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>>49082155
i know this is bait but im gonna spell it out for you incase it isnt
>dual special types
>special attacking stat of 45
>i-it was a good thing tho! j-just use dark/ice special attackers haha

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:31:12 No.49082168 Report

Quoted By: >>49082174

>>49082164
>they designed this pokemon that was created after the phys/spec split around the phys/spec split!

are you ok OP? do you have brain damage?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:32:09 No.49082170 Report

Quoted By: >>49082176

>>49082153
The only people who say it was bad are those who never even considered competitive. Guarantee you they ran Ember/Fire Spin/Flamethrower/Fire Blast on their Charizard lmao

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:33:04 No.49082174 Report

Quoted By: >>49082176

>>49082168
>evo of a gen 2 mon
>same issue

?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:33:30 No.49082176 Report

Quoted By: >>49082181 >>49082203 >>49082205 >>49082215

>>49082170
it's the opposite, the people who don't play competitive are the only ones cock sucking the split

>>49082174
What issue?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:34:06 No.49082179 Report

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>make most johtomons actually decent
Based

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:34:49 No.49082181 Report

Quoted By: >>49082200

>>49082176
>>dual special types
>>special attacking stat of 45

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:36:51 No.49082189 Report

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:39:44 No.49082200 Report

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>>49082181
And? Just use physical moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:40:32 No.49082203 Report

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>>49082176
>it's the opposite
it’s really not. Every time the split is mentioned there are always a bunch of contrarian normies trying to hate on it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:40:49 No.49082205 Report

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>>49082176
>it's the opposite
false.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:41:11 No.49082207 Report

Quoted By: >>49082214

>>49082155
But Sneasel did, with two Specia types and 35 SpA. Dark types in general were much better off after the split.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:42:09 No.49082214 Report

Quoted By: >>49082220 >>49082230

>>49082207
>Dark types in general were much better off after the split.
No they weren't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:42:12 No.49082215 Report

Quoted By: >>49082216

>>49082176
Which competitive players are complaining about the split?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:42:40 No.49082216 Report

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>>49082215
not a single one, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:43:31 No.49082220 Report

Quoted By: >>49082228 >>49082244

>>49082214
Between Gens 2 and 3, the only one who was actually a special attacker was Houndoom, and it still gets Dark Pulse. I’m beginning to question how much you actually know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:44:56 No.49082228 Report

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>>49082220
By “actually a special attacker”, I mean “SpA>Atk”. Not all of them were as bad as Sneasel

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:45:27 No.49082230 Report

Quoted By: >>49082244

>>49082214
>list of dark types who benefited from the split
Tyrannitar
Crawdaunt
Sharpedo
Mighteyena
Sneasel
>list of dark types unaffected by the split
Umbreon
Murkrow
>list of dark types actively harmed by the split
houndoom? because pursuit isn’t special? that’s all I could think of

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:48:03 No.49082244 Report

Quoted By: >>49082259 >>49082260 >>49082267 >>49082419 >>49082428

>>49082220
>Between Gens 2 and 3, the only one who was actually a special attacker was Houndoom,
What do you mean by "actually a special attacker"? Was every other Pokemon somehow not able to use special attacks?

>>49082230
>Tyrannitar
>Crawdaunt
>Sharpedo
>Mighteyena
>Sneasel
Literally none of these benefited from the split. They all either stayed the same or got worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:48:52 No.49082247 Report

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>it's another alternate history thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:50:20 No.49082258 Report

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>>49082153
nobody who's not blatantly shitposting actually believes this. at most they figure gf didn't implement it the best, which is fair because gf is pretty retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:50:34 No.49082259 Report

Quoted By: >>49082276

>>49082244
Sneasel got worse? Because its STAB doesn’t run on 35 SpA? OK, that settles it. You’re not to be taken seriously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:50:36 No.49082260 Report

Quoted By: >>49082276

>>49082244
All of those Pokémon had purely special STABs except Tyrannitar (who still benefits from physical dark moves) and their Attack stats are all much higher than their Special Attack stats. What do you mean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:51:17 No.49082267 Report

Quoted By: >>49082276

>>49082244
>They all either stayed the same or got worse.
Stop trolling. You're really bad at it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:53:35 No.49082276 Report

Quoted By: >>49082280 >>49082291 >>49082305 >>49082350

>>49082259
>Sneasel got worse?
Yes, it did. You know there are Pokemon in the game other than Sneasel that were affected by the same changes, right?

>>49082260
>All of those Pokémon had purely special STABs except Tyrannitar
So? Are they magically unable to run moves other than their STAB or something?

