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Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 20:51:06 No.49126037 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>49126198 >>49126212 >>49126237 >>49126653 >>49126745 >>49126874 >>49127120 >>49129297 >>49129859 >>49129964 >>49130098 >>49136021

Remember when the writers literally had to nerf Ash so he'd lose in Kanto?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 21:18:23 No.49126198 Report

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>>49126037
Remember when the writers had to introduce a gen 3 Pokemon into the Johto League just so Ash would lose after beating Gary?
Remember when the writers made a character who had a full team but only needed Latios and Darkrai to beat Ash out of the Sinnoh League?
Please don't remember that one.
Remember when Ash was originally going to win the Kalos League, only for higherups to demand that Ash lose because they were scared of what would happen to the series' longevity if he won?
Remember when Ash EASILY won the Alola League, most likely as a failed attempt at appeasing those who were very, barely, slightly upset at Ash's loss in Kalos?
Why do people like the anime again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 21:20:32 No.49126208 Report

Quoted By: >>49129691

>>49126198
Hoenn was the most fair loss.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 21:21:52 No.49126212 Report

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>>49126037
i stopped watching when it was obvious they were just doing filler episodes until gold silver was released. i was 10 years old and already on to it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 21:23:35 No.49126220 Report

Quoted By: >>49126256 >>49126631

>>49126198
>had to introduce a gen 3 Pokemon into the Johto League
Qrd?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 21:24:10 No.49126225 Report

Quoted By: >>49126256

>>49126198
I like anime because of the action scenes, does the pokemon anime have any good action scenes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 21:25:42 No.49126237 Report

Quoted By: >>49126248 >>49126432

>>49126037
It's because Ash made the mistake of betting on Charzard who completely gave zero shits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 21:26:56 No.49126248 Report

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>>49126237
Based Zard

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Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 21:27:30 No.49126250 Report

Quoted By: >>49133093 >>49135801

>>49126198
The chaddest trainer of them all, none has surpassed him in the anime yet

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 21:29:06 No.49126255 Report

Quoted By: >>49127196

>>49126198
I remember, the anime is shit but I love slice of life with pokemon episodes. No fanfiction comes close to seeing shit animated, even if badly, on screen.
Too bad they stopped giving a shit about slice of life and they just want to put battles all over that rival dragon ball, or kids might change the channel, or autismos might point hoiw "it's stupid, i rather see pikachu getting kicked" again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 21:29:06 No.49126256 Report

Quoted By: >>49127262 >>49129900

>>49126220
A guy with a Blaziken won the Johto League, I think it even beat Ash's Charizard despite the type weakness.
>>49126225
I guess? The fights that come to mind are Ash vs Gary at the Johto League, Ash vs Trip at the Sinnoh League and Ash vs Alain at the Kalos League.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 21:36:05 No.49126292 Report

Quoted By: >>49126542

>>49126198
All of those losses are fair. It's not like he lost due to complete bullshit. Having to fight a Hoenn pokemon in Johto isn't that crazy. People complain about Tobias but at least Ash managed to take down a legendary, nearly 2.

The Ritchie loss is easily the most BS.
>Zero prep time
>Didn't even have a full team on him
>Pikachu and Squirtle weakened by fighting Team Rocket
>Pidgeotto too tired to fight due to flying Ash
>Has to rely on faggot Charizard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 21:39:12 No.49126310 Report

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>>49126198
i've never seen the anime besides 2-3 bw episodes as a kid which i found boring kiddy stuff so no i don't remember any of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 21:48:36 No.49126386 Report

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>>49126248
>based for making him lose
discord, please go

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Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 21:51:07 No.49126410 Report

Quoted By: >>49126417 >>49128773

>>49126198
>Remember when Ash EASILY won the Alola League, most likely as a failed attempt at appeasing those who were very, barely, slightly upset at Ash's loss in Kalos?
I think you've spent too much time in /padt/. They just had him win because they were retooling the show next season.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 21:52:19 No.49126417 Report

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>>49126410
That and there was no reason for him to lose since there is no follow up to becoming champion in the games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 21:54:42 No.49126432 Report

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>>49126237
He didn't really have an option. It was basically a hail marry. Unironically if Ritchie's Pikachu would've attacked Zard, it would've fought back

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Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 21:58:14 No.49126460 Report

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>>49126198
>Please don't remember that one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:00:46 No.49126477 Report

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>>49126198
>Remember when the writers had to introduce a gen 3 Pokemon into the Johto League just so Ash would lose after beating Gary?

