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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 00:06:39 No.49056979 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>49058051 >>49058104 >>49058344 >>49059435 >>49059735 >>49060206 >>49062951

Canonically the strongest pokemon

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 00:07:29 No.49056988 Report

Quoted By: >>49057361 >>49057949 >>49058051 >>49059735 >>49061304

behave yourself, heathen. you're in fug territory

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 00:09:02 No.49056998 Report

Quoted By: >>49058198

Is Arceus the worst example of writers depowering a character for the sake of plot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 00:21:07 No.49057076 Report

Quoted By: >>49057121

>720 BST
Poor thing could really use a buff if its to stay uber, which it will since its not a stallmon.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 00:25:46 No.49057107 Report

Quoted By: >>49058151

Canonically the hottest pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 00:29:00 No.49057121 Report

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>>49057076
its not in swsh or bdsp (not yet for the latter at least, idk)

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 01:06:17 No.49057361 Report

Quoted By: >>49057435 >>49057818 >>49059735

>>49056988
*AWOOS AT YOUR SORRY ASS*

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 01:14:47 No.49057435 Report

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>>49057361
literally who

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 01:18:44 No.49057463 Report

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>>49057435
Your worst nightmare

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 01:21:18 No.49057480 Report

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Lore>stats

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 02:11:31 No.49057737 Report

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>>49057463
If this isn't recency bias... I don't know what is

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 02:13:06 No.49057746 Report

Quoted By: >>49057761 >>49057799 >>49057979 >>49058040 >>49058336 >>49059810

>>49057737
Which one wins in showdown?

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 02:14:46 No.49057750 Report

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Reminder the form we see in games and the anime is just one of Arceus' thousand fingers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 02:16:44 No.49057761 Report

Quoted By: >>49057981

>>49057746
Zacian. Zacian beats everything, because it's newer.

The new Pokemon are purposefully made broken because of recency bias. That's why most OUmons are Gen 7-8 mons and a lot of iconic gen 1-5 mons are shit.

That's why the original regis are shit, and Regieleki gets 200 fucking speed while they don't even get recover

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 02:24:28 No.49057799 Report

Quoted By: >>49057887 >>49058381

>>49057746
Zacian is faster and has a better typing but mega rayquaza is slightly stronger and can afford to use an item which zacian cannot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 02:27:33 No.49057818 Report

Quoted By: >>49057961 >>49058206

>>49057361
*scarf v-creates you*

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 02:42:21 No.49057887 Report

Quoted By: >>49057901 >>49057903 >>49058405

>>49057799
>Mega
>Can afford to use an item
Anon...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 02:44:48 No.49057901 Report

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>>49057887
Does anybody want to tell him

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 02:44:58 No.49057903 Report

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>>49057887
And now you remember why Mega Fug was considered busted. Imagine if they also gave it move HP and three Z-Moves while letting it have an item still, I can't image how busted that would be,

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 02:53:12 No.49057949 Report

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>>49056988
>clicks Ice Beam
Nothing personal, kid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 02:55:25 No.49057961 Report

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>>49057818
>115 base speed vs 148 base speed
In your dreams, loser.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 02:55:48 No.49057963 Report

Quoted By: >>49059735

>>49057949
Kyutie-rem!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 02:58:20 No.49057979 Report

Quoted By: >>49058536

>>49057746
Mega Rayquaza, it can run Scarf or Sash or even the Fairy resist berry. The free item slot makes it way too versatile

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 02:59:27 No.49057981 Report

Quoted By: >>49058112

>>49057761
Mega Rayquaza and Primal Groudon are both stronger than Zacian and those came out over 7 years ago anon

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:04:20 No.49058003 Report

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What would be the strongest team ever?
For me it's
>White Kyurem
>Zacian
>Ultra Necrozma
>Primal Kyogre
>Primal Groudon
>Mega Rayquaza

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:15:47 No.49058040 Report

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>>49057746
Zacian because mega fug doesnt fucking exist in gen 8

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:17:24 No.49058051 Report

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>>49056979
Yes.
>>49056988
OP means in lore.
Also
>implying we're not getting some "ascended" Arcues form in her new game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:27:29 No.49058104 Report

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>>49056979
Mega Rayquaza and Mega Mewtwo are canonically stronger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:28:29 No.49058112 Report

