shedinja has to have a reason to be ghost and being described as possessed object literally explains that

STOP dodging the questions and explain what is ghost and spriti to you and how they differ

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:58:05 No.48980661 Report

Quoted By: >>48980680

>>48980626
It's not about fiction. It's about this nigger saying that not being alive is so obviously correlated to being dead that stating otherwise is giving him an aneurysm, so he must think that IRL rocks are either living beings or cadavers because they cannot be something that's not alive but not dead either.

God this board is so fucked up I have to explain the obvious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 19:59:13 No.48980668 Report

Quoted By: >>48980687

>>48980657
>Fire-types don't have to be literally made of fire, they just have to be associated with it
>Ghost-types necessarily have to be literal ghosts, there's no way around it

Nigger, assuming you have a living brain, can you just not use it for a second? It's very simple.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:00:05 No.48980680 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980661
rocks are dead
dead people are dead

it has both meanings

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:01:07 No.48980687 Report

Quoted By: >>48980774

>>48980668
I agree retard, that's not my point. Read again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:04:24 No.48980702 Report

Quoted By: >>48980815

>>48980635
Inanimate objects that have never been alive cannot be validly classified as dead.
Conveniently, not once in this thread have we been talking about inanimate objects that have never been alive.
>Nothing about it says that it's dead. It's just not alive.
Shedinja is a pokemon. Like all pokemon, it is either alive or dead.
We know you love rocks anon, but this is a pokemon board, and we’re talking about pokemon, not inanimate objects.
You are severely mentally handicapped. Please do not reproduce.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:07:21 No.48980729 Report

Quoted By:

Ghost absolutely does not mean "literal ghost". As shown by things like Sableye, Decidueye, and Lunala, as well as all the moves like Shadow Ball, Shadow Claw, Shadow Sneak, Shadow Punch, the type is mainly associated with shadows and darkness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:15:32 No.48980774 Report

Quoted By: >>48980837

>>48980687
A Ghost is the spirit of something that was alive but died.

Happy now?

I mean, you can equate ghosts to spirits and say that discarded parts of your body like your skin have a soul of their own and can become ghosts, which would turn Shedinja into a bad example. Just use Oricorio as one. Done. There you have a confirmed non-dead Ghost-type pokémon. Now you can use it as a possible counterexample for my argument that Hisuian Zorua is literally, definitely and officially dead.

Wow, that took a lot for something that doesn't even matter. You anons are really something else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:21:00 No.48980815 Report

Quoted By: >>48980868

>>48980702
>Shedinja is a pokemon. Like all pokemon, it is either alive or dead.
I misexpressed myself. What I meant is that what makes Shedinja a pokémon doesn't have to come from a previously living being. It's just the discarded shell of a Nincada that came to life.

>Inanimate objects that have never been alive cannot be validly classified as dead.
This is a different meaning. If you read "it's not dead, but it's also not alive" and concluded that dead in this context meant anything that's not a living thing instead of something that was alive but died, you can make a Ghost-type pokémon of your brain.

>Conveniently, not once in this thread have we been talking about inanimate objects that have never been alive.
We did when Shedinja was mentioned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:24:14 No.48980833 Report

Quoted By: >>48980847

>>48980657
>can create sand
According to anon all necromancers are undead themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:24:25 No.48980835 Report

Quoted By:

>conflating gameplay and lore is ok when defending the youtuber megaverse narrative
>but for species available in games? No they're definitely different there

I mean OP is a retard, but most of the ones criticizing him are hpyocrites.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:24:45 No.48980837 Report

Quoted By: >>48980848

>>48980774
Then I don't know why you had to correct me that it's spirit what posseses Shedinja and not ghost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:25:46 No.48980847 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980833
implication is not equality

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:26:12 No.48980848 Report

Quoted By: >>48980859

>>48980837
If to you a ghost doesn't have to come from the dead I don't know why you corrected me that Shedinja is dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:28:01 No.48980859 Report