It's a form of shilling, the magic of that is long gone, but back then stuff like that would make you go what the fuck new pokémon game when I must have it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:08:47 No.49126542 Report

Quoted By: >>49126600

>>49126292
And yet Ash was humble enough to accept defeat and grow as a person

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Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:12:03 No.49126581 Report

Quoted By: >>49129849

>>49126198
Reminder that Ash won the Orange Legue

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:13:22 No.49126600 Report

Quoted By: >>49126622

>>49126542
Yeah, his first lost at least facilitated some character growth. Every loss after that was just some sort of cucking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:15:42 No.49126622 Report

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>>49126600
So, he's the Allen Iverson of the Pokemon League? Naturally gifted, but everything just seems to get in his way and fuck him over?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:16:27 No.49126631 Report

Quoted By: >>49127262

>>49126220
Harrison used Kecleon and Blaziken (which has plot armor then)

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Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:18:43 No.49126653 Report

Quoted By: >>49126765 >>49129659 >>49130184

>>49126037
Why do people want Ash to win? He's a retard who doesn't deserve it. He's terrible as a trainer, even at his peak he was still a dipshit who just autistically smashed his skull against every problem. He's like Goku without power levels: no technique, just tard strength, which doesn't help when your pokemon do the fighting for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:28:38 No.49126745 Report

Quoted By: >>49126765

>>49126037
Imagine thinking Kanto Ash was a remotely talented trainer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:31:08 No.49126765 Report

Quoted By: >>49126771 >>49126784

>>49126745
>>49126653
He was robbed of at least top 8 in Kanto, that's undeniable

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:32:01 No.49126771 Report

Quoted By: >>49126803 >>49126816

>>49126765
He may have entered his final match with one hand tied behind his back, but he chose to use his free arm to slap himself in the face instead of trying to fight.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:32:58 No.49126778 Report

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>>49126198
>Remember when the writers made a character who had a full team but only needed Latios and Darkrai to beat Ash out of the Sinnoh League?
I'm still mad
Ash DESERVED that league

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:33:17 No.49126784 Report

Quoted By: >>49126803 >>49126821

>>49126765
Having a charizard doesn't automatically qualify someone for top 8 if that someone is a retard who isn't respected by said charizard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:35:10 No.49126803 Report

Quoted By: >>49126808 >>49126817

>>49126771
Bad analogy.
>>49126784
He didn't have a choice, it wasn't his fault.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:36:25 No.49126808 Report

Quoted By: >>49126850

>>49126803
>My opponent's only ever used Butterfree, Pikachu and Charmander, so I should start with something that can handle any of those
>I know, I'll use Squirtle!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:36:45 No.49126816 Report

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>>49126771
What the fuck else was he going to do in the situation he was in? give himself a good time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:36:54 No.49126817 Report

Quoted By: >>49126850

>>49126803
>He didn't have a choice
Because he's a bad and inexperienced trainer. It's his fault for not having more pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:37:16 No.49126821 Report

Quoted By: >>49126844 >>49126848

>>49126784
Richie sucked even worse. He literally lost in the next battle. Why are you so stupid? the anime sucks, doesn't matter how or why Ash lost. They did it on purpose, because the series is all about becoming a master, and if he won top places he would be a master and everybody would "lose interest" according to them. You really are a faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:38:18 No.49126830 Report

Quoted By: >>49126861 >>49127061

I think we're forgetting a key detail about Ash in S1. He's fucking 10 years old. How many 10 year olds did you know that could do anything but ride bikes and walk around a shopping mall?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:39:56 No.49126839 Report

Quoted By: >>49129254

>>49126198
Wait, what the fuck? Ash actually won a league?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:40:23 No.49126844 Report

Quoted By: >>49126858

>>49126821
At some point it stops being character growth and it starts being his character. Ash is Tony Romo

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:41:21 No.49126848 Report

Quoted By: >>49126858

>>49126821
>Richie sucked even worse. He literally lost in the next battle.
I don't care how much the other retards relying on tard strength got lucky. Ash is also a retard relying on tard strength and luck.
>Why are you so stupid?
Rude
>the anime sucks, doesn't matter how or why Ash lost.
When did I say the anime was good? Hell, Ash losing every league is one of the few quality points of the anime. Ash doesn't deserve to win them at all, and the writing does a good job portraying why.
>everybody would "lose interest"
There is nothing stopping them from doing what every other shounen did and raising the power level. Oh, Ash won the Kanto League? Well now there's the indigo league, taking the best from Kanto and Johto. etc
>You really are a faggot.
You're just upset that even you know Ash never deserved to win. He's a brute shounen protag in a world where the protags don't do the fighting

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:41:24 No.49126850 Report

Quoted By: >>49126870 >>49126884 >>49126888

>>49126808
His only options were either Pikachu, Squirtle, Bulbasaur, Pidgeotto and Zard

Pidgeotto was too exhausted to fight because it had to fly Ash to the stadium

Pikachu and Squirtle weren't at full HP because they had to fight Rocket

Bulbasaur was in the same boat as Pikachu and Squirtle and had a disadvantage against Butterfree and Charmander

His only option was Zard

>>49126817
Fuck you it literally wasn't his fault. No prep time and couldn't get stronger mons like Kingler, Muk or Tauros from Oak

