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Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 13:48:32 No.49083571 View View Reply Original Report

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People always complain about our rivals being too nice, but has anyone considered that we, the player character, are the mean rival?

Hop
>Steal his dream of becoming champion
>Curbstomp him in front of a crowd chanting his name

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 13:51:11 No.49083579 Report

Quoted By: >>49086878 >>49097135

Sound like something a loser would say.
>Now bring me Leon, my true rival and future husband

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 14:01:39 No.49083612 Report

Quoted By: >>49086628 >>49087434

>>49083571
>If you win a competition, you are mean because you beat someone else who also wanted to win

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 16:57:13 No.49084711 Report

Quoted By: >>49086631 >>49088648 >>49090203

>>49083571
Hop was made to be stabbed to death with a kitchen knife. He is not a cute girl like Shauna. The only male rival in Galar I enjoyed is Bede.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 21:02:32 No.49086607 Report

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…BASED?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 21:05:08 No.49086628 Report

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>>49083571
>>49083612

I always tried to pick the negative options even when dealing with the airhead wannabe professor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 21:05:49 No.49086631 Report

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>>49084711
Bede is great, but I have to confess some level of perverse sadistic joy in ruining Hop's dreams over and over. If only gamefreak could actually write decent dialogue, I might have been more into it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 21:11:08 No.49086689 Report

Quoted By: >>49092744

>>49083571
You destroy everyone's dreams. Hop, Marnie, Bede, and Leon. Marnie and Bede settle for being gym leaders and there's no indication that Marnie being a gym leader has helped Spikemuth quit being such a ghetto. And then even with a legendary Hop doesn't think he's cut out to be a pro Galar trainer, so he decides to settle for being a professor. Finally, Evolutions showed what a number you did on Leon's confidence. You catch the kind of legendary he's dreamed of while he failed to do so. Then she's a nervous wreck in the locker room before your match with him since he realizes at that point you'll very likely take his title and undefeated streak from him too. His confidence at the start of the match is all for show at that point, meaning when the hides his face with his cap after losing that he's legitimately crushed but puts on a brave face for the crowd and not to look weak in front of you.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 21:14:44 No.49086729 Report

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>>49083571
>but has anyone considered that we, the player character, are the mean rival?
Yes. It's been well established that in Gens 6 and 8, we're the dickbag rival.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 21:28:23 No.49086849 Report

Quoted By: >>49092106

>>49083571
>we, the player character, are the mean rival
No, we are not. The player is also friendly as fuck and that’s been a thing since always.

I think Hop is cool (top 3 rival for me), but the weird urge for GF to turn everything not named MC into punchbag while also refusing to give us some control over the rest of our character/story is gettin boring. It’s just the typical story about the chosen one over and over again until it becomes meaningless

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 21:32:27 No.49086878 Report

Quoted By: >>49087489 >>49088357

>>49083579
Leon was a overhyped cuck too, but at least Hop caught a legendary

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 22:57:51 No.49087434 Report

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>>49083612
Welcome to the typical gen z mindset where you can’t hurt anyones feefees for any reason whatsoever

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Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 23:05:03 No.49087489 Report

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>>49086878
What a chad

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Dec 2021 23:06:11 No.49087499 Report

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>>49087434
The attitude of a mean rival
You're going to say something even meaner in response to this, proving my point

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 01:10:26 No.49088357 Report

Quoted By: >>49088397 >>49088435 >>49088536 >>49088678 >>49090201

>>49086878
>caught legendary
>loses to you
>gives up being a trainer
Hops should hop off a cliff

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 01:14:36 No.49088388 Report

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>>49083571
This is nothing new, we've been the dickbag rival since gen 3.
>literally bully Brendan/May into early retirement and then beat up a cripple
>Barry outright acts like a protagonist, running everywhere and skipping through text
>N is Team Plasma's hero of ideals, picks you as his rival to represent truth
>Gens 6-8 rivals are just bullied nonstop

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 01:15:21 No.49088397 Report

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>>49088357
It makes more sense if you played Sword. You have Eternatus and Zacien while Hop is stuck with Zamazenta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 01:20:22 No.49088435 Report

