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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 03:27:19 No.49393111 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>49393147 >>49393623 >>49393650 >>49393674 >>49393798 >>49393822 >>49393826 >>49393849 >>49393949 >>49393952 >>49393994 >>49394109 >>49394143 >>49394670

>improve movement and graphics
>make ever gen 1 to 4 pokemon available
>adds loads of additional features from later games
Why do people hate bdsp again?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 03:30:24 No.49393147 Report

Quoted By: >>49393608 >>49393945 >>49394765

>>49393111
because pokemon diamond/pearl were shit games to begin with. Should have used Platinum content

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 03:35:45 No.49393223 Report

Quoted By: >>49393660 >>49393672 >>49393937

>three months in and it's still unfinished
>little to no Plat content even though Legends references Plat only content
>missing features from base DP itself like more than two people in the Union Room
>ruined Secret Bases
>missing mythical events
>following feature got butchered so bad it's not even worth using
>balance is all over the place
>$60 when the originals were $40
>genuinely the ugliest Nintendo first party game since the DS Zeldas
It's a disgrace. I really hope it ends up being the worst selling remake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:07:14 No.49393608 Report

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>>49393147
This. Any game with “Diamond” or “Pearl” in the name still means it’s trash to be skipped which is such a shame because they were the easiest set of games to improve on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:09:15 No.49393623 Report

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>>49393111
All 3D games are automatically shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:11:08 No.49393650 Report

Quoted By: >>49393677

>>49393111
Movement is awful, moving with the analog in tight spaces is slow as shit since the slightest bump with a wall reduces your speed and sometimes you get stuck in corners, and using the D-pad has this weird delay at the start that I'm pretty sure wasn't present in any of the 2D games.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:13:02 No.49393660 Report

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>>49393223
$80 in Canada :^(
also
>forced Amie/Friendship boosts that make your mon crit all the time, have a free focus sash, and spams you with extra dialogue every turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:13:23 No.49393662 Report

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Judging by youtubers and vpers,
>muh overworld chibi sprite
that's literally all I'm hearing but expansion forced into essays and 30 minute youtube videos

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:14:59 No.49393672 Report

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>>49393223
>Cartridge only contains half of the game files
>Not because of time constrains, but because they didn't wanted to invest in large-capacity cartridges
>The box doesn't even has the "Internet Download Required" sticker
Any further proof that these games are cynical cashgrabs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:15:03 No.49393674 Report

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>>49393111
It's a $60 game that looks worse than DP and is still only on par with Platinum gameplay-wise which was $40 and came out 15 years ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:15:30 No.49393677 Report

Quoted By: >>49393942

>>49393650
So this ruins a game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:16:59 No.49393691 Report

Quoted By: >>49393766

I love when people think the "it was $40 and now it's $60" argument is valid to someone that buys a full priced game once every two years.
Stop buying kratom and save your money NEETs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:25:21 No.49393766 Report

Quoted By: >>49393777

>>49393691
>there is nothing wrong with paying more for less, get a job incels
Fuck off shill

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:26:21 No.49393777 Report

Quoted By: >>49393789

>>49393766
bdsp has objectively more content

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:27:04 No.49393789 Report

Quoted By: >>49393795 >>49393971

>>49393777
It has less content than Platinum
I don't care if it's a DP remake, Platinum is the standard you should be holding this against

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:27:35 No.49393795 Report

Quoted By: >>49393829

>>49393789
ORAS also didn't have Emerald content

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:27:42 No.49393798 Report

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>>49393111
I don't hate it, I just think it doesn't add/change enough to justify its existence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:29:45 No.49393822 Report

Quoted By: >>49393980

>>49393111
>make ever gen 1 to 4 pokemon available
It's not like that wasn't a feature in the originals

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:29:58 No.49393826 Report

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>>49393111
??? they would have to play the game to know that
this board is not for video games

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:30:23 No.49393829 Report

Quoted By: >>49393883

>>49393795
ORAS had Gen 6 graphics, added megas and new forms, had Pokemon past Gen 3 in it and had the Delta Episode

To some that's not enough to make up for the lack of Emerald content but they certainly tried with that game, BDSP is just a lazy, rushed cashgrab

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:31:46 No.49393849 Report

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>>49393111
>>adds loads of additional features from later games
what do they add besides fairies and the """wild area"""

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:34:39 No.49393883 Report

Quoted By: >>49393910

>>49393829
>lazy, rushed cashgrab
it has effort put into it with stuff like the new affection system, new contests, completely different artstyle and the underground
you'll dismiss all of this because you didn't like it and call me a shill

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:37:08 No.49393898 Report

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The hatred stems from the endless cycle of wanting more. Even to an unreasonable degree.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:37:53 No.49393910 Report