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:42:49 No.49126858 Report

Quoted By: >>49126877 >>49126888

>>49126844
No, because we saw how he won the orange league and nothing happened nor it was the end of the fucking world.
>>49126848
you are hopeless
It's a toy commercial, you don't break the status quo
Dragon ball is doing that and see how absurd it is by now

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Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:43:35 No.49126861 Report

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>>49126830
>How many 10 year olds did you know that could do anything but ride bikes and walk around a shopping mall?
ENTER

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:44:37 No.49126870 Report

Quoted By: >>49126889 >>49126903

>>49126850
If he only had five Pokémon on him at the time, he's even more retarded. What, after the end of his last match did he go and send Muk back to Oak without withdrawing a replacement?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:44:47 No.49126874 Report

Quoted By: >>49127009

>>49126037
Remember when the director of Pokemon Generations literally said it was the Jews at J P Morgan that finance the anime that forced the writers to make Ash lose at Kalos? that got memoryholed fucking fast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:45:06 No.49126877 Report

Quoted By: >>49126891

>>49126858
>He won the orange league and it wasn't the end of the world
Which implies that you can throw the damn kid a bone once in a while. Let him get out fucking skilled more often, instead of just throwing a never ending series of that kid whose dad works at pokemon at him so he can "look good in losing" like a damn Lex Luger

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:45:43 No.49126884 Report

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>>49126850
>His only options were either Pikachu, Squirtle, Bulbasaur, Pidgeotto and Zard
i don't watch the anime but is there a reason he couldn't have evolved all his mons? well ig gf wouldn't let shillachu evolve but why not the others?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:46:12 No.49126888 Report

Quoted By: >>49126911 >>49126938 >>49133703

>>49126850
>it literally wasn't his fault
How was it not his fault? Gary had a dozen or so pokemon by the time Ash caught his first crabby, and Gary had much better ones.
If anyone got robbed, it was Gary. Someone who was actually somewhat competent despite also being inexperienced.
>>49126858
>you don't break the status quo
You don't need to break the status quo. Goku won his tournaments, but did Dragon Ball ever die? No. It's still one of the most popular shounens in the world. Naurto stopped Orochimaru, but did the series die? No.
The only shounen stuck in limboland is One Piece, and Rubberman objectively beats every 'tournament' he's in and then proceeds to the next island 'tournament'. Did One Piece ever die? No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:46:13 No.49126889 Report

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>>49126870
Ash was a little bit preoccupied with stopping domestic terrorists from stealing his shit

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Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:46:32 No.49126891 Report

Quoted By: >>49126914

>>49126877
Fuck you,k all my excitement was for nothing
If you think kalos made people mad, everybody in my school was let down about him losing
Ironically, most people lost interest because we already knew they would do this over and over, and never make it interesting
Almost nobody gave a shit about gsc ever again, nor the rest of the series.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:47:26 No.49126903 Report

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>>49126870
He was caught off guard by team rocket.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:48:00 No.49126911 Report

Quoted By: >>49126934 >>49126936

>>49126888
then why Ash has to lose every tourney if he can't keep winning and then they still reset anyway? you only like to see him lose because you never cared
We had a dream back then, and they pulverized it in the name of the mighty dollar.
That's when I fucking matured.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:48:09 No.49126914 Report

Quoted By: >>49126920

>>49126891
Please stop arguing with me. We literally agree that Ash should win more. Nobody writes a show with a destination 25 years in. You can balance winning and losing far better than winning fucking once and constantly getting cheat coded out of other dubs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:49:05 No.49126920 Report

Quoted By: >>49126923

>>49126914
Well I was arguing with other guy about him losing, and you jumped it or changed the subject

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:49:31 No.49126923 Report

Quoted By: >>49126929

>>49126920
No, I compared him to Tony Romo, who is a known loser and choke artist

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:50:20 No.49126929 Report

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>>49126923
And I didn't knew who the hell is that guy

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:50:52 No.49126934 Report

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>>49126911
He was literally locked in to losing Leagues by his own wish in the very first episode, hence why it took the whole multiverse thing to allow him to win one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:51:04 No.49126936 Report

Quoted By: >>49126953

>>49126911
>has to lose every tourney
Ash has won Tourneys. And pokemon didn't die as a result.
>b-but those tourneys didn't count!
They did, because the only tournies Ash is competent enough to win are small-time tournies hosted by casual islanders. That's the best Ash can do.
Why do you think Ash should win every major tournament? You keep giving reasons that are 'unfairly' preventing him, but you haven't explained why he qualifies for it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:51:23 No.49126938 Report

Quoted By: >>49126962

>>49126888
Ash has always been a better trainer than Gary. He would've btfo him in Kanto too

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:53:38 No.49126953 Report

Quoted By: >>49127214

>>49126936
Well, there's this thing called character progression and growth, something that's a staple of most episodic shows. Especially ones with all long term story arcs.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:54:41 No.49126962 Report