Quoted By: >>48980863

>>48980848
???
leftover skin = dead
ghost = dead

therefore shedinja = dead

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:29:05 No.48980863 Report

Quoted By: >>48980871 >>48980881

>>48980859
I didn't know leftover skin had a soul of its own but thanks for educating me, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:29:26 No.48980868 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980815
Shedinja is a dead, discarded bug shell. It is not an inanimate object and must be either alive or dead.
You, on the other hand, are so severely retarded that I question if it’s even scientifically accurate to refer to you as alive. Please commit ghost type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:30:03 No.48980871 Report

Quoted By: >>48980889 >>48980923

>>48980863
for me dead = everything not alive, it's you who thinks otherwise

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:30:51 No.48980881 Report

Quoted By: >>48980929

>>48980863
Didn’t know bugs had souls at all, but thanks for sharing your spiritual headcanon you fag

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:31:45 No.48980889 Report

Quoted By: >>48980908 >>48980916

>>48980871
In order for something to be "dead", it has to have been alive to begin with. Nincada's skin was never "alive". It only came to life after Nincada shed it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:31:54 No.48980891 Report

Quoted By: >>48980940 >>48980979

>>48980563
Sword and Shield is the Unova universe. BDSP takes place in the non-Unova universe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:33:26 No.48980908 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980889
>hey did you know that dust is mostly made of dead skin cells?
>uhm ACKTUALLY skin doesn’t have a SOUL, shitlord
Please stop posting

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:34:46 No.48980916 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980889
it was alive part of Nincada anyway so your whole argument makes no sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:36:04 No.48980923 Report

Quoted By: >>48980936 >>48980971

>>48980871
Not wanting to go into the rock argument again but

Rocks = not alive, never was, soulless
Leftover skin = not alive, was, soulless
Cadaver = not alive, was, has a soul

The only one that can qualify as a literal ghost is the cadaver.

Shedinja is not a cadaver, therefore it's not a literal ghost.

Hisuian Zorua was a living Zorua that literally died, therefore it's a literal Ghost.

"Shedinja is not dead but Hisuian Zorua is" = "Shedinja never was a living entity with a soul of its own but Hisuian Zorua was"

It's not that complicated, anons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:37:05 No.48980929 Report

Quoted By: >>48980941

>>48980881
Nothing has a soul, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:37:55 No.48980936 Report

Quoted By: >>48980949

>>48980923
skin IS alive when it is a part of you

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:38:29 No.48980940 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980891
Dynamaxing isn't either, so which is it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:38:37 No.48980941 Report

Quoted By: >>48980949

>>48980929
I literally said that you inbred

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:39:38 No.48980949 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980941
Was supposed to be to >>48980936

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:43:00 No.48980971 Report

Quoted By: >>48981000

>>48980923
>Shedinja is not a cadaver, therefore it's not a literal ghost.
It got POSSESED by a ghost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:43:27 No.48980979 Report

Quoted By: >>48980997

>>48980891
>non-Unova universe
>Unova universe
That's some pure distilled autism you got there. Unfortunately for you Pokemon company doesn't care about your feelings on the matter and there is only 1 universe where many aspects of gen 1 and gen 2 were retconned out by 3.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:45:46 No.48980997 Report

Quoted By: >>48981011 >>48981019 >>48981057

>>48980979
>Unfortunately for you Pokemon company doesn't care about your feelings on the matter and there is only 1 universe where many aspects of gen 1 and gen 2 were retconned out by 3.
Except for the existence of the multiverse as proven in USUM.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:46:04 No.48981000 Report

Quoted By: >>48981003

>>48980971
What makes you think that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:46:34 No.48981003 Report

Quoted By: >>48981014

>>48981000
pokedex

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:47:35 No.48981011 Report

Quoted By: >>48981023 >>48981046

>>48980997
I hope you meant ORAS but you made yourself a retard once again

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:48:14 No.48981014 Report

Quoted By: >>48981087

>>48981003
Please ellaborate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:48:49 No.48981018 Report

Quoted By:

I reported this thread because you fucking retards don’t know how to post without bumping this retarded shithead scumfuck pile of nonsense to the top of the catalog every two seconds.
Fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:48:51 No.48981019 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980997
Imagine being this retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:49:06 No.48981023 Report

Quoted By: >>48981046

>>48981011
ORAS was only Zinnia's theory. USUM has actual proof via alternate versions of the antagonists from universes where the protagonist didn't exist, thus meaning they won.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:51:39 No.48981046 Report

Quoted By: >>48981085 >>48986021

>>48981011
Not him, but thinking the multiverse was proven by ORAS you're a big casual too, as it was proven in BW.
ORAS was when theoryfags decided it happened.