Quoted By: >>49393920 >>49393998

>>49393883
>the new affection system
Not only is it not new but it ruins the game balance with no way to avoid it
>new contests
I'll give you that
>completely different artstyle
It's not completely different, it's the same but in 3D except it's ugly and undercooked unlike Link's Awakening
>underground
I'll give you that too

So you're left with reworked contests and underground. Taking everything else that got taken away or was butchered by ILCA into account, is the whole package worth the $20 mark up?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:39:02 No.49393920 Report

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>>49393910
You can't ruin what doesn't exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:40:19 No.49393937 Report

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>>49393223
>three months in and it's still unfinished
fair since they promised them
>little to no Plat content even though Legends references Plat only content
legends came after
>ruined Secret Bases
*changed secret bases
>missing mythical events
they just didn't happen yet
>following feature got butchered so bad it's not even worth using
personal opinion
>balance is all over the place
it only has a difficulty spike in the ending not really all over the place
>$60 when the originals were $40
the originals were in the DS
>genuinely the ugliest Nintendo first party game since the DS Zeldas
personal opinion
>forced Amie/Friendship boosts that make your mon crit all the time, have a free focus sash, and spams you with extra dialogue every turn
mechanic that actually shows how the relationship with your pokemon affects the battles and is still heavily rng based so it isn't broken

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:40:43 No.49393942 Report

Quoted By: >>49393955

>>49393677
I'm just arguing against the
>improve movement and graphics
from OP, but while it doesn't break the game, having to fight against the controls because you keep bumping into rocks and trees in certain routes and having to switch to grid movement to interact with berries and some NPCs just cause otherwise your character may interact with something else or nothing at all, isn't something I should worry about and makes the game feel bad, even more when no other pokemon game had those problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:41:15 No.49393945 Report

Quoted By: >>49394705

>>49393147
It did use Platinum content.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:41:30 No.49393949 Report

Quoted By: >>49393993

>>49393111
I don't hear anyone talk about this game anymore, honestly forgot it exists

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:41:45 No.49393952 Report

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>>49393111
No reason to play this over Renegade Platinum

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:41:54 No.49393955 Report

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>>49393942
i literally never felt these problems in 100 hours of game time but maybe this is due to being my first pokemon game not emulated

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:43:45 No.49393971 Report

Quoted By: >>49394008 >>49394213

>>49393789
Did platinum have every pokemon up to gen4 in the game?
Did platinum have fairy type and hidden abilities?
Did platinum have following pokemon?
Did platinum have streamlined HMs that don't take up a moveslot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:44:46 No.49393980 Report

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>>49393822
You had to trade to get them, so they weren't actually in the game. BDSP has every mon except version exclusives.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:46:06 No.49393993 Report

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>>49393949
There are multiple threads everyday on veepee newfriend

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:46:21 No.49393994 Report

Quoted By: >>49394052

>>49393111
>do the absolute bare minimum
>add worthless additions while removing content
>garbage art style
>Inferior to platinum
>why do people hate this?
I think it speaks volumes that the strongest endgame boss is literally platinum's shadow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:46:26 No.49393998 Report

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>>49393910
>>new contests
>I'll give you that
I agree that the Underground is objectively better (though they should've just included the Platinum exclusive Pokemon on the Sinnoh routes instead), but why are you conceding here? The contests are legitimately a downgrade from the Sinnoh supercontests in DPPt. Even ORAS didn't butcher contests to the same extent that BDSP did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:47:08 No.49394008 Report

Quoted By: >>49394079

>>49393971
>Did platinum have every pokemon up to gen4 in the game?
You okay bro?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:53:01 No.49394052 Report

Quoted By: >>49394299

>>49393994
all your points are extremely subjective

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:55:51 No.49394079 Report

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>>49394008
Platinum doesn't have the Gen 1, 2, 3 starters or legendaries (except the Regis if you have the event Movie Regigigas). It also doesn't the Murkrow, Misdreavus, Stunky or Glameow lines and the Clamperl or Trapich lines. Maybe a few others, but not much. Out of all the games in the first four gens, Platinum is the most generous when it comes to obtainable Pokemon. It's just that catching all the Pokemon you can in Platinum is extremely difficult because a large number are locked behind daily events like swarms, gimmicks like Pokeradar, etc. I think the people here are arguing that between BD and SP you can get all 493 Pokemon. What they don't mention is that you still need to trade between the two version to get the version exclusives and trading has always been a part of Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 04:59:50 No.49394109 Report

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>>49393111
>improve movement and graphics
Fair on the movement, but it doesn't really do much in action considering it's still the same world design. Graphics at best are still a toss-up with Platinum.

>make ever gen 1 to 4 pokemon available
Yeah, they are all there, but it's not like you couldn't just transfer them in Gen IV.

>adds loads of additional features from later games
Other than the mechanical changes like more moves and the Fairy-type, what? Limited customization, following Pokémon, more free movement, and ???.