Quoted By: >>49126997 >>49127001 >>49129915 >>49134027

>>49126938
>Ash has always been a better trainer than Gary
I'm going to assume you're just trolling now. Gary has always performed better than Ash. He forced Giovanni into using a mewtwo and even beat Ash's pikachu ace with a fucking eevee

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:56:38 No.49126983 Report

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Gotta admit, it's funny that Ash won the Orange League, where the best trainers are skilled in shooting cans and mowing grass

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:58:11 No.49126997 Report

Quoted By: >>49127075

>>49126962
>Ranked lower than Ash in Kanto
>Knocked out by Ash in Johto
lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:59:24 No.49127001 Report

Quoted By: >>49127075

>>49126962
he ranked lower than ash in indigo league and lost all will after johto. If you are good you don't just quit.
Also Gary stopped mocking Ash after sinnoh when he finds him. It's over, garyfags.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 22:59:41 No.49127004 Report

Quoted By: >>49134027

Wasn't the entire moral of the Ash/Gary rivalry that Gary's skills didn't match up against Ash's Intangibles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:00:45 No.49127009 Report

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>>49126874
There's screenshots of said director naming the Jew but it's largely buried. It's nuts how the Jews are so petty as to make Ash lose so the kids feel bad. Truly the spawn of Satan.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:03:37 No.49127025 Report

Quoted By: >>49127064 >>49129670 >>49133172

>The lesson taught by a Kid's show should be to accept your station in life and never attempt to improve it because you'll constantly fail
Pokemon was a mistake

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:08:48 No.49127061 Report

Quoted By: >>49127066

>>49126830
>in S1
So is Ash not 10 yo anymore or what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:09:08 No.49127064 Report

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>>49127025
Ash's story is more of a "if you want to be good at something, you have to put in effort."

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:10:09 No.49127066 Report

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>>49127061
It's extremely likely he's still a young kid. The Simpsons are 34 seasons in, and Bart has been 10 years old for 31 of those seasons

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Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:11:34 No.49127075 Report

Quoted By: >>49127099 >>49127137 >>49128438 >>49129816

>>49126997
>>49127001
To turn your own autistic argument against you: Because TPC and 4kids collectively realized the audience hated Gary. He was simply better than Ash, and wasn't evil enough to fault his character as a coping mechanism like with Paul. They had to remove him from the equation, so they wrote him out.
Gary, unlike Ash, had all the qualities of a good trainer. He had a good and varied team, plenty of trained pokemon in reserve, talent as a trainer, and even travelled solo when he wasn't with a cheerleader squad unlike Ash who always needed two babysitters.
pic related
>btfos your ace with a baby barrier

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:15:55 No.49127099 Report

Quoted By: >>49127119

>>49127075
Gary is the Barry Bonds of Pokemon. Every single quality you want, but a largely crummy personality that can get in the way from achieving his goals

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:18:39 No.49127119 Report

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>>49127099
>crummy personality
That was mostly towards Ashy boy.
Ash objectively had a much more crummy personality until the hoenn arc, and even then he was a stubborn prick to people who contradicted him. Gary's egotistical personality had mellowed out long before that ever happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:18:39 No.49127120 Report

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>>49126037
Not really sure why ne needed to be nerfed when he got half of his badges out of a technicality or helping out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:20:45 No.49127137 Report

Quoted By: >>49127168 >>49127371

>>49127075
>hated gary
because that's what the rival should be for. thanks for admitting they are even more retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:21:48 No.49127148 Report

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Every kid knows a Gary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:25:33 No.49127168 Report

Quoted By: >>49127176

>>49127137
>thanks for admitting
Admitting what? When did I ever say something that goes against the fact Ash didn't deserve to win any tournament?
You're losing track of what's being said for which reason. Gary is a better trainer than Ash. Ash didn't get robbed from "top 8", because he never deserved it. If anyone of the pallet starters did, it would have been Gary. But, like you claim of Ash, Gary was 'robbed'.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:26:17 No.49127176 Report

Quoted By: >>49127218

>>49127168
>deserve
stop using this word

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:30:20 No.49127196 Report

Quoted By: >>49127230

>>49126255
This is much better than seeing a literal who treat his pokemon as pets

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:32:59 No.49127214 Report

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>>49126953
ash barely learns anything after he loses a battle where the fuck is this character progression your talking about ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:34:08 No.49127218 Report

Quoted By: >>49127221

>>49127176
What's wrong Ashy boy? Still think you 'deserve' to win the kanto tournament because you helped catch those rocket thugs?