>>48981023
>ORAS was only Zinnia's theory.
NO, Zinnia stated her clan observed the other world, play the games and read the text within.

>USUM has actual proof via alternate versions of the antagonists from universes where the protagonist didn't exist, thus meaning they won.
Nigga, USUM itself had "proof" before you finish the league.
Not that you played it though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:52:51 No.48981057 Report

Quoted By: >>48981066

>>48980997
The "multiverse" is just an in-universe explanation for retcons. It has no impact on the plot of any game. Functionally, there is only one universe that gets retconned every time a new gmae comes out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:54:26 No.48981066 Report

Quoted By: >>48986036

>>48981057
>The "multiverse" is just an in-universe explanation for retcons. I
Not really

>. It has no impact on the plot of any game. Functionally, there is only one universe that gets retconned every time a new gmae comes out.
That is true, but the multiverse existing in-lore is also true. Both statements arent directly contradictory.
Not to mention SM and USUM have a plot that(actually) involves going to a different world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:56:18 No.48981080 Report

Quoted By:

>>48977926
Hisui is and Isn't Sinnoh. Reminder the Rainbow Rocket Cyrus won in his Sinnoh and recreated his perfect world

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:57:13 No.48981085 Report

Quoted By: >>48981106 >>48981128

>>48981046
Actually, the multiverse was proven as early as GS via the Time Capsule (you interacting with the Kanto Protagonist has no impact or influence on the narrative or Red even though they're the only individual the Time Capsule lets you interact with), potentially even earlier in Red and Green since the only way to complete the Pokedex is to trade with alternate versions of yourself from other worlds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:57:37 No.48981087 Report

Quoted By: >>48981103

>>48981014
>A discarded bug shell that came to life. Peering into the crack on its back is said to steal one's spirit.
>Shedinja's hard body doesn't move—not even a twitch. In fact, its body appears to be merely a hollow shell. It is believed that this Pokémon will steal the spirit of anyone peering into its hollow body from its back.
>ghost type

it's not hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:59:49 No.48981103 Report

Quoted By: >>48981114

>>48981087
>Peering into the crack on its back is said to steal one's spirit.
SHEDINJA does that. It means that this happens AFTER it comes into existence.

Anon how retarded are you to not understand this basic concept?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 20:59:57 No.48981106 Report

Quoted By:

>>48981085
>the multiverse was proven as early as GS via the Time Capsule

The time capsule was just a game mechanic for backwards compatibility. It was removed in HGSS and thus erased from canon.

>since the only way to complete the Pokedex is to trade with alternate versions of yourself from other worlds.

Different versions aren't different universes. Canonically, the "version exclusive" Pokemon all exist regardless of what version you're playing. Your character in-universe doesn't have to trade to obtain them, they can be found in the wild like any other Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 21:01:18 No.48981114 Report

Quoted By: >>48981163

>>48981103
That's not my argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 21:02:53 No.48981128 Report

Quoted By:

>>48981085
That's gameplay though, not said directly.
Not to mention there are multiple ways to get teh same mon so trading a snorlax from RG shouldn't necesarilly mean Red can't get another that. AT most you're altering the timeline.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 21:06:56 No.48981163 Report

Quoted By: >>48981169

>>48981114
Then what is it, retard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 21:07:50 No.48981169 Report

Quoted By: >>48981181

>>48981163
it becomes alive and literally a ghost
that doesn't happen to Pokemon like Voltorb

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 21:10:09 No.48981181 Report

Quoted By: >>48981196

>>48981169
Case in point, Shedinja is not a dead Nincada. It's just Nincada skin that comes alive through pokémagic and has ghost powers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 21:12:54 No.48981196 Report

Quoted By: >>48981218

>>48981181
There's no reason to think ghost isn't a ghost other than mental gymnastics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 21:15:39 No.48981218 Report

Quoted By: >>48981236

>>48981196
>There's no reason to think Water-types aren't literally made of water other than mental gymnastics.

