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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:12:37 No.49416304 View View Reply Original Report

>GARDEVOIR IS BASED OFF A MAGE AND IS GENDER NEUTRAL
you lost

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:13:32 No.49416317 Report

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>>49416304
Gardevoir is my whiteknight based

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:32:51 No.49416557 Report

Quoted By: >>49416593 >>49416877

>>49416304
It was always supposed to be feminine, who are you arguing against? It was supposed to be like a feminine knight, with the gown and the helmet hair and the stuff about willingness to sacrifice itself. An elegant womanly creature which will also bravely defend you to its death.
Now the second part is de-emphasized / retconned, I guess because they figured out it’s more marketable as just another shallow waifu. It’s the tragedy of Gardevoir. Its fanbase and its parent company cucked it.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:35:24 No.49416593 Report

Quoted By: >>49416689 >>49419128

>>49416557
Oh look it's the coombrain fag who cites porn games

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:38:55 No.49416636 Report

Quoted By: >>49416651

Wait, so my male gardevoirs were just male this whole time instead of some dykes pretending to have a penis? AIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:40:31 No.49416651 Report

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>>49416636
Yeah loser should've spent more time on route 102

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:42:09 No.49416670 Report

Quoted By: >>49416690 >>49418224

>>49416304
gardevoir was always gender neutral, there are both male and female ones for a reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:42:50 No.49416677 Report

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It's a ghost and it fucks other amorphous ghosts

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:43:53 No.49416689 Report

Quoted By: >>49416691

>>49416593
Schizo. You shouldn’t be calling me “coombrain” when you hate the idea of Gardevoir being anything beyond just a waifu. Now its only remaining fans will be coomers like you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:44:02 No.49416690 Report

Quoted By: >>49416740 >>49418207

>>49416670
Every major Gardevoir except Wally's was female, and Wally's got retconned into a Gallade in the remakes.

And when Gallade was introduced, female Gardevoir were pretty much soft retconned.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:44:09 No.49416691 Report

Quoted By: >>49418454

>>49416689
Dilate

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:44:57 No.49416698 Report

Quoted By: >>49416709

trainer

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:45:58 No.49416709 Report

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>>49416698
cum+brain=trainer
lol

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:46:38 No.49416720 Report

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>>49416304
>dress is canon
skinfags btfo

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:48:00 No.49416730 Report

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>>49416317
Gallate is in the game too

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:48:12 No.49416732 Report

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>>49416304
Don't care, I'm still going to catch a female ralts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:48:40 No.49416735 Report

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>>49416720
How does she make the dress? Can she make you clothes? Why is there no gardevoir drip in the games?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:49:01 No.49416740 Report

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>>49416690
You mean male Gardevoir was soft retconned

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:49:47 No.49416745 Report

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>>49416735
magic clothes beam

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:49:50 No.49416747 Report

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>>49416720
The horns go over the green part, so how would it not be part of her body? She would need to put it on in two halves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:52:31 No.49416773 Report

Quoted By: >>49420384 >>49420835

>>49416304
They also used “master” because they knew that’s what gardefags would like. It’s the ONLY time that word is used in that context in this game’s entire pokedex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 19:56:23 No.49416823 Report

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>>49416304
This sounds like a mistranslation. Do you have the original Japanese text?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 20:00:45 No.49416877 Report

Quoted By: >>49416987

>>49416557
>An elegant womanly creature which will also bravely defend you to its death.
>Now the second part is de-emphasized / retconned
Did you somehow miss that two thirds of the pokedex entry is purely about it being dedicated to defending you, even at the risk of its life?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 20:03:04 No.49416909 Report

Quoted By: >>49416935

>>49416304
>dress
>ladies
"Mage". What are you talking about? It's clearly feminine, and as a male is a flaming fag.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 20:05:12 No.49416927 Report

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>>49416304
how can she defend me when she offends my virginity

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 20:05:53 No.49416935 Report

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>>49416909
Pretty sure the "you" in the post is referring to the greentext strawman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 20:09:30 No.49416960 Report

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>>49416304
How much their regret not making gardevoir female only?