>>49082267
Get better arguments. You're really bad at it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:55:13 No.49082280 Report

Quoted By: >>49082287

>>49082276
Why would them being able to use their STAB moves off their higher Attack stay be a “nerf”? You’re quite slow, Anonymous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:55:33 No.49082284 Report

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Dynamax is a good mechanic because it made Sneasel better

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:56:37 No.49082287 Report

Quoted By: >>49082297 >>49082333

>>49082280
>can't fathom other pokemon existing in the game
>calls other people slow

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:57:37 No.49082291 Report

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>>49082276
You brought up Sneasel, and you haven’t brought up any convincing examples.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:58:16 No.49082297 Report

Quoted By: >>49082299 >>49082333

>>49082287
>still hasn’t addressed my point
>introduces random new argument instead
I accept your concession.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:58:37 No.49082299 Report

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>>49082297
>>still hasn’t addressed my point
What point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:59:10 No.49082304 Report

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Oh no bro the shitmon who was never used seriously got worse because Shadow Ball isn’t physical (what do you mean a physical move shouldn’t lower special defense?) How will I live aaaa

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:59:11 No.49082305 Report

Quoted By: >>49082311 >>49082320

>>49082276
The argument was whether or not they got better or worse from the split.

All of these pokemon gained the ability to use stab physical attacks of their superior attacking stat and could still use dark pulse if they wanted a special attack.

You're objectively wrong and will kill yourself tonight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 06:59:54 No.49082311 Report

Quoted By: >>49082333 >>49082335

>>49082305
>The argument was whether or not they got better or worse from the split
Yeah, they didn't. The reason why they didn't is because other Pokemon exist in the game. You're not very smart, are you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:01:44 No.49082320 Report

Quoted By: >>49082328

>>49082305
Stop arguing with the troll. You’re better than that anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:03:32 No.49082328 Report

Quoted By: >>49082344 >>49082388

>>49082320
Glad you agree Dynamax is a good mechanic because Sneasel became better because of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:03:54 No.49082331 Report

Quoted By: >>49082354

I wonder if you guys think Absol legitimately got worse in Gen 4

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:04:09 No.49082332 Report

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>>49082153
Earthquake should've been special. Prove me wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:04:24 No.49082333 Report

Quoted By: >>49082345

>>49082287
>>49082297
>>49082311
>still hasn't said why the existence of other pokemon makes the split a negative for dark types
Can't refute your point if you don't make one, kiddo. Take the fact that you're being clowned by literally everyone else in the thread as a hint that you should fellate a shotgun

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:04:45 No.49082335 Report

Quoted By: >>49082345

>>49082311
I’m sure the additions of Burmy and Finneon really changed the meta, and these new threats totally matter more than being able to use their strongest attacks off their highest stat
Fucking retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:06:41 No.49082344 Report

Quoted By: >>49082352

>>49082328
What

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:06:53 No.49082345 Report

Quoted By: >>49082360 >>49082368 >>49082370

>>49082333
Anon, if every Pokemon gets +20 added to their stats, except for Sneasel, who got only +10 added to its stats, did Sneasel did get buffed? Yes or no? I'm sure even your tiny brain can figure this one out.

>>49082335
Other Pokemon in the game matter, yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:07:35 No.49082350 Report

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>>49082276
You literally don't even have any argument. Get out of here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:07:54 No.49082352 Report

Quoted By: >>49082353

>>49082344
Sneasel got better because of Dynamax. Now it's able get doubled HP, become immune to flinching and use 130+ BP Max Moves with good secondary effects. Therefore Dynamax is a good mechanic because it buffed Sneasel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:08:21 No.49082353 Report

Quoted By: >>49082362

>>49082352
What

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:08:23 No.49082354 Report

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>>49082331
>Absol's only gimmick pre-split was being a baton passer
OH NO NO NO NO
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
DO PRE-SPLIT KEKS REALLY

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:09:31 No.49082360 Report

Quoted By: >>49082362

>>49082345
Sneasel is unevolved you fucking idiot. Of course it's gonna have shittier stats than an evolved Pokémon. Get the hell out and stop trolling people about a kids game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:09:53 No.49082362 Report

Quoted By: >>49082369 >>49082376 >>49082380 >>49082383

>>49082353
My post was pretty clear, anon. Which part do you not understand?

>>49082360
Did Sneasel get buffed? Yes or no?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:10:31 No.49082364 Report

Quoted By: >>49082378 >>49082386

What Pokémon truly suffered from the split? Everything that lost coverage/STAB got either new moves or was shit anyway. If more benefited from it than those that didn’t, it’s a good change. The change is done regardless so cope

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:11:29 No.49082368 Report

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>>49082345
>Sneasel, who got only +10 added to its stats, did Sneasel did get buffed?
Yes. It's +10. + means buff. If it was a nerf, it would be -10. Go learn math.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:11:35 No.49082369 Report

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>>49082362
What

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:11:42 No.49082370 Report

Quoted By: >>49082392

>>49082345
Sneasel is more useful in gen 4 than 3 even with regard to the rise in strength of other pokemon and the meta overall. Pre-split sneasel couldn't do anything, post-split has at least niche use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:12:44 No.49082376 Report

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>>49082362
???