Quoted By: >>49088523

>>49088357
>gives up being a trainer
hop didn’t give up on training pokemon though, he told to the player that they still will be rivals and keeps joining in every galar tournament and legue rematches, pretty sure hop is gonna be something similar to kukui in the future

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Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 01:31:42 No.49088523 Report

Quoted By: >>49088583 >>49088598

>>49088435
Hop better be as hot as Kukui

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 01:33:02 No.49088536 Report

Quoted By: >>49090306

>>49088357
>Still the strongest rival

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 01:38:45 No.49088583 Report

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>>49088523
it seems likely, hop is supposed to be an energetic boy from his core, i wouldn’t be surprised if he turns out to be as fit as leon and kukui despite whatever profession he chose

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 01:40:21 No.49088598 Report

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>>49088523
it seems likely, hop is supposed to be an energetic boy from his core, i wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be as fit as leon and kukui regardless of whatever profession he chose

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 01:43:36 No.49088627 Report

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Hop isn't a very compelling case, but that might be because SS's plot is rushed as shit to begin with. I've been claiming that's the case with USUM Hau, but only because of an abundance of evidence that was added to that specific version. Base SM Hau just drops out of the plot, USUM Hau is a step behind you the entire game (more similar to how Red was behind Blue for the entire game) and also has a climactic final rival battle to decide who will be the champion. Hop is arguably a stronger case than SM Hau, but is absolutely a weaker case than USUM Hau, and also steals Bianca's character development without any of the actual legwork they did to make Bianca a fucking character. Do I sound bitter? Because I am, but that might be because I'm sick of particularly shitty rivals for almost a decade now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 01:45:14 No.49088636 Report

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>>49083571
Its not mean, the MC is also in the same challenge.
Hop is the retarded one for not understanding he got into a competition where only one can achieve what he wants and gave up at the first chance even after meeting people spending years to achieve the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 01:46:14 No.49088648 Report

Quoted By: >>49088729

>>49084711
Bede is the only one that actually has some semblance of a personality and actually goes through some sort of storyline.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 01:51:25 No.49088678 Report

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>>49088357
if only we'd gotten that Oak fight in G1 maybe people wouldn't see a pokemon professor as such a shameful thing to be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 02:00:54 No.49088729 Report

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>>49088648
>the heckin mean rival who is mean just for the sake of being mean bc he is fatherless just like me fr fr sooo fuking cool hurr durr !!
literal NPC poketuber mindset, Bede is just as boring as Marnie and Hop

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 02:39:14 No.49089001 Report

Quoted By: >>49090217

I just think SwSh's case with Leon and Hop is hilarious. Leon endorses the player to get a bit of a challenge for once, but I never got the impression that he thought he could ever conceivably lose to the player. If you take Evolutions as canon, then Leon thought he was king of the world until Eternatus kicked his teeth in and the player was the hero instead of him. You have to wonder if Leon ever regretted giving the player that endorsement.'

And Hop thought he was the chosen one just because he was Leon's little brother. But then he loses to the player repeatedly and then losing to Bede finally started to put cracks into his self delusions of greatness.

Between things like this, Rose, and the twins in post-game, I'm starting to think the main theme of SwSh was people getting ego checks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 02:47:21 No.49089042 Report

Quoted By: >>49089106 >>49095174

I thought the rival in silver/gold was cool so I emulated his behavior. When my pkmn would miss I would continue using the same move till it hit, as punishment. If they got poisoned or paralyzed they would tough it out until the opponent was dead, they had to prove they're worth to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 02:56:13 No.49089106 Report

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>>49089042
You walk a VERY thin line between based and cringe, I applaud you sir

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Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 05:43:47 No.49090182 Report

Quoted By: >>49090186 >>49090603 >>49092372 >>49097235

>>49083571
I beat the shit out of Hop and never felt sorry about it. I will never hold back on faggots like Hop. I got this team and I'll kick Hop's ass for showing up to Wyndon. I don't mind losing to Marnie or Bede sometimes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 05:44:18 No.49090186 Report

Quoted By: >>49090225

>>49090182
fucking simp

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 05:47:52 No.49090201 Report

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>>49088357
Sword and shield would have been better if Hop died. No bringing him back to life or replacing him with a alternate universe counterpart either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 05:48:08 No.49090203 Report

Quoted By:

>>49084711
>Bede
>male

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 05:50:39 No.49090217 Report

Quoted By: >>49093311

>>49089001
>Leon endorses the player to get a bit of a challenge for once, but I never got the impression that he thought he could ever conceivably lose to the player
So essentially Leon got Alained?