Quoted By: >>49058166 >>49058212

>>49057981
What about Primal Kyogre? Why aren't you including the fish? Pretty sure it has exactly equal stats to Primal Groudon.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:34:12 No.49058151 Report

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>>49057107
Arceus is a whore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:36:08 No.49058166 Report

Quoted By: >>49058220

>>49058112
It can only fill one role, as a special wallbreaker (the strongest special wallbreaker there is, mind you) while Groudon is immensely versatile and can therefore fit into more teams
Not to mention that Groudon itself can switch into Kyogre anytime thanks to Desolate Land, but Primordial Sea does nothing to protect Kyogre from Ground-type moves

It's not as strong as Groudon or Rayquaza despite having similar stats, and likely isn't as strong as Zacian either

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:39:55 No.49058198 Report

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>>49056998
Are you talking about the Jewel of Life movie?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:41:01 No.49058206 Report

Quoted By: >>49058209

>>49057818
Fug doesn't need Scarf

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:41:45 No.49058209 Report

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>>49058206
Scarf beats zacian though.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:42:11 No.49058212 Report

Quoted By: >>49058239 >>49058240 >>49058277

>>49058112
Desolate Land is honestly a much better ability than Primordial Sea. Even though regular Kyogre was King of Ubers for three Gens (3-5), the weather nerf in Gen 6 caused it to lose its crown to Geomancy Xerneas and once it recieved its Primal Form in ORAS its spot was overtaken by its nemesis Groudon. Now in Gen 8 when Primals no longer exist, Kyogre is still unable to keep up with the powercreep. Comparison of Gen 5 Ubers to Gen 8 Ubers usage:

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:43:30 No.49058220 Report

Quoted By: >>49058241

>>49058166
I think you're letting smogon get to your head a little too much, Kyogre isn't used as a wall breaker in any of the world championship teams he's been on

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:45:28 No.49058239 Report

Quoted By: >>49058247 >>49058265

>>49058212
>the weather nerf
Elaborate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:45:39 No.49058240 Report

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>>49058212
And yet Kyogre was still used much more and made it much farther in the player's cup tournaments than Xerneas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:45:47 No.49058241 Report

Quoted By: >>49058252 >>49058265

>>49058220
Groudon is better in doubles too anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:46:41 No.49058247 Report

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>>49058239
IIRC weather conditions used to just keep going forever until a new weather condition was set, but then they changed it so it only lasts 5 turns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:47:42 No.49058252 Report

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>>49058241
Kyogre beat Groudon in the player's cup championships anon.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:48:56 No.49058259 Report

Quoted By: >>49058277

>>49058252
we were talking about the primal forms anon, the primal forms aren't in gen 8 at all

base form kyogre is obviously stronger than base form groudon, that's not debatable

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:49:38 No.49058265 Report

Quoted By: >>49058290 >>49058365

>>49058239
Weather setting abilities used to be permanent until another ability or move used to changed the weather. In Gen 6 Gamefreak nerfed it only five turns in response to the weather wars (mainly Sand Stream and Drizzle) >>49058241
plaguing the OU metagame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:52:17 No.49058277 Report

Quoted By: >>49058303

>>49058259
Got you mixed up with >>49058212
But in any case, Kyogre beat Groudon in the 2016 World Championships too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:54:25 No.49058290 Report

Quoted By: >>49058365

>>49058265
Gamefreak doesn't give any consideration to smogon for the metagame. OU had nothing to do with it, they decided on it based on their own ranked battles.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 03:56:35 No.49058303 Report

Quoted By: >>49058365

>>49058277
Groudon beat Kyogre in top cut of worlds 2016 and worlds 2019, though
https://www.pokemon.com/us/play-pokemon/worlds/2016/teams/masters/
https://www.pokemon.com/us/play-pokemon/worlds/2019/vgc-masters/

Also, gamefreak didn't nerf weather abilities as a "response to the OU metagame," smogon is fan-run and unofficial

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 04:00:39 No.49058336 Report

Quoted By: >>49058353 >>49058536

>>49057746
Scarf Mega Fug one shots Zacian
If it's without scarf, Behemoth Bash one-shots Mega Fug 62.5% of the time (Play Rough always one-shots)

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 04:01:48 No.49058344 Report

Quoted By: >>49059779

>>49056979
Is Arceus a goat?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 04:03:43 No.49058353 Report

Quoted By: >>49058368

>>49058336
Assuming the +1 ATK from the Intrepid Sword?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 04:05:53 No.49058365 Report

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>>49058303
I was talking about the winner of the whole thing, not who was on the most teams.