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Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:34:39 No.49127221 Report

Quoted By: >>49127226

>>49127218
>deserve
stop using this word

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Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:35:52 No.49127226 Report

Quoted By: >>49127229

>>49127221
Bet you think you deserved a better Krabby too. Trainerlets, when will they learn!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:36:31 No.49127229 Report

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>>49127226
>deserve
stop using this word

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:36:42 No.49127230 Report

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>>49127196
they put the wedding dress on garde
we won, even if normies cope and seethe

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:41:22 No.49127256 Report

Quoted By: >>49127358

Ash constantly frees his pokemon for their own sakes rather than keeping them just to have stronger pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:41:59 No.49127262 Report

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>>49126631
>>49126256
and Charizard beats Blastoise, nothing wrong

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Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:47:22 No.49127298 Report

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Gary would've caught all of those unique pokemon that Ash looked at and didn't bother

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:55:00 No.49127358 Report

Quoted By: >>49127382

>>49127256
Because he's as terrible a trainer as he is a person. Pokemon are better off without him, the majority of the time. Charizard only got as powerful as it did by ignoring Ash's horrible leadership

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:56:35 No.49127371 Report

Quoted By: >>49127410

>>49127137
Paul is a better rival than Gary

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Dec 2021 23:57:32 No.49127382 Report

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>>49127358
Ash was also in some seriously unique standards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 00:01:01 No.49127410 Report

Quoted By: >>49128065

>>49127371
sit down sinnoh fetus

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 01:28:47 No.49128017 Report

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>>49126198
I remember the youtube video hosted on the official Pokemon channel of the Kalos league being downvoted so much they eventually deleted it. That was probably why they stopped uploading there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 01:32:26 No.49128037 Report

Quoted By: >>49128212

>>49126198
>Why do people like the anime again?
There's something weird going on, either because of a developmental disorder or trauma. It's the same as people who are really really into sonic. Have you ever met a normal person who watched the pokemon anime into their adulthood? No? Exactly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 01:38:28 No.49128065 Report

Quoted By:

>>49127410
He's right though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 01:38:39 No.49128066 Report

Quoted By: >>49134027

I wish Ash actually made progress towards becoming a Pokemon Master instead of just resetting every new region he goes to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 02:07:05 No.49128212 Report

Quoted By:

>>49128037
sonic was actually pretty good in the 90s though. the ashnime was never good outside of the played for laughs team who get old after 20 somethin years of fuckups.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 02:50:36 No.49128438 Report

Quoted By: >>49129218 >>49129236

>>49127075
The worst thing he ever really did was catch a bunch of pidgys and keep the strongest one before releasing the rest.
This made Ash really butt hurt for whatever reason, despite himself being the kind of guy who will catch pokemon and never use them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 03:37:00 No.49128706 Report

Quoted By: >>49128746 >>49128823 >>49129723

Anybody else really fucking hated Ash as a kid? I wanted to beat the shit out of him because he was so lame, like if the annoying sidekick character got his own show.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 03:44:35 No.49128746 Report

Quoted By:

>>49128706
Yeah, I hated him for never catching pokemon, never evolving his good mons, releasing his mons for next to no reason, (except Butterfree, he deserved a GF) and not telling Misty to fuck off when she was being a cunt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 03:47:01 No.49128763 Report

Quoted By: >>49128858 >>49129946 >>49129980 >>49134027

>>49126198
A lot of people think that Ash winning the Alola league doesnt really count, considering anyone could enter so no one had to actually compete for it, it was the first league in a region that is more about vacation and fun and not pokemon trainers and competitions, Ash was the only trainer there who had competed in leagues before (other than Kukui) and was an actual trainer wheres the others just had 1 partner pokemon, the reason TR made it so far is cause like Ash, they have experience.
The Alola league was a damn joke and Ash winning it amounted to nothing cause he even forgot he won it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 03:48:40 No.49128773 Report

Quoted By: >>49133727

>>49126410

But also, the league wasnt serious and more for fun, he won cause he was the only serious trainer in the whole region lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 03:57:40 No.49128823 Report

Quoted By: >>49129230 >>49129693 >>49129723

>>49128706
The only people who liked Ash were self-insertfags and/or genuine retards. Anyone with a functional brain found him annoying, Brock carried the Kanto arc so hard that people unanimously complained when the only balance against Ash's retardation was gone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 04:00:44 No.49128858 Report

Quoted By: >>49129230

>>49128763
Ash also won that by a fluke as well. The fight was called off when his pokemon was about to get eliminated, but got called back on when Ash pulled the
>he was just sleeping haha
card, putting the battle back at a neutral start.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 04:55:22 No.49129218 Report

Quoted By:

>>49128438
Paul also abandoned Chimchar after abusing it giving the poor thing issues that ash had to deal with.
Paul is a better rival because he’s not just better than ash, but because his ideas on how to train Pokémon are opposite to Ash’s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 04:57:00 No.49129230 Report

Quoted By:

>>49128823
>>49128858
Cope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 04:57:46 No.49129236 Report

Quoted By: >>49129245

>>49128438
Didn't Ash catch a gorillion Tauros

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 04:58:58 No.49129245 Report

Quoted By:

>>49129236
That doesn't count. Ash DESERVED those Tauros! He's the protagonist so he should have them all!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 04:59:54 No.49129254 Report