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Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 05:51:50 No.49090225 Report

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>>49090186
Proud of it. Death to Allister, Avery and Hop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 06:05:49 No.49090306 Report

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>>49088536
What dumbass kid lost to Hops? I've admit myself that lost against Leon my first battle with him, but Hops is a cake walk. Even the homo-coded twink rival constantly beat his ass in the wild area.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 06:08:50 No.49090328 Report

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>>49083571
You team up with him to win the star cup after and he even uses his box legendary (based)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 06:22:28 No.49090408 Report

Quoted By: >>49090611

>>49083571
Hop is trash. I'll make sure he has zero wins in my shield version Galarian star tournament.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 06:52:51 No.49090603 Report

Quoted By: >>49090611

>>49090182
>schizo samefagging
seek help

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 06:53:53 No.49090611 Report

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>>49090603
see >>49090408

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 06:59:36 No.49090638 Report

Quoted By: >>49091929 >>49095960 >>49097245

>it's ok when Gary gives up being a trainer after being a jobber but not Hop
Fucking hypocrite liars

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 07:16:43 No.49090721 Report

Quoted By: >>49090794

>>49083571
Is that Charizard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 07:29:13 No.49090794 Report

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>>49090721
No it's Wooloo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 12:25:49 No.49091929 Report

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>>49090638
I hate the designs of Trevor, Tierno, Hau, Trace and Hop so I will never buy action figures of those characters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 12:46:19 No.49092038 Report

Quoted By: >>49092064

>>49083571
I'm sure in gen 9 there will be more bad rivals like Hop and that crazy coomer schizo will want them stabbed with a kitchen knife too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 12:54:55 No.49092064 Report

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>>49092038
Plot twist: that schizo ranting about bad rivals is your next rival for the future games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 13:03:30 No.49092106 Report

Quoted By: >>49094377

>>49086849
Holy shit
Who the fuck actually likes Hop?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 14:10:10 No.49092372 Report

Quoted By:

>>49090182
>So many 4x weaknesses on one team

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 15:25:32 No.49092744 Report

Quoted By:

>>49086689
The weak should fear the strong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 16:17:48 No.49093072 Report

Quoted By: >>49093191 >>49095180

>good rivals
Blue/Green, Silver, Wally, Hugh and Bede.
>rivals that could've been better
Cheren, Calem/Serena and Gladion.
>shit rivals
Barry, Hau, Hop, Marnie and Trace.
>characters that I refuse to acknowledge as rivals
May/Brendan, Bianca, Shauna, Tierno and Trevor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 16:39:08 No.49093191 Report

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>>49093072
May/Brendan almost seems like a subversion of the rivals in the series up to that point. In gen 1 and 2 you meet your rival in your hometown and they carry all the way to blue being the champion and meeting silver in the post game where he's undergone a character arc of learning to treat his pokemon with kindness. In gen 3 you assume since you meet May immediately and she's your first trainer battle that she'll be the same, but she disappears for most of the game and only shows up after you've beat the game as a comedy bit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 16:56:08 No.49093311 Report

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>>49090217
More like Tobais'd

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 19:54:28 No.49094377 Report

Quoted By: >>49095377 >>49095903

>>49092106
Hop is one of the most popular galar characters, it doesn’t matter how much faggots hate him

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 21:37:53 No.49095174 Report

Quoted By:

>>49089042
nothing wrong with a little tough love

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 21:39:03 No.49095180 Report

Quoted By:

>>49093072
>good rivals
>>Hugh
You are the cancer that is killing Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 22:02:50 No.49095377 Report

Quoted By: >>49095451

>>49094377
Recency bias, I swear Hau was one of the most popular Alola characters when SM just came out.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 22:10:32 No.49095451 Report