Other than what I mentioned and the new take on the Underground, what even does this game have over Platinum? Not much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 05:01:53 No.49394130 Report

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I just don't like diamond and pearl

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 05:02:43 No.49394143 Report

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>>49393111
>add diagonal movement to a game designed on a grid
>npcs still move in straight lines
>improvement

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 05:10:09 No.49394213 Report

Quoted By: >>49394294

>>49393971
>Did platinum have every pokemon up to gen4 in the game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 05:18:18 No.49394294 Report

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>>49394213
Sure you could transfer them in, but that's having to buy other games to just get additional pokemon. That makes it no better than swsh and its dlc. Bdsp actually has every pokemon from gen 1 through 4 able to be caught in the game between the two.
If you all don't think that is a major improvement, then you're contrarian dipshits

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 05:18:46 No.49394299 Report

Quoted By: >>49394419

>>49394052
>removing content
Not subjective. it even removed basic QoL. They unsolved problems. It wouldn't be any less faithful to DP adding platinum content than adding Ramses park, grand underground, following, pokemon amie mechanics without an amie thus it's on forever, group exp, etc. But you can do following by shrinking models, grand underground is just simple rooms, adding amie mechanics is easy if you just attach it to a mechanic. Platinum's extra content would've required effort which leads into
>bare minimum
Not subjective. They took DP, made a barely functional copy in unity using assets given to them by GF and rushing out any assets they had to make on their own. (this engine is for hobbyists and students, the only good thing to come of this engine is that it can be infinitely modded), added simple environments with simple events, then called it a day.

These are facts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 05:32:04 No.49394419 Report

Quoted By: >>49394606

>>49394299
you know what would be the bare minimum? just literally releasing Diamond/Pearl in the Switch with no changes whatsover, they removed and added QoL and the additions they made are all things you dismiss because you dislike them
>(this engine is for hobbyists and students, the only good thing to come of this engine is that it can be infinitely modded)
are you a game dev;? have you ever actually used Unity in any professional or even amateur capacity? you can make the argument that it's used way more often in indie games but it's still a good tool to make games

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 05:52:51 No.49394606 Report

Quoted By: >>49394622 >>49394669

>>49394419
>just literally releasing Diamond/Pearl in the Switch with no changes whatsover
When your argument against the developers doing the bare minimum in a remake is "At least it's not just a port" your remake is literally doing the bare minimum. Honestly if they just ported platinum with Ramses park and the grand underground it would be better than BDSP.

>things you dismiss because you dislike them
Projecting. Solving a different problem doesn't change the problem they reintroduced for no logical reason.

>have you ever actually used Unity
Yep, we used it in my game design class (elective) in college.

>it's used way more often in indie games
Because it's for hobbyists and students. the majority of indie developers don't have the skill/wherewithal for complex development, so they use unity. A professional studio backed by big money shouldn't be making a buggy mess using the game design equivalent of training wheels. but y'know: bare minimum.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 05:54:55 No.49394622 Report

Quoted By: >>49394858

>>49394606
>my opinions are objective because I believe that they are
I remember being a college student. You'll grow out of it someday, champ.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 05:58:31 No.49394669 Report

Quoted By: >>49394858

>>49394606
>Bare minimum is... WHATEVER I SAID IT IS OK?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 05:58:36 No.49394670 Report

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>>49393111
No idea. I like the games a lot. They're miles better than Swsh and Lgpe, and Ive enjoyed them more than SMUSUM and XY too and their nonstop cutscenes, annoying battle gimmicks, and bad designs.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 06:02:46 No.49394705 Report

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>>49393945
where, niggerboy?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 06:09:01 No.49394765 Report

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>>49393147
zoomer get out of here the adults are talking

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 06:19:55 No.49394858 Report

Quoted By: >>49394917

>>49394669
Who are you quoting? Are you under the impression that making up argument, pretending I said it, then dismissing it is the same as actually engaging my argument? Cause doing that means you're admitting you're wrong and can't prove otherwise.

>>49394622
>my opinions are objective because I believe that they are
Who are you quoting? (See above)

>I remember being a college student. You'll grow out of it someday, champ.
Unity being training wheels and BDSP failing and being a glitchy mess using those training wheels is a fact and isn't tied to my age.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlvq0oP2GtU
The climax is broken. the central mechanic, just doesn't work. Do you know how easy it is to catch this during development? just above the bare minimum. Is reality going to be patched so they did put enough effort into it that it doesn't fall apart by using the menu?

Unless you're saying I have to grow old enough to be senile and forget basic Com/Sci, then I guess you're right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 06:27:01 No.49394917 Report

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>>49394858
>Are you under the impression that making up argument, pretending I said it, then dismissing it is the same as actually engaging my argument
i'm just tired of using any amount of brainpower and have more interesting things to do than try to change your mind, you are already dead set on shitting on this game as hard as you can so continuing to engage is just a loss of time for both of us
>posts fixed glitches
ok buddy

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