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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:12:18 No.49401552 View View Reply Original Report

Why can’t Pokémon be well designed and cool first glance? Why do I have to have them “grow on me” in order to like their designs? What went wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:15:41 No.49401606 Report

Quoted By: >>49401628 >>49401714 >>49402298

>>49401552
lack of balance between designs that will appeal to both new fans and older fans
Instead all new designs appeal to newer audiences and to please older fans they just shill the same old pokemon a million times and shove alternate forms of them down your throat, which are for some reason also usually designed in the same style as numons

The real way to fix this would be a healthy mix of new mons designed like they currently are and new mons designed like they were in gen 1/2

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:16:58 No.49401615 Report

Quoted By: >>49401801

>>49401552
we need to see official designs, they might look better

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:18:06 No.49401628 Report

Quoted By: >>49401643 >>49401696 >>49403131

>>49401606
>new mons designed like they were in gen 1/2
Everyone hated Coalossal and Mr. Rime though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:18:25 No.49401632 Report

Quoted By: >>49402224 >>49402262 >>49402619 >>49402934

because something that's only cool at first glance is immediately forgotten like most digimon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:18:39 No.49401637 Report

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>>49401552
I like more than half of these.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:18:46 No.49401640 Report

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>>49401552
That's literally only from most Pokemon being leaked in unfavorable poses. Official announcements or seeing them actually move naturally in game doesnt have this issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:19:03 No.49401643 Report

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>>49401628
Coalossal's execution was horrid and Mr. Rime looks more like gen 4 to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:19:38 No.49401648 Report

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>>49401552
These for once look like actual Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:20:17 No.49401658 Report

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>>49401552
why are you posting a bunch of fakemons?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:22:34 No.49401682 Report

Quoted By: >>49401687 >>49401698 >>49401701

>>49401552
Out of the leaked forms and evolutions, only Overqwil looks good. Genuinely the worst batch in the franchise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:22:57 No.49401687 Report

Quoted By: >>49401702 >>49402176

>>49401682
Gen 5 is right there

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:23:44 No.49401694 Report

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>>49401552
Some of these fuckers will never grow on me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:23:52 No.49401696 Report

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>>49401628
They are not designed like gen 1/2 at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:24:23 No.49401698 Report

Quoted By: >>49401710

>>49401682
>Q tail

god no it's the worst

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:24:29 No.49401701 Report

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>>49401682
Overqwil is one of the bad ones though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:24:30 No.49401702 Report

Quoted By: >>49401725

>>49401687
Gen 5 had more good designs on account of there being a fuckload of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:25:40 No.49401710 Report

Quoted By: >>49401727

>>49401698
anon it just looks like a pattern, it was probably intentional but it doesn't stand out as much as you think it does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:26:31 No.49401714 Report

Quoted By: >>49401744

>>49401606
>gen 1/2
i dont get grouping these two gens together, the designs are actually pretty different. gen 2 is way more cutesy and "soft" with most of its designs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:26:42 No.49401718 Report

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>>49401552
That's the design philosophy. Makes the have longetivity

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:27:33 No.49401725 Report

Quoted By: >>49401759

>>49401702
>Gen 5 had more good designs
You mean literally none of them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:28:00 No.49401727 Report

Quoted By: >>49401832

>>49401710
that does nothing to fix the horrid design

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:29:18 No.49401744 Report

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>>49401714
Weren’t some gen 2 mons meant for gen 1? And theres still plenty of leftover elements from gen 1, like toriyama eyes. I get what you mean though, definitely meant to lean more towards gen 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:31:35 No.49401759 Report

Quoted By: >>49401783

>>49401725
>Victini
>Bisharp
>Krookodile
>Darmanitan
>Sawsbuck
>Golurk
>and many others
Gen 5 had a ton of good designs. It also had a lot of bad designs. Perhaps its biggest issue design wise was the fact that the starters were all rather poor designs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:33:02 No.49401772 Report

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>>49401552
these are some of the worst new pokemon designs i have seen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:33:42 No.49401780 Report

Quoted By: >>49401954

>>49401552
Because Pokemon is a 3D game now, so a Pokemon's animations can tie heavily into its design. The best example of that is Trumbeak, where it looks like a normal toucan until you see it in motion and see the thermometer beak. With older designs, it was really hard to convey certain aspects of a Pokemon just from its design (look at the sheer number of people who still don't realize Purugly's tail acts like a corset to hold in its fat, so the entire "joke" behind the Pokemon is lost). Now they have more freedom to make designs like Hisuian Goodra or Lilligant where the way they move is a big part of their gimmick. You could see it really well in this game, in particular, where Voltorb and Zoroark got entire shorts so that people could see them "in action".