Quoted By: >>49129673

>>49126839
Orange Islands and Alola, so far and as much as I can remember.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 05:03:05 No.49129279 Report

Quoted By: >>49129288

Can we talk about the fact that Misty was able to control and command a wild Golduck for absolutely no reason Kennedy than the Golduck was a pervert

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 05:03:56 No.49129288 Report

Quoted By:

>>49129279
>Kennedy
How that was autocorrected from "other" I'll never know

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 05:05:14 No.49129297 Report

Quoted By:

>>49126037
Now he's going to beat Cynthia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 05:56:42 No.49129650 Report

Quoted By: >>49133840

>>49126198
Don't forget in due time, he's going to face Leon and cement himself as either THE strongest trainer in the ENTIRE ANIME WORLD or THE SECOND strongest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 05:58:13 No.49129659 Report

Quoted By:

>>49126653
This

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 06:00:50 No.49129670 Report

Quoted By:

>>49127025
>accept your station in life and never attempt to improve it
Sounds pretty Japanese to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 06:01:21 No.49129673 Report

Quoted By:

>>49129254
And Ash basically forgot he even did in Journeys as "he forgot to mention it to Goh", and Goh only found out when some Ash fanboys wanted pictures.
Not even Ash finds beating the ALOLa league a big deal. What a backwater region.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 06:06:36 No.49129691 Report

Quoted By:

>>49126208
>Le special snowflake meowth and boots with "OMG HE USES THE SAME MOVES AS PIKACHU :O"
Harrison was the most fair

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 06:07:14 No.49129693 Report

Quoted By:

>>49128823
Brock and Tracy were my guys

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 06:12:06 No.49129723 Report

Quoted By:

>>49128706
>>49128823
Fucking This

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 06:32:11 No.49129816 Report

Quoted By: >>49129868

>>49127075
Gary should have battled Ash more than just twice. They should have had a fight after Ash completed his first team of six (Pikachu/Bulbasaur/Squirtle/Charmander/Pidgeotto/Butterfree) and Ash should have gotten destroyed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 06:40:38 No.49129849 Report

Quoted By: >>49129858

>>49126581
>ash won a filler league
wow

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 06:42:25 No.49129858 Report

Quoted By: >>49129950

>>49129849
Shit meme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 06:42:38 No.49129859 Report

Quoted By:

>>49126037
Ash was an amateur that didn't properly earn his badges. He deserved that loss.
>>49126198
Charizard had no flying type moves. He deserved that loss too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 06:44:23 No.49129866 Report

Quoted By: >>49129889 >>49129912

Ash’s tauros was a god tier mon that he only used like once

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 06:44:34 No.49129868 Report

Quoted By: >>49133793

>>49129816
I think this is why so many people get upset over the tournament losses. There aren't enough instances of Ash simply being outclassed as a trainer, he's either up against some thugs/wild pokemon where neither party plays by any rules, or he's up against a gym leader that's wearing the kiddy gloves.

The similarity between this and the episode where kanto-Ash got demolished by that dude with the sandshrew are amazing.
>Ash lost to some sandshrew? He had two gym badges, and beat ten kids who came at him with their family's pet rattata and growlithe! Ash was robbed! He deserved the win!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 06:48:40 No.49129889 Report

Quoted By:

>>49129866
If it's not a shillmon, don't expect him to use a mon to it's highest potential, sadly.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 06:51:28 No.49129900 Report

Quoted By: >>49129932 >>49134027

>>49126256
>A guy with a Blaziken won the Johto League
Wrong. Jon Dickson from Sento Cherry Town, a literal who generic NPC who has less character development than the average CoTD, was the Johto League Champion. Not Harrison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 06:52:59 No.49129912 Report

Quoted By:

>>49129866
I think he would've used Tauros vs Ritchie if he had the chance to prep. He used Kingler and Muk in the preliminary round and Tauros was the only one left besides his usual team of Pikachu/Pidgeotto/Kanto Starters

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 06:53:41 No.49129915 Report

Quoted By: >>49129994

>>49126962
>>49126962
Across both Johto and Kanto, Gary barely showed up and was only shown winning battles on-screen twice: the Eevee vs Pikachu battle and one of the side battles from the Silver conference. He was a jobber minor character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 06:57:29 No.49129932 Report

Quoted By: >>49130261 >>49134027

>>49129900
Ash would have probably jobbed to him too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 07:02:03 No.49129946 Report

Quoted By:

>>49128763
Alola league matters more, the Kalos league only has like three characters in it, with only one of them having an on screen win, in Alola they are at least named, which makes them more valuable than whatever no name from Kanto-Kalos you can dig up

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 07:03:11 No.49129950 Report

Quoted By: >>49129967

>>49129858
it wasn't even a league competition. it was a proto-battle frontier where he fought bosses

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 07:06:53 No.49129964 Report

Quoted By:

>>49126037
Given the circumstances, I find it hard to believe that the Pokemon League wouldn't delay the match until at least the next day. I'm trying to picture a comparable scenario, and all I can think of is if a UFC fighter got kidnapped by terrorists, fought his way out, and made it to the arena just before his walk-out covered in bruises and scars. Any sports league worth its salt would not allow a match to proceed under those circumstances.

