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Someone explain to me why this makes the game bad

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 16:22:48 No.49061422 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>49061437 >>49061454 >>49061456 >>49061474 >>49061766

Seen about 8 threads of people spamming that fucking video by "Pro Nuzlocker" cuck telling people why "gen 2 bad" but there's a part he and his legion focus on and I don't get why it's a big deal:

>CHARMANDER AND CYNDAQUIL HAVE THE SAME STATS!?!? GAME BAD!!!11!!

Why? That seems like a small piece of trivia at most, why is 1 starer having the same stats as another game ruining?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 16:25:22 No.49061434 Report

Quoted By: >>49061466 >>49061473 >>49061481 >>49061900

Notice how all Johto criticisms are just minor nitpicks that don't actually affect the quality or enjoyment of the game? It's because they know Johto is objectively flawless and so they need to find little things to complain about and blow them up to make Johto look bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 16:25:27 No.49061437 Report

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>>49061422
It's not, I never even noticed this when I played the games as a kid

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 16:28:22 No.49061454 Report

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>>49061422
>Johto needs Kanto to be good
To be expected

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 16:28:40 No.49061456 Report

Quoted By: >>49061492

>>49061422
Because GF intentionally sabotaged the Johto starters to be weaker than the Kanto ones and they seem to have neglected them even in merchanising and advertisements. They never even showed Typhlosion in the anime until Hoenn (unless you count the Raikou special, which still wasn't dubbed into English until the end of Hoenn), which is ironic as Blaziken appeared in the Johto anime under Harrison to shill Ruby and Sapphire. While Blaziken and Infernape were actively shilled (still not nearly as much as Charizard, for obvious reasons), Typhlosion was just sort of there. Same with Meganium and Feraligatr.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 16:30:43 No.49061466 Report

Quoted By: >>49061479

>>49061434
Some of the critiques I get, like yeah: Houndour being level something-teen in the post game is dumb.

But this shit, I really don't get it; I never noticed it until someone pointed it out let alone never consdering it a flaw..

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 16:32:30 No.49061473 Report

Quoted By: >>49062386

>>49061434
same thing happens with kalos

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 16:32:32 No.49061474 Report

Quoted By: >>49061506

>>49061422
Same pokemon then

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 16:33:11 No.49061479 Report

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>>49061466
The only truly objective flaw with Johto is that Kanto was cucked in GSC, and even then, it's a minor issue at most. It was fixed in HGSS too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 16:33:33 No.49061481 Report

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>>49061434
If many "nitpicks" pile up then it's not a small flaw...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 16:34:48 No.49061492 Report

Quoted By: >>49061497 >>49061533

>>49061456
>It's bad because Game freak secretly sabotaged this generation and 2 pokemon from different gens have the same stats proves it!

What else do the voices say Anon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 16:36:01 No.49061497 Report

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>>49061492
To kill them all...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 16:37:12 No.49061506 Report

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>>49061474
If you ignore their different appearances...and learnable moves...and typing...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 16:43:01 No.49061533 Report

Quoted By: >>49062337

>>49061492
It's a fact that the Johto starters were treated worse by GameFreak than any other starter trio except maybe the Unovan one. Other regions often had one starter stealing all the spotlight from the others, like Cinderace in Galar, Greninja in Kalos, and CHARIZARD in KANTOOOO, but GameFreak seems to dislike all the Johto staters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 17:19:41 No.49061766 Report

Quoted By: >>49061794

>>49061422
It's peak laziness

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 17:21:20 No.49061768 Report

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They don't even have the same stats either. Gen I charmander had the same sp attack and sp def

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 17:22:24 No.49061774 Report

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>B-but muh level curve!!!

Implying you won't easily steam role the entire game, like every other Pokemon game.

Unless you're doing some self imposed challenge run, you don't need to grind in these games; just fight the trainers on the way ffs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 17:23:43 No.49061779 Report

Quoted By: >>49061809

>Johtoddlers still crying about much eceleb not liking my children’s game
Sad!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 17:25:56 No.49061794 Report

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>>49061766
>Peak laziness
>Same game added so much new and built off the previous games; added stuff they didn't even need to.

Retrace your steps, seems you dropped your brain somewhere...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 17:28:23 No.49061809 Report

Quoted By: >>49061816 >>49061940

>>49061779
Nigga, I don't give a fuck what his royal basedness thinks.

Just pointing out that level curve complaint means nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 17:29:24 No.49061816 Report

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>>49061809
Replaced with based.

Not even mad; that's pretty based.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 17:41:56 No.49061900 Report

Quoted By: >>49061936 >>49061944

>>49061434
jhoto criticism: Most if not the large quantity of gen 2 pokemon SUCK, so much so that the game uses gen 1 as a crutch.

Why doesn't bugsy have an ariados or ledian? because they suck, give him a scyther
Why does Mortys ENTIRE GYM is Gastly line, in GSC AND HGSS, why make misdreavus if you won't use it... because it SUCKS.

Fighting Gym has 0 jhoto mons in GSC AND HGSS, fucking heracross and hitmontop would have been amazing choices, but no.

