Seriously I don't think HGSS are bad games, they are some of the best Pokemon games, but how the fuck can people defend the pokemon selection and more importantly the fucking awful movesets

The learnsets of certain pokemon are piss poor and this is only elevated by the fact the main game ends around level 40

TMs are so shittily given out that almost every stone evolution in the game is damn near nonviable for example look at picrel, want to use it with a special grass move? Well you gotta wait until it is level 43 as an exeggcute for it to learn solarbeam, your only other alternative is wood hammer at 37 as an exeggcutor, all other stone evolutions for the most part have this issue

Tell me, why the fuck are solarbeam, energy ball, and giga drain ALL post game TMs it makes no sense, add on top of this pokemon like tangela, tyrogue, and others being locked until after the radio tower / getting waterfall and it just makes for a bad experience unless you seriously consider johto to be only "half the game bro" while kanto is legitimately just a victory lap filled with 8 more boss battles before Red