Quoted By: >>49095903 >>49096062

>>49095377
Actually no, a kahuna who isn’t present during 90% of the game beating him, and that’s hilarious considering he was the main rival for sm

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 23:07:10 No.49095903 Report

Quoted By: >>49096044

>>49094377
>>49095451
Japan has shit taste, who would've fucking thought

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 23:15:18 No.49095960 Report

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>>49090638
I don't really like that Ash and Gary have all of two battles honestly. The rivalry is one of the best things in the gen 1 games the anime completely botches it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 23:28:36 No.49096044 Report

Quoted By: >>49096062

>>49095903
>shit taste
>Piers, Lana, Gladion, and Guzma being in decent spots
Nah, I think Japan is based

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 23:31:31 No.49096062 Report

Quoted By:

>>49095451
>>49096044
>Top spots are all cute, young characters
Nah, I think Japan is pedos

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Dec 2021 23:47:53 No.49096159 Report

Quoted By: >>49096258

I don't want nice rivals like those fags tirno and the others from the chespun gen, but I don't want retarded cope rivals like bede, he deserved to get groomed btw. "Haha I let you win to test you bro" No fag, YOU are a trashcan, I smoked your mons one after the other, one shotted them all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Dec 2021 00:01:04 No.49096258 Report

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>>49096159
now one shot his bussy, bet you can't

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Dec 2021 00:16:52 No.49096344 Report

Quoted By: >>49096476 >>49096483

Why won't they make a rival that starts out friendly then becomes bitter and heated over the course of the game due to constant losses, instead of just eating dick and keeping a smile on at all times?
Hau had the whole bit about him always remaining in someone's shadow but they do absolutely fuck all with that. It's another reason why I hate these story Pokemon focused games because they introduce concepts with potential to them and do absolutely nothing to capitalize on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Dec 2021 00:45:16 No.49096476 Report

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>>49096344
Same "too big to fail" problem that the rest of the franchise has. Can't go taking chances now that they're a burfillion dollar corporation. I'd be willing to bet rough drafts for the main story have been submitted where the friendly rival straight up becomes an admin/leader of the bad guy team only to get shitcanned by market research saying everybody needs to be happy happy fun time friends or else the kiddies won't buy the games. PLA has a small amount of potential to actually break away from this 25 year old formula of:
>i am le yung boi
>i go on adventure
>i kick the shit out of my rival constantly and they end up as my cheerleader
>oh no team _________ is doing thing even though their reasoning is retarded
>oh cool they were all pushovers
>LEGENDARY POKOMON?!?!?!?!
>elite four time
>I won

But then again people thought S/M was going to break the formula because "look guys no gyms" and then SWSH was going to break the formula because "look guys wild area is totally not a really wide route, also no elite four just a piss easy tournament against people and types that you've already beaten easily" so my hopes aren't high.

TL;DR: Market research and TPC/GF execs have no balls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Dec 2021 00:46:28 No.49096483 Report

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>>49096344
> Hau
I think you mean Hop, and I agree. The friendly and jerk rival being merged into one character could’ve been the perfect solution for this mess. Too bad they missed the chance with him, and I can’t see it working on a new character unless they create the same Hop’s plotline for the next rival, which would be lazy (not impossible unfortunately, it’s well known how lazy and retarded game freak is)

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Anonymous Sat 25 Dec 2021 02:58:52 No.49097107 Report

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>>49083571
I gonna stab Hop with a kitchen knife. I'll put his blood on hamburgers and feed them to wild pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Dec 2021 03:03:27 No.49097135 Report

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>>49083579
>Played the game as Gloria and imagined LEon cucking me away from his beta little brother

best pokemon game i played in years

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Dec 2021 03:22:26 No.49097235 Report

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>>49090182
Only using new mons with garbage design. ngmi

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Dec 2021 03:24:35 No.49097245 Report

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>>49090638
Blame the anime, in the games Green settles with being a gym leader, still a jobber, but at least he's still battling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Dec 2021 10:39:32 No.49098893 Report

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>>49083571
he should have used CHARIZARD

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