I could keep going with skarmory in the steel gym...
NOCTOWL for the first damn gym at least

The games have AWFUL pokemon selection

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 17:47:59 No.49061936 Report

Quoted By: >>49061941 >>49061948

>>49061900
>Most if not the large quantity of gen 2 pokemon SUCK
No they don't. See pic rel.
>so much so that the game uses gen 1 as a crutch.
It's a sequel. Not only that, but I don't see how this is a valid flaw. Like, why does this make game bad? I don't get it.

>Why doesn't bugsy have an ariados or ledian? because they suck, give him a scyther
Ok, and?
>Why does Mortys ENTIRE GYM is Gastly line, in GSC AND HGSS, why make misdreavus if you won't use it... because it SUCKS.
Ok, and?

See, you pointed out things that aren't actually flaws, attempted to paint them as flaws, but have failed to actually explain WHY they're flaws. You're literally proving my point.

>Fighting Gym has 0 jhoto mons in GSC AND HGSS, fucking heracross and hitmontop would have been amazing choices, but no.
Ok, and? Why does this make the game bad? Besides, Poliwrath fits perfectly as Chuck's ace, theming-wise.

>I could keep going with skarmory in the steel gym...
>NOCTOWL for the first damn gym at least
Explain why this is a flaw. Also, Noctowl doesn't really fit Falkner's character. Pidgeotto does.

You're proving my point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 17:48:29 No.49061940 Report

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>>49061809
Sure you don’t

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Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 17:48:30 No.49061941 Report

Quoted By: >>49061995

>>49061936
Forgot pic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 17:48:48 No.49061944 Report

Quoted By: >>49061969 >>49061995

>>49061900
>why
Because the new Pokemon were supposed to be found by you, the player. You had to find Ariados. Instead of just having it spoiled by seeing a gym leader use it. Exceptions like Steelix make sense because you need trading to get them. It made perfect sense as GS was a sequel where the premise was finding the new Pokemon yourself. The new Pokemon were supposed to be new to everyone in game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 17:49:27 No.49061948 Report

Quoted By: >>49061989

>>49061936
WHY make new pokemon if you aren't going to use ANY of them in the game,

Also what pic?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 17:52:36 No.49061969 Report

Quoted By: >>49061989 >>49062010 >>49062120

>>49061944
It also gave meaning to completing the Pokedex (you were the first person in game to find them and catch them). It also made you a unique trainer with rare Pokemon compared to the NPCs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 17:54:09 No.49061989 Report

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>>49061948
>WHY make new pokemon if you aren't going to use ANY of them in the game,
They did. Also, see >>49061969

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 17:54:42 No.49061995 Report

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>>49061941
I won't use legendary stat if you don't mind, and I believe gen 3 has a better pokemon spread with WORSE stats apparently, that is new to me honestly.

but going back to >>49061944 the point of trainers having the pokemon is so you know they exist... I don't think "explore" is a good rebuttal is all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 17:56:18 No.49062010 Report

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>>49061969
if they are in the pokedex they are already existed so a dex entry could be written... WHAT!?!?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 17:59:45 No.49062046 Report

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>Johtokeks still upset that not everyone worships their games anymore
Easily the most fragile fanbase.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 18:07:43 No.49062120 Report

Quoted By: >>49062132

>>49061969
congratulations you found the 1% encounter rate of snubbull on route 38, heres a shit pokemon...
You found the 1% dunsparce in dark cave, nice one, here is a criminally bad pokemon...
Did you find that 1% marill at Mt. Mortor, thats awesome, have a bad water mon...

I don't want to have to say this about jhoto, i like jhoto, but we can't just disregard obvious issues, why explore if you are rewarded with worse pokemon, BUT NEEEEWW

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 18:09:32 No.49062132 Report

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>>49062120
None of those are shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 18:32:24 No.49062337 Report

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>>49061533
This, Game Freak nad TPC aren't even subtle about how much they hate Johto starters and their fans.
>no unique menu sprites in Gen II when the Kanto starters got them
>almost no merch
>almost no cards
>no hidden abilities until Gen 6 and 2/3's of them are direct downgrade of Kanto’s With Flash Fire is the Blandest ability a Fire type can get and Leaf Guard is a joke.
>actively skipped over for Megas while being between two sets of starters that got them.
>Dexit
>The only thing the Johto's had to make them interesting was being the only pure typed starter trio, but was ruined by the Galar starters position and to add insult the Galar starters are minimaxed and competitively optimized starters in history while the Johto starters have always been the most useless trio of starters with Feralgitar being the one to ever be viable in OU.

Even when comparing them to Unova, Emboar and Samurott have insanely broken movepools that would make the Kanto starters jealous and Serperior has Contrary one of the best abilities in the game. Meanwhile Typhlosion has the worst movepool of any special attacking fire type, and Meganium has the worst ability of any grass type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 18:38:31 No.49062386 Report

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>>49061473
>same thing happens with kalos
keep dreaming kalosperm. the only "good" thing about your shithole of a region is that it’s slightly less awful than shitnova.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Dec 2021 19:23:05 No.49062793 Report

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>JOOOOOOTHOOOOOOOO HOURS
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