And why are you telling ME that gamefreak didn't nerf weather in "response to the OU metagame"? I already said that. I'm >>49058290
not>>49058265

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 04:06:22 No.49058368 Report

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>>49058353
yes, the calculator automatically takes that into account

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 04:08:32 No.49058381 Report

Quoted By: >>49058403

>>49057799
Zacian effectively has a 900+ BST thanks to its ability it doesn't need any item

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 04:13:35 No.49058403 Report

Quoted By: >>49058407

>>49058381
Try using Zacian without the Rusted Sword equipped, see what happens

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 04:14:02 No.49058405 Report

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>>49057887
>being this new

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 04:15:21 No.49058407 Report

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>>49058403
Meant Zacian C, srry

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 04:20:04 No.49058429 Report

Quoted By: >>49058496 >>49058577

okay, explain to me, why is primal groudon better?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 04:34:01 No.49058496 Report

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>>49058429
Desolate Land nullifies Water moves, so Groudon with its Ground/Fire typing is only weak to Ground attacks. Primordial Sea nullifies Fire moves, but Kyogre already resists fire moves, so it doesn't help much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 04:40:08 No.49058536 Report

Quoted By: >>49058564

>>49058336
>>49057979
>needs man-made items to win
Do fugfags really?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 04:43:31 No.49058564 Report

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>>49058536
1 nobody said fug needs anything
2 >implying berries are manmade.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 04:44:32 No.49058577 Report

Quoted By: >>49058584

>>49058429
Better than who?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 04:45:20 No.49058584 Report

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>>49058577
It's better than "whom" anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 07:20:29 No.49059435 Report

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>>49056979
All hail our lord Arceus. May every knee bow, may every tongue confess.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 09:00:53 No.49059735 Report

Quoted By: >>49061106 >>49061324

>>49056979
>>49056988
>>49057361
>>49057949
>>49057963
Kneel

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 09:13:48 No.49059779 Report

Quoted By: >>49059783

>>49058344
arceus is based off a qilin or a horse, and the ring around it's mid-section could be based off the ophanim, an extremely high-ranked entity in heaven.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 09:14:49 No.49059783 Report

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>>49059779
also, so close for holy trips...damn...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 09:20:38 No.49059802 Report

Quoted By: >>49061120

>>49057949
Kyurem White is basically a slightly stronger OU mon. With the DD TR, it's not even a contest on which one is better now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 09:22:34 No.49059810 Report

Quoted By: >>49061092

>>49057746
Zacian is overall better. Both it's forms are extremely powerful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 11:45:54 No.49060206 Report

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>>49056979
Source?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 15:28:57 No.49061092 Report

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>>49059810
megafug overshoots her in every possible way.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 15:31:05 No.49061106 Report

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>>49059735
I gladly fall before her

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 15:33:20 No.49061120 Report

Quoted By: >>49061298

>>49059802
>DD
But White Kyurem is special attacker, and easily kills Rayquaza before it evens has the opportunity to set a Dragon Dance or two.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 16:01:17 No.49061298 Report

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>>49061120
inb4 some fag comes with muh focus sash outrage extreme speed

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 16:02:29 No.49061304 Report

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>>49056988
I'm sorry fug but Drapult will put you to bed real quick

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 16:06:11 No.49061324 Report

Quoted By: >>49061488

>>49059735
>Gets jobbed by two dogs holding manmade items

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 16:34:25 No.49061488 Report

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>>49061324
It's not told if the items are manmade.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 19:32:46 No.49062881 Report

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actually I think spergo is but its oky ur alowed to disagree but im just saying he has some pretty good wizard moves he can totally ar least last longer in a bazmain fight

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 19:40:00 No.49062951 Report

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>>49056979
That's only one of its hands, a mere avatar to interact with the universe it's created without literally shattering the minds of anyone who gazes upon its glory before their time is ready.
The true Arceus is closer to an incomprehensibly beautiful and all powerful being more expected of the "God who made all".

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