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 20:12:27 No.49416987 Report

Quoted By: >>49417092

>>49416877
It’s not presented in the same way.
>If the trainer is facing danger…
>It is our duty to protect the trainer with our lives…
They’ve always cared deeply for their trainers, but there was also kind of a sense of honor to why they do it as well. It’s not presented like that anymore because they’re retconning that aspect of it exclusively into Gallade.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 20:18:02 No.49417028 Report

Quoted By: >>49417047

It was supposed to be a paladin

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 20:20:19 No.49417047 Report

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>>49417028
Like Gallade.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 20:24:39 No.49417092 Report

Quoted By: >>49417119 >>49422363

>>49416987
>but there was also kind of a sense of honor to why they do it as well
Not in the main series, there wasn't. It was always about the bond, trust, and dedication.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 20:27:01 No.49417119 Report

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>>49417092
>They’ve always cared deeply for their trainers
Even when I go out of my way to mention this, you still bring it up as if I didn’t…

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 20:39:20 No.49417257 Report

Quoted By: >>49417411

>>494171192
And I never argued against the caring, or even implied you did not say that.
I specifically argued against your honor point specifically because it is that specific part that is wrong within the actual main series.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 20:49:38 No.49417391 Report

Quoted By: >>49417822

Imagine how tight it would be with her shrinking around it. Just when you start to loosen and stretch her out she uses minimize and she tightly grips around it again.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 20:51:10 No.49417411 Report

Quoted By: >>49417774 >>49418443

>>49417257
The PMD writers extrapolated that part by simply looking at what Gardevoir was inspired by. I don’t care if it came from a mainline game or not, they did well with her characterization. People only dislike it because it strays from whatever personality they’ve invented in their heads when they jerk off to her.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 20:54:10 No.49417443 Report

Quoted By: >>49417466

>>49416304
I mean, Gardevoir's japanese name is Sirknight, so...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 20:55:41 No.49417466 Report

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>>49417443
They say it’s only a reference to a phrase princesses say to call knights to them, and they just ignore the helmet hair and defending their trainer with their lives as if those things mean nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 20:56:49 No.49417482 Report

Quoted By: >>49420835

>>49416304
>unite waifu hat
>xy mega
>new dex entry "protect its MASTER"
cope

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 21:15:23 No.49417740 Report

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>retards thinking the greentext is OP's opinion and not a strawman to be disproved by the OP pic
/vp/ truly is low iq

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 21:18:24 No.49417774 Report

Quoted By: >>49417882

>>49417411
I love the PMD take, but you can't really argue that "honor" used to be a main part of the deal when it was a spinoff thing. Gardevoir's dex has always been fairly consistent.
Though it should be noted that some of the japanese entries specifically bring up the trainer's good heart, which the english one doesn't.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 21:21:45 No.49417822 Report

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>>49417391
You're talking about her dress, right?

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 21:22:03 No.49417828 Report

Quoted By: >>49417861

Interesting thing, Dr. Footstep in Sinnoh was one of the first ways we actually got to see how the Mons think of their trainer, and some Mons got placed in certain categories.
I'll be posting the dialogue for Gallade and Gardevoir's Categories.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 21:23:50 No.49417844 Report

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 21:24:30 No.49417854 Report

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>master

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 21:25:53 No.49417861 Report

Quoted By: >>49417881 >>49417901

>>49417828
Gallade (Tough Category)
Level 1
>"Why does <player> use only other Pokémon? Am I not needed much? Would I have been better off if I remained in the wild? No, I should give this Trainer a little more of a chance..."
Level 2
>"Humans can't understand the cries of Pokémon, nor our feelings. However, there are some among us that understand human speech... Hehehe, <player>, you're not bad for a human."
Level 3
>"If a Pokémon were to travel alone, it would be limited as to where it could go. But traveling with a human, a Pokémon would be able to travel farther afield to more distant cities and lands. Traveling with <player> has been rewarding and reassuring. And very entertaining..."
Level 4
>"Some wild Pokémon frown upon others for traveling with humans. They jeer that the caught Pokémon have "forgotten the wild." But that view is mistaken. They have just never met a Trainer who could be a great partner. A great partner like <player>, in other words..."
Level 5
>"<player> is... A remarkable human and Trainer. That I can always perform the best any <Pokémon> possibly can... I attribute that entirely to my partner <player>. When we travel, I can see wild Pokémon eyeing us enviously..."