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:12:58 No.49082378 Report

Quoted By: >>49082387

>>49082364
>Special attackers that liked the elemental punches.
>Physical attackers that liked Hidden Power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:13:12 No.49082380 Report

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>>49082362
Define what it means to be buffed first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:13:46 No.49082383 Report

Quoted By: >>49082392

>>49082362
Just because it didn't get buffed as much as other Pokémon doesn't mean that it got nerfed. If it has an increase of stats whatsoever then that's a buff. Stop trolling poorly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:14:49 No.49082386 Report

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>>49082364
Sceptile got fucked pretty hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:14:57 No.49082387 Report

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>>49082378
>>Special attackers that liked the elemental punches.
>>Physical attackers that liked Hidden Power.
Neither of which had any severe losses because, again, you either received better coverage or we’re going to be shit regardless of the split or not. Nothing had a Gen 1 Tauros level nerf

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:14:58 No.49082388 Report

Quoted By: >>49082392

>>49082328
>everything must be a defense of SwSh
I can't imagine being this mentally ill.
Use /vp/ less, schizo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:15:45 No.49082392 Report

Quoted By: >>49082402 >>49082409

>>49082370
>Sneasel is more useful in gen 4 than 3 even with regard to the rise in strength of other pokemon
No it didn't.

>>49082383
>Just because it didn't get buffed as much as other Pokémon doesn't mean that it got nerfed.
Yes it does.

>>49082388
You're the one defending Sword and Shield by using this terrible logic to argue the split is good, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:16:15 No.49082393 Report

Quoted By: >>49082400

notice how the retarded troll knows he lost the argument that dark types benefited from the split, so he introduces a completely irrelevant thing into the argument. Fucking magikarp benefits from dynamax.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:19:23 No.49082400 Report

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>>49082393
>magikarp benefits from dynamax
Hey, as long as you're being consistent anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:19:44 No.49082402 Report

Quoted By: >>49082406

>>49082392
No it doesn't.
+ does not equal -
If you want stronger Sneasel then just fucking evolve it you smoothbrain.
> my unevolved Pokémon got buffed but not as much as evolved Pokémon.
>Oh My GoD iT gOt NeRfEd!!1!1!1

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:20:26 No.49082406 Report

Quoted By: >>49082408

>>49082402
I didn't say anything about unevolved or evolved Pokemon. I just said every Pokemon except Sneasel gets +20 while Sneasel gets +10.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:21:09 No.49082408 Report

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>>49082406
The only Pokémon that got +20 were evolved forms, the ones that didn't were unevolved forms. How is this so difficult for you to understand?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:21:14 No.49082409 Report

Quoted By: >>49082423

>>49082392
>Pre-split is bad because it's just like Dynamax which I will assume you dislike for no reason, no I will not elaborate on my own opinion on Dynamax, which is likely positive
I am not playing your game autist

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:24:45 No.49082419 Report

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>>49082244
>Tyrannitar getting STAB Crunch isnt a benefit
kek good one bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:25:39 No.49082423 Report

Quoted By: >>49082430

>>49082409
Well anon? Do you dislike Dynamax?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:26:11 No.49082427 Report

Quoted By: >>49082435

Correct me if I'm wrong, but here's my attempt ata TL:DR of the anti-split argument
>Guts mixed attackers
>Gets rid of a lot of type identity
>Walls who could tank out their weaknesses were valued more
Anything else?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:26:34 No.49082428 Report

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>>49082244
>Literally none of these benefited from the split
Crunch for example becoming a physical move definitely benefitted Tyranitar, Crawdaunt, Sharpedo, and Mightyena.