Anon as always being as smart as dead skin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 21:17:16 No.48981236 Report

Quoted By:

>>48981218
I accept your concession

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 21:21:31 No.48981268 Report

Quoted By: >>48981297 >>48981458

>>48977926
Please be joking, anon. I went to a meeting where I met some really smart, innovative humans today, and it made me feel a little better about humanity. However, seeing someone display such a lack of basic common sense in their post is bringing me way down. Not cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 21:25:52 No.48981297 Report

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>>48981268
This is a troll thread, if you look through it you can see how he actively avoids arguments presented by going into non-sequiturs.
Just ignore it anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 21:34:11 No.48981371 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980513
by dexcuting them of course. just like they did with the other cross gen evos in lgpe and bdsp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Dec 2021 21:46:26 No.48981458 Report

Quoted By: >>48983523

>>48981268
First time on /vp/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 00:12:28 No.48982661 Report

Quoted By: >>48982672

>>48977926
>>48977974
>>48979905
>>48979925
It's just a game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 00:13:51 No.48982672 Report

Quoted By: >>48982790

>>48982661
STOP BUMPING THE THREAD LET IT DIE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 00:33:37 No.48982790 Report

Quoted By:

>>48982672
but if we keep replying it'll autosage and thus retards can't bump it anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 00:39:30 No.48982836 Report

Quoted By:

>>48977974
Take your meds

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 00:41:10 No.48982844 Report

Quoted By: >>48983045

>>48979934
>he thinks all ghost pokemon are dead
Literal retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 01:08:32 No.48983045 Report

Quoted By:

>>48982844
Okay, but in the context of Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark, they kind of ARE vengeful spirits. It says right there that Zorua perished in the conditions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 02:10:17 No.48983523 Report

Quoted By:

>>48981458
Nope, been here since circa-2014. OP just happened to reach a seldom seen level of retardation for me, and that's saying A LOT.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 02:15:08 No.48983554 Report

Quoted By: >>48983581 >>48985978

>>48980103
WHAT THE FUCK ANON YOU TOLD ME IT DOESNT VANISH I TOOK MY ZOROARK TO SINNOH AND OH GOD HOW DO I MAKE IT STOP PLEEEEAAASE HELP ME

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 02:16:10 No.48983564 Report

Quoted By: >>48984913

>>48980124
>Phantump is dead people.
>Spiritomb is dead people.
>Yamask is dead people.
>ZORUA CAN'T BE DEAD!!

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 02:18:43 No.48983581 Report

Quoted By:

>>48983554
Your zoro belongs to me now
t. Arceus

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 05:31:53 No.48984913 Report

Quoted By: >>48985453

>>48983564
None of those are dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 06:01:43 No.48985108 Report

Quoted By: >>48987175

This thread is a fucking mess

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 06:18:07 No.48985205 Report

Quoted By:

>>48977926
>ORAS has post gen 3 pokemon
>the originals don't
either ORAS hoenn isn't really hoenn or the original games are straight up not canon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 07:01:01 No.48985453 Report

Quoted By:

>>48984913
prove it

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 07:53:48 No.48985773 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980229
>PocketMonsters aren't monsters
You are only making a fool of yourself if you honestly aproove of this corporate bullshit...