That said, I don't think they really "had" to nerf Ash for him to believably lose. To be honest, it's more like he got a massive buff all of a sudden when he went to the Indigo League. Ash was a complete fuck-up in Kanto, to the point where it's really jarring in retrospect that he did so well in the preliminaries against Trainers who presumably beat eight Gyms legitimately.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 07:07:25 No.49129967 Report

Quoted By:

>>49129950
>d-doesn't count!
I bet you think his Battle Frontier wins don't count either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 07:10:31 No.49129980 Report

Quoted By:

>>49128763
That’s a bs excuse. Ilima was also a Kalos league competitor in the anime/ had a mega, but he didn’t even make it past round 1 of the actual matches against “easy trainers.”

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 07:13:17 No.49129994 Report

Quoted By:

>>49129915
What's your point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 07:38:27 No.49130098 Report

Quoted By:

>>49126037
Yep, well deserved Ash is fucking garbage

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 08:10:41 No.49130184 Report

Quoted By: >>49130707 >>49131724

>>49126653
Goku is a trained martial artist
Ash is like if Goku ran out into the world without even knowing the basics of exercise

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 08:32:54 No.49130261 Report

Quoted By:

>>49129932
KWAB

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 11:26:57 No.49130707 Report

Quoted By: >>49131724

>>49130184
>Ash is so dumb even Goku is smarter than him
>there are people who think a protagonist like this should win tournaments where the best of the best compete

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 15:35:59 No.49131673 Report

Quoted By: >>49137065

We shit on Ash a lot, but I doubt many of us would try to use moves on the terrain to get an advantage or use contest moves in an offensive form.
Ash is smart, he's just very inconsistent, one day he'll practically create a brand new move and the next he'll throw a Rowlet at a Decidueye, more often than not winning anyway.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 15:46:44 No.49131724 Report

Quoted By: >>49133738

>>49130184
>>49130707
Ash is Goku pre Roshi. Poor kid never had the proper tutors and teachers to unleash he greatness. Instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 19:41:22 No.49133093 Report

Quoted By:

>>49126250
I kneel

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 19:54:43 No.49133172 Report

Quoted By:

>>49127025
No, the moral is that you WILL fail, so you'll be forced to decide whether or not to continue. Even Gary threw in the towel after his second major loss. Ash kept trying and kept failing. But he learned from his journies and became (something resembling a) respectable Pokemon trainer just through trying. By the time he finally won, he understood that trophies don't make you a great Pokemon trainer. Experience does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 21:28:05 No.49133703 Report

Quoted By: >>49137286

>>49126888
The comparisons you made are actually terrible, and you even got details wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 21:31:27 No.49133727 Report

Quoted By:

>>49128773
Kukui was just as serious and was E4-tier. He had lost to Lance, but Lance is Champion-tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 21:32:49 No.49133738 Report

Quoted By: >>49133797 >>49135992

>>49131724
you'd think traveling with literal Gym Leaders would lead to some kind of tutoring

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 21:41:24 No.49133793 Report

Quoted By: >>49134027

>>49129868
>he's up against a gym leader that's wearing the kiddy gloves.

At least the new season is fixing this. Ash is challenging gym leaders all around the world, and they're bringing their absolute best considering everyone is trying for a shot at battling the Champions. So far Ash is definitely shown as E4-tier. The tournament is only for Battle Autists and no actual E4 members have been shown, but there only 35 people ranked higher than him. 3 of those beings Champions, and Raihan who's Champion-tier but is gay for Leon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 21:42:42 No.49133797 Report

Quoted By:

>>49133738
He's just that brain dead

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 21:49:08 No.49133840 Report

Quoted By:

>>49129650
This. Its up in the air whether he beats Leon or not, but he is definitely beating Raihan, Cynthia and Lance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 22:16:29 No.49134027 Report

Quoted By: >>49134109

>>49126962
Gary = High draft pick who turned out to be a bust and fans still try to defend his failures.

Ash= Low draft pick who overachieved and doesn't get respect from fans because he's not flashy or cool.
>>49127004
Maybe.

Gary was hyped to be a prodigy, but didn't put in effort.