Also, those Pokedex renders just fucking suck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:34:11 No.49401783 Report

Quoted By: >>49401788 >>49401825

>>49401759
>Jirachi clone
>Megaman boss
>cartoon crocodile
>literally just a red circle with a face
>literally some deer behind my house
>Jew golem + Turnermon
>and many other worthless shitters
It's a miracle they had the strength to keep going after shitting the bed so hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:34:46 No.49401788 Report

Quoted By: >>49402227

>>49401783
Seethe more yawnfag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:34:55 No.49401791 Report

Quoted By: >>49401855

>>49401552
The reason way they do this is that nothing is cooler than CHARIZARD. Seriously, there was an interview were they said they intentionally design Pokemon with flaws so they end up less cool. The only exception being Charizard so due how pandering every single one of its special snowflake forms are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:36:09 No.49401801 Report

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>>49401615
>they might look better in pngs than in the actual game
what did he meant by this this isn't 1998

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:38:22 No.49401825 Report

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>>49401783
>Megaman boss
how is that a bad thing?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:38:40 No.49401829 Report

Quoted By: >>49402244

>Qwilfish evolution
Anyone have an in-game picture of it? I want to see how long the quills get.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:39:31 No.49401832 Report

Quoted By: >>49401953

>>49401727
Just like nothing can fix your horrid taste

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:40:11 No.49401843 Report

Quoted By: >>49401850

>>49401552
I liked Ursaluna as soon as I saw it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:40:58 No.49401850 Report

Quoted By: >>49402021

>>49401843
I would've liked it a lot more without the eyebrows/mud splotches on its face.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:41:29 No.49401855 Report

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>>49401791
Yet there are Pokemon that look cooler than Charizard? The only reason Charizard gets shilled so much is because of nostalgia not to mention it's claim to fame in the TCG in Wizards of the Coast days

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:50:40 No.49401953 Report

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>>49401832
nah my faves are Ursaluna and Wyrdeer

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:50:56 No.49401954 Report

Quoted By:

>>49401780
why cant we have both, pokemon that look cool still and in motion

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:56:56 No.49402021 Report

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>>49401850
Yeah, they don’t look great but I understand why they’re there. I can look past it. It’s still a top 10 design for me now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 19:59:46 No.49402050 Report

Quoted By: >>49402128

>>49401552
I like the Samurott. Poketips Mike is a stupid gay faggot for spreading lies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:07:50 No.49402128 Report

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>>49402050
Poketubers are trash. They claim that shitty deviantart drawings are gonna be real pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:12:47 No.49402176 Report

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>>49401687
>Volcarona >>>> Hisuianmons
They're if not terrible, just "okay". The only one I would put in the good category would be Basculin, because it fixed the issue of it lacking an evolution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:14:20 No.49402190 Report

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They look like they were really easy to model.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:17:28 No.49402224 Report

Quoted By: >>49402241 >>49402270

>>49401632
This

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:17:51 No.49402227 Report

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>>49401788
Go to bed ywnbaw

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:17:53 No.49402228 Report

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>>49401552
>typhlosion
>samurott
>electrode
>overqwil
>lilligant
>enamorus
>Dialga (Lord)
Still feels like this is just some fakes someone threw up on blender.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:19:00 No.49402241 Report

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>>49402224
He's got me there. I won't quickly forget how much I fucking hate these things

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:19:23 No.49402244 Report

Quoted By: >>49402447

>>49401829
Here anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:20:18 No.49402260 Report

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>>49401552
The only ones I dislike are sneasler and the lord forms.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:20:24 No.49402261 Report

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>>49401552
I think it has a lot to do with your expectations, you expect Pokemon to look good and when they look less cool than what you expect you get disappointed, but the design might still be acceptable.
It's even weirder with last gen Pokemon because they're born as 3d models and the way they move in-game matters aswell. Like sneaserel is utterly disgusting, yet works well as a mount ingame. those Palkia and Dialga are nicely characterized and look fine moving, but again if you just look at the static model then it's a bad design

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:20:43 No.49402262 Report

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>>49401632
What about gen 1 mons everyone jizzes over, theyre generally regarded as cool and what made the series iconic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:20:57 No.49402267 Report

Quoted By: >>49402274 >>49402321

>>49401552
The only likable one is Voltorb since it's an apricot, like the old pokeballs. Clever design and it looks cute/funny.
Most of the rest look like over designed garbage. Zoroark is cool I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:21:37 No.49402270 Report

Quoted By: >>49402536

>>49402224
This also somewhat confirms that Pokémon designs have become stranger because of Fakémon artists stealing all the fucking ideas and making Gamefreak unable to fucking use the concepts anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:22:30 No.49402274 Report

Quoted By: >>49402296

>>49402267
>Zoroark is cool
>but the rest are overdesigned
you what

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:22:45 No.49402277 Report

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>>49401552
i dont know but it worked
i fucking love all of these except the genie. fuck genies

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:24:06 No.49402296 Report

Quoted By: >>49402345

>>49402274
I am a furry at heart, it's hard to resist.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:24:08 No.49402298 Report

Quoted By: >>49403644

>>49401606
I fucking hate myself for making the original image transparent. Retarded Twitter posters couldn't handle it, and of course the version that goes viral is in the worst imaginable quality with black background. I swear I'll do better next time, anons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:24:15 No.49402301 Report