I didn't mention Sneasle or Weavile because they can't learn it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:27:00 No.49082430 Report

Quoted By: >>49082442

>>49082423
Explain the relevance of that to this topic., and why you assume people who like post-split don't like dynamax.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:29:01 No.49082435 Report

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>>49082427
If a Pokemon had the stats for mixed attacking, the split wouldn’t change that. If anything, it would be the cap on EVs after Gen 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:29:11 No.49082438 Report

Quoted By: >>49082447

Guys I swear Gengar got worse because of the split

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:29:28 No.49082439 Report

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>the split didn't buff anything according to my definition of what it means to buff something
>the split is like dynamax. You don't like SwSh right? This board doesn't like SwSh right? That means you must hate dynamax and the split. Stay consistent!
These are mindgames and not arguments

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:30:22 No.49082442 Report

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>>49082430
I just want to know what kind of standard and definitions you're using.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:31:24 No.49082447 Report

Quoted By: >>49082450 >>49082458

>>49082438
It did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:38:00 No.49082450 Report

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>>49082447
false.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:40:41 No.49082458 Report

Quoted By: >>49082463

>>49082447
All gengar lost was the elemental punches, and hidden power is basically the same thing but slightly weaker. It got to actually use its ghost and poison types offensively instead. He benefited from the change.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:41:53 No.49082461 Report

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>WAAAAH I CANT SWEEP EVERY GYM MY ELEMENTAL PUNCHES THE GAME IS RUINED

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:43:34 No.49082463 Report

Quoted By: >>49082474 >>49082489 >>49082499

>>49082458
>All gengar lost was the elemental punches
That's a pretty massive thing to lose.

>and hidden power is basically the same thing
No it isn't. You can only run one Hidden Power while you can run up to three elemental punches.

>It got to actually use its ghost and poison types offensively
Why the fuck would I care about this when I can just hit things super-effectively with punches instead?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:46:02 No.49082474 Report

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>>49082463
>Why do I care about something getting better when all I wanna do is punch things?
Kyle energy right there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:47:04 No.49082477 Report

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>>49082161
Wojakposters who think a Pokémon being able to effectively use its STABs is le soulless.

These are also the same people that argue against certain shitmons or typings being buffed and sprout out philosophy quotes or strawmen as if they're spewing out intelligent counter-arguements.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:50:42 No.49082489 Report

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>>49082463
So if it were to have the punches replaced by ib, tb, and ft would the issue still remain for gengar? I apologize if this comes off as being a smug asshole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:52:12 No.49082499 Report

Quoted By: >>49082509 >>49082591

>>49082463
why the fuck would you run 3 elemental punches. Thunderbolt is right there.
also having special fighting type moves is really good, gengar can actually kill dark types with focus blast now whereas before it was just fucked against pursuit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:54:29 No.49082509 Report

Quoted By: >>49082520

>>49082499
>also having special fighting type moves is really good, gengar can actually kill dark types with focus blast now whereas before it was just fucked against pursuit
Reasoning with braindead shitposters always end in failure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 07:58:52 No.49082520 Report

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>>49082509
wow you really refuted my argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 08:14:44 No.49082575 Report

Quoted By: >>49082602 >>49082604 >>49082612

I think I understand what the anon is trying to get at but hes completely misguided

First regarding buffs, what defines a buff in games is how the mon/character was statwise in the previous patch not its relation to other characters in the game. Giving +10 to sneasel is an overall increase regardless of what you give to other mons. Giving everything else +20 while can give sneasel more threats doesnt automatically mean it cant outperform other mons if its able to utilize it's plus +10 more than their +20

Now on to dynamax. The phy/spec split is good because it game a lot of more more viability and actually allowed them to make use of their stats. Whats the point of sneasels high attack stat if all its stab is special. Now if we define a good mechanic only by how much it increased viability then yes dynamax is good because it gave every mon the same buff. Megas were also good in concept but giving it to mons like ttar who were already good was dumb. The issue with dynamax however is that its not balanced for singles, ofc it works great in doubles since gf puts extra priority on it bc its their official format but most people don't play doubles competitive so theyll only experience it in singles

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 08:18:57 No.49082591 Report

Quoted By: >>49082593

>>49082499
>also having special fighting type moves is really good
Not when it misses 30% of the time.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 08:19:50 No.49082593 Report

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>>49082591

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 08:24:06 No.49082602 Report

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>>49082575
>Megas were also good in concept but giving it to mons like ttar who were already good was dumb
Then there was making Mega Kang which made an essentially worthless pokemon busted as fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 08:24:10 No.49082603 Report

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>>49082153
He was a cornerstone of my team in the DS days, and he will be again here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 08:24:21 No.49082604 Report

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>>49082575
Stop trying to reason with this fucking idiot. All he does is move the goalposts when he gets shit on by everyone else in the thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 08:26:55 No.49082612 Report

Quoted By: >>49082624

>>49082575
>not its relation to other characters in the game
[citation needed]

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 08:31:03 No.49082623 Report

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So while the schizos fight, may I ask what the slightly more sane people are doing in their mean time? Personally I'm working on some sprite art.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 08:31:04 No.49082624 Report

Quoted By:

>>49082612
>[citation needed]
Yeah, by YOU retard. Every single person here agrees with the stance anon described. You're the only one who disagrees, the burden of proof is on you. Make an argument worth reading or kys

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