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 08:00:48 No.48985815 Report

Quoted By:

>>48977974
>Zoroark cannot physically exist in sinnoh because my feefees are hurt

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 08:04:14 No.48985834 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980113
>zorua perished
Anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 08:42:23 No.48985970 Report

Quoted By: >>48985995

>>48980568
>Spinarak is a Bug-type but it's not an insect.
Good thing all insects and spiders are bugs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 08:44:18 No.48985978 Report

Quoted By:

>>48983554
Its fine its just going to be revived in a new form

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 08:48:46 No.48985995 Report

Quoted By:

>>48985970
Informally yes, scientifically fuuuuck no even most insects aren't bugs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 08:53:58 No.48986021 Report

Quoted By: >>48988299

>>48981046
Ultra space isn't alternate universes you retard. Its alternate dimensions

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 08:56:54 No.48986036 Report

Quoted By: >>48988299

>>48981066
A different dimension not universe

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 08:58:29 No.48986042 Report

Quoted By:

There's like 5 separate bait arguments in this thread holy shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 09:32:33 No.48986200 Report

Quoted By:

>>48977926
>Elephants aren't indigenous to North America
>Woolly Mammoths in North America
Reminder that the North America between the Pleistocene and Holocene either isn't really North America or is straight up not canon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 10:04:03 No.48986331 Report

Quoted By: >>48986369 >>48988299

Do we even know what region zorua is naturally from? Like eevee is naturally from kalos and riolu is naturally from unova. But where is zorua from? Its found in usum I guess so is it only canon to that universe?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 10:16:39 No.48986366 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980055
>taking a The Sixth Sense reference this seriously

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 10:17:06 No.48986369 Report

Quoted By:

>>48986331
I mean hell we don't know which Pokemon are endemic to which region for sure. Retards get so hung up on Generations they seem to forget many Pokemon aren't necessarily endemic to the region. Not to mention the many Pokemon introduced in a Gen that aren't obtainable in the Wild until many Gens later, like BW2 making Riolu and Eevee available in the wild for the first time as you mentioned where they were previously gift exclusive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 13:00:17 No.48987008 Report

Quoted By:

>>48980076
>The anime also had the ghost of a ghost type...
There is no reason for this franchise to be this successfull

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 13:35:02 No.48987175 Report

Quoted By: >>48987539 >>48987783

>>48985108
it’s not my fault that people can’t explain why zoroark is in supossedly old sinnoh despite the fact that it physically can’t exist in sinnoh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 13:45:38 No.48987223 Report

Quoted By: >>48988299

>>48979905
>what is object permanence
Just because we haven't seen Sinnoh in the Mega timeline doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Cynthia appearing in the Battle Tree is enough to prove otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 14:50:27 No.48987539 Report

Quoted By: >>48989570

>>48987175
Site says it existed in Sinnoh and that Hisui is old Sinnoh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 15:50:33 No.48987783 Report

Quoted By:

>>48987175
take the L anon. you're autistic tranny headcanon isn't canon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 17:17:51 No.48988299 Report

Quoted By: >>48988446

>>48986021
>>48986036
"dimensions" in fiction are used as sinonimous with "universe" you idiots. Where the fuck are you when people mix "timeline" with "universe" in any case?
Just because a youtuber told you things happened a certain way doesn't mean that's the case.

>>48986331
>Do we even know what region zorua is naturally from?
It appears in the wild in Alola, Hoenn, Kalos and Galar so its not that exclusive.

>eevee is naturally from kalos and riolu is naturally from unov
source?

>>48987223
Oh, so the narrative now is that remake sinnoh is not MEga sinnoh

Nigga, you're arguing against someone who thinks like yourself and you're too dumb to realize it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 17:37:57 No.48988446 Report

Quoted By: >>48988491

>>48988299
Nope look at marvel multiple dimensions like hell or limbo or the negative zone for every universe in the multiverse. Same here. Ultra space is alternate dimensions in the same universe

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 17:41:05 No.48988465 Report

Quoted By:

>>48977926
>"""""canon"""""

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 17:46:23 No.48988491 Report

Quoted By:

>>48988446
>Nope look at marvel multiple dimensions like hell or limbo or the negative zone for every universe in the multiverse.
Totally different to what's presented in SM.

> Ultra space is alternate dimensions in the same universe
Nigga, one is literally a city, and Guzzlord's is an alternate Hau-oli city, they alterantive worlds.