Ash wasn't a prodigy and had worse Pokemon(early on). However he kept improving his craft while Gary quit.
>>49128066
Ignoring Unova, Ash improved with every season.
>>49128763
People who say the Alola League doesn't count are coping/ moving goal posts.
>>49129900
>>49129932
They did mention in the anime that Ash cost Blaziken dude the title since his Pokemon weren't fully healed after their match.
>>49133793
Ash was low Elite 4 tier for a while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Dec 2021 22:27:13 No.49134109 Report

Quoted By: >>49134934

>>49134027
>since his Pokemon weren't fully healed after their match
That's show up at a bunch of times. I think Nurse Joy might be retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 00:19:03 No.49134934 Report

Quoted By:

>>49134109
Which Nurse Joy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 00:22:12 No.49134966 Report

Quoted By: >>49135053

>>49126198
>kalosperm is still crying about the alola league
you love to see it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 00:33:23 No.49135053 Report

Quoted By: >>49135078

>>49134966
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB4A_UBcB3k

The butthurt was beautiful
t.doragoncraw

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Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 00:38:04 No.49135078 Report

Quoted By: >>49135739

>>49135053
Never Forget

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 00:44:09 No.49135117 Report

Quoted By: >>49135139 >>49135393

>Look up Ash's recent battles
>Won his last one because Lucario learned Steel Beam for no raisin and took no recoil damage because shut up

Why the anime be like this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 00:47:44 No.49135139 Report

Quoted By: >>49135648

>>49135117
He's a Gary Stu now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 01:22:16 No.49135393 Report

Quoted By:

>>49135117
Because they're responding to the uproar over how Alola "didn't count" because it's a literal backwater league, so now they're overcompensating by getting Ash en route to become either #1 worldwide or #2 worldwide.

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Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 01:58:40 No.49135648 Report

Quoted By: >>49135677

>>49135139
>now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 02:01:53 No.49135677 Report

Quoted By:

>>49135648
True

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 02:08:56 No.49135739 Report

Quoted By: >>49135788

>>49135078
God that was so fantastic. You could taste the butthurt even years after it happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 02:13:47 No.49135788 Report

Quoted By: >>49135820 >>49135877

>>49135739
t. retard that claims ash losing every league is fantastic too for the ebic replies

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 02:16:18 No.49135801 Report

Quoted By:

>>49126250
>we never got the planned BW arc that would have him in team rocket

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 02:17:11 No.49135815 Report

Quoted By: >>49135885 >>49136201

If Ash ever becomes a master his journey would be over which means the anime would be over. They need him to be weak to continue the story. That's why he keeps releasing powerful pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 02:17:54 No.49135820 Report

Quoted By: >>49135997

>>49135788
see? Still mad lmao.

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Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 02:24:53 No.49135877 Report

Quoted By:

>>49135788
Never Ever Forget

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 02:26:22 No.49135885 Report

Quoted By:

>>49135815
Still doesn't explain why his battle knowledge is inconsistent as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 02:43:22 No.49135992 Report

Quoted By:

>>49133738
Misty was too busy trying to suck his dick and Brock was trying to get his sucked

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 02:43:59 No.49135997 Report

Quoted By: >>49136028

>>49135820
>mum grab the camera
And btw, I don't watch the anime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 02:46:58 No.49136021 Report

Quoted By:

>>49126037
they nerfed ash in the johto league (in the anime) because they didn't want kids to see footage of ash's charizard almost killing a pokemon (this happens in the manga). Either way he still got disqualified

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 02:47:54 No.49136028 Report

Quoted By: >>49136070

>>49135997
Tobias was the best to happen to pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 02:53:01 No.49136070 Report

Quoted By:

>>49136028
for stupid manchildren like you that bait and shitpost, that is. I never saw the episode, nor do I give a fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 03:11:28 No.49136201 Report

Quoted By: >>49136244

>>49135815
I've heard somewhere that what a Pokemon Master is will always be intentionally unknown just so Ash doesn't become one purely to make sure that the series can always continue, as if the thought of the main character being anyone but Ash is so fucking revolting that they'd rather end the entire anime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 03:18:12 No.49136244 Report

Quoted By:

>>49136201
You heard absolutely right, they can't end the franchise. He will never be a master because then the journey ends.
Even if pokemon crashed somehow, we would never get a proper ending.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 05:19:42 No.49137065 Report

Quoted By:

>>49131673
>I doubt many of us would try to use moves on the terrain to get an advantage or use contest moves in an offensive form.
Weather and hazards are a dominating meta in Pokemon. As for unorthodox moves, going off-script when it comes to pokemon moves would probably be the first thing most anons would do if in the world of pokemon. Assuming they didn't look up pokephilia laws first

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Dec 2021 05:56:37 No.49137286 Report

Quoted By:

>>49133703
>comparisons you made are actually terrible
They were all arc conclusions where the protagonists won, which didn't result in the death of the series. They could not be any better as examples, cope
>even got details wrong
Which ones retard? Goku won multiple tournaments. Naruto and all the other shounen protags ended up beating their big bads. None of these series ended up dying as a result.

Ash doesn't deserve to win big tournaments because he's simply not good enough to win them. The only way he can win is if it's in the boonies like Alola or if the writers give up and lower themselves to your standards

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