Quoted By: >>49402325 >>49402710

>>49401552
I honestly like a lot of the designs here. I actively dislike palkia and I don't really care for kleavor and enamorus but all the others I think look cool, but more importantly they look like pokemon. I can't really understand your objection to them without understanding what you think a pokemon should look like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:25:58 No.49402321 Report

Quoted By: >>49402345

>>49402267
And those coincidentally are the two that happened to get full trailers introducing them, so you can understand what type of Pokemon they're supposed to be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:26:20 No.49402325 Report

Quoted By: >>49402389

>>49402301
>but more importantly they look like pokemon
They're all based on pre-existing pokemon so, yeah no duh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:27:53 No.49402345 Report

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>>49402321
Yeah, furry bait. See >>49402296

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:27:57 No.49402346 Report

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Honestly kinda crazy that this small batch of Pokemon has more for me to like than SwSh did

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:32:13 No.49402389 Report

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>>49402325
Thats why I don't understand all of the hate, they all retain the same essence of the original mons they're based on but added something new. Theres a huge fixation with people that pokemon need to look cool and something being cool is different for everyone. I think Overqwil is a cool design based on its inspiration being sea urchins and submarine mines, thats a cool concept. Ultimately something as subjective as this will never be remedied through arguing about it, people simply have different tastes, but I do wonder what some of your favorite pokemon designs are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:38:19 No.49402447 Report

Quoted By: >>49402785

>>49402244
why aren't the in the water

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Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:44:23 No.49402522 Report

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>Disappointed with
Electrode
>Neutral towards
Sneasler
Basculin
Fairy Genie(human form)
Lord legends(interesting concept tho)
>Like
The rest

Sorry not seeing the issue OP. Better batch than most SwSh mons even

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:45:18 No.49402536 Report

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>>49402270
fanart and fakemon isn’t ““stealing”” its fans being passionate about the series they made and using it for inspiration. Not gamefreak’s problem if a official design ends up looking like a fakemon and who can sue? The artist can own the design but they can’t claim the idea of it being a pokemon nor claim all similar creature designs to it.

If gamefreak was truly based they could just work with the fans if they see an idea/concept they really like and make it official with whatever changes needed to make it feel more like gamefreak’s vision

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:50:55 No.49402619 Report

Quoted By: >>49403065

>>49401632
100% this

wackier looking pokemon are more memorable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 20:58:24 No.49402710 Report

Quoted By: >>49403853

>>49402301
I dislike Dialga way more. It's like they didn't even try to make a coherent Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 21:03:57 No.49402785 Report

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>>49402447
They’re already caught

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 21:16:16 No.49402934 Report

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>>49401632
then why did they start making pokemon look like digimon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 21:28:02 No.49403065 Report

Quoted By: >>49403129

>>49402619
Funny because the normies don't remember or care about the le wacky new pokemon. Last one who actually left an impression was Mimikyu

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 21:31:32 No.49403118 Report

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>>49401552
They look good to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 21:32:33 No.49403129 Report

Quoted By: >>49403142

>>49403065
>Funny because the normies don't remember or care about the le wacky new pokemon
Dracozolt and Dracovish are infinitely more memorable among normies than garbage generic shit like Aurorus or Rampardos or Carracosta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 21:32:43 No.49403131 Report

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>>49401628
Coalosal is great

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 21:33:59 No.49403142 Report

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>>49403129
This, this is why they make these crazy designs, they want to be as original as possible, it’s why we didn’t even get proper dinosaur fossils until gen 6

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 22:14:33 No.49403644 Report

Quoted By: >>49403668

>>49402298
What's the point of white Basculin?

Do Sneasel and Sneasler have gender differences?

Why have we not seen any other image ofHisuian Avalugg other than this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 22:17:09 No.49403668 Report

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>>49403644
IIRC only the White Basculins evolve into Basculegion

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 22:19:37 No.49403688 Report

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i really don't understand people that dislike Wyrdeer

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 22:23:40 No.49403730 Report

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Sugimori once said that they way he did the official designs for Pokemon was to take something cool and make it less cool. Look at the Red/Green or modern Nidoking art, one one hand he's a cool lizard kaiju thing, but he's also kind of got a dad bod, looks like a rabbit, and is a manlet (the Blue art, which I've been suspicious of being designed for a western market, doesn't quite make the more lame aspects as apparent). Or specifically Luxray, the one I think he was talking about, it looks kinda cool but is also has a really big head for it's body. Maybe they're going a little too far into wacky territory, but the philosophy is still the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 22:26:01 No.49403746 Report

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Basculegion was one where I instantly loved it, Kleavor too.
They just blew their load and showed the wrong shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jan 2022 22:35:19 No.49403853 Report

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>>49402710
I think dialga looks cool with the neck cannon thing, also it already had 4 legs so its an easier transition. Palkia is very jarring and incoherent. They could both have been way better but either way I don't care because I never use legendary pokemon in my playthroughs and if anything they need to stop making them.

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