Play the game, it really is not that hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 17:51:26 No.48988523 Report

Quoted By:

>>48977926
>zoroark physically can’t exist in sinnoh
Didn't realize braindead retarded people could type on a keyboard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 20:34:38 No.48989570 Report

Quoted By: >>48989607 >>48991969

>>48987539
>Site says it existed in Sinnoh
no, the site says it existed in Hisui not sinnoh.
>Hisui is old Sinnoh.
sinnoh from another universe maybe, but not of main universe sinnoh. the canon région from the games exist in a univers were gen 5+ mons don’t exist yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 20:40:29 No.48989607 Report

Quoted By: >>48989624

>>48989570
>the canon région from the games exist in a univers were gen 5+ mons don’t exist yet.
just like in Kanto only 151 first Pokemon existed

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Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 20:44:05 No.48989624 Report

Quoted By: >>48989648

>>48989607
well yes. technically 153 if you count Melton and her evolution

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 20:46:48 No.48989648 Report

Quoted By: >>48989675

>>48989624
how can you accept expension on Kanto but not on Sinnoh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 20:51:19 No.48989675 Report

Quoted By: >>48989742 >>48992559

>>48989648
one is a remake set in the same region as the original. the other is not. bdsp was the sinnoh remake and it didn’t expanded the dex therefore canon sinnoh exist outside of universe were mons from gen 5 and up exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 21:00:12 No.48989742 Report

Quoted By: >>48989763

>>48989675
you seem to follow a rule that doesn't exist
just becuase a game is from persepective of so called Sinnoh it doesn't mean it's the only source of information about it

anyway, the new book at canalave library acknowledges Hisui by making a direcr reference so it canonizes Hisui

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 21:03:44 No.48989763 Report

Quoted By: >>48989834

>>48989742
>anyway, the new book at canalave library acknowledges Hisui by making a direcr reference so it canonizes Hisui
source? does it mention any mons that don’t exist in sinnoh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Dec 2021 21:13:47 No.48989834 Report

Quoted By: >>48992551

>>48989763
>he doesn't know
This is basic knowledge what BDSP changed. If you don't know that then you simply aren't authorized to say what's canon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 01:02:43 No.48991535 Report

Quoted By:

Ayo?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 01:08:13 No.48991571 Report

Quoted By:

Trying to explain whether Ghost types mean they are dead are not is useless
They blatantly say that Hisuian Zorua are fucking dead

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 01:46:51 No.48991858 Report

Quoted By:

>Hisuain Zorua and Zoroark are bad end takes on Alolan Vulpix and Ninetales: Both are Fox Pokemon who entered a new region and migrated to snowy regions. However the Alolan Vulpix did so willingly to avoid conflict while the Zorua were driven to the snowy regionsbyconflict against them. The Alolan Vulpix adapted to the conditions while the Hisuian Zorua did not and died. The Alolan Vulpix and Ninetales are peaceful unless angered, while the Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark are aggressive unless befriended.
Just calm down fags

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 02:00:46 No.48991969 Report

Quoted By: >>48992521 >>48992559

>>48989570
>sinnoh from another universe maybe, but not of main universe sinnoh.

There's only one universe. Ever since Gen 6, all of that games have taken place in the universe that has Mega Evolution. That's literally the only difference.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 02:19:29 No.48992096 Report

Quoted By:

>>48977953
This

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Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 02:20:36 No.48992107 Report

Quoted By:

>>48977953
Everyone in Hisui has emotions though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 03:43:35 No.48992521 Report

Quoted By: >>48992559

>>48991969

>There's only one universe. Ever since Gen 6, all of that games have taken place in the universe that has Mega Evolution.
obviously no since mega evolutions haven’t existed since gen 7. also because zoroark dosen’t exist in the universe of sinnoh from the games

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 03:52:54 No.48992551 Report

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>>48989834
>This is basic knowledge what BDSP changed
what did bdsp changed beside qol that make it not dogshit like base dp?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 03:55:23 No.48992559 Report

Quoted By: >>48992799

>>48992521
>>48991969
>>48989675
>acting like the multiverse is actually canon and not just a bullshit excuse to "justify" new features not being in old games/features getting cut in new games
also have sex

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Anonymous Sun 12 Dec 2021 04:41:14 No.48992799 Report

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>>48992559
Was waiting for this response. You really gotta hate Poketubers for stirring up these theories

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