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 21:28:06 No.49417881 Report

Quoted By: >>49419188

>>49417861
>Level 4
>>"Some wild Pokémon frown upon others for traveling with humans. They jeer that the caught Pokémon have "forgotten the wild." But that view is mistaken. They have just never met a Trainer who could be a great partner. A great partner like <player>, in other words..."
>Level 5
>>"<player> is... A remarkable human and Trainer. That I can always perform the best any <Pokémon> possibly can... I attribute that entirely to my partner <player>. When we travel, I can see wild Pokémon eyeing us enviously..."
This reads like fucking doujin dialogue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 21:28:09 No.49417882 Report

Quoted By: >>49418365

>>49417774
It doesn’t really matter if it was a spin-off or not. It’s still canon, it still needed to be approved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 21:30:40 No.49417901 Report

Quoted By: >>49418013

>>49417861
Gardevoir (Cute Category- Ralts and Kirlia is in this Category as well)
Level 1
>"Aww... <player> only plays with other Pokémon... <nickname> feels neglected... Maybe <player> doesn't like <nickname> very much? <nickname> will try harder for <player>. Please be nicer to me!"
Level 2
>"Others say there are people who aren't very nice to Pokémon. I wonder about <player>... Will <player> look after <nickname> nicely? Will I get to go all over with this Trainer? Can we be... Friends?"
Level 3
>"This adventure with <player> is lots of fun. <nickname> gets to go places where I can't go by myself. I get to battle Pokémon I've never ever seen before. I'm gonna get stronger and stronger for <player>!"
Level 4
>"<nickname> and <player> make a perfectly matched combo! I've seen all sorts of people so far... But <player> understands <nickname>'s feelings most! I'm a little hungry... You can tell, right?"
Level 5
>"If I said there can be friendship between Pokémon and people, will <Pokémon>'s friends understand? But if you see <player> and <nickname>, you will understand. Because <player> and <nickname> are friends!"

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 21:33:00 No.49417926 Report

Quoted By: >>49417960 >>49418107

>>49416304
>Wears a white dress worn my ladies of nobility
>WOAH IT'S A MAGE AND GENDER NEUTRAL
Trannies really do not register reality and just see what they want to see.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 21:36:42 No.49417960 Report

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>>49417926
the greentext was mocking the ppl who got btfo’d by the new dex entry

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 21:40:40 No.49418013 Report

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>>49417901
>friends
Not like this bros...

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 21:46:57 No.49418077 Report

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People care way too much about this. At the end of the day it's a pokemon and one that's a species that can be both male and female. In any price of media it has never been shown giving it's life and the one time we get to see one in it's natural habitat it's just like any other Pokémon except as a glorified babysitter. I'm sure they've shown Pokémon sacrificing themselves for their trainers too. I'm sure the Lucario from the 8th movie does a better job at filling that role.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 21:50:34 No.49418107 Report

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>>49417926
rent free

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 21:59:49 No.49418207 Report

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>>49416690
But Wally's Gardevoir was "the" Gardevoir of its original gen. None of the other npcs that may had it at the time could compare to what's essentially the rival. Even Wally's design goes along with Gardevoir nicely.
Wally was a sick boy (can't remember what he had), Gardevoir was his "guardian angel" and was male. We see them grow together.
I still think Gardevoir was orogonally meant to be a femenine guy with powerful powers like Shaka from Saint Seiya, even if it wasn't meant to last.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:00:58 No.49418217 Report

Quoted By: >>49418223

>>49416304
The unanimous consensus is that it is a lady knight

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:01:19 No.49418220 Report

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>>49416720
I’d imagine it still being a hairlike substance which bothers me

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:01:49 No.49418223 Report

Quoted By: >>49418273 >>49418360

>>49418217
No one thinks it's a lady knight except a small minority.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:01:51 No.49418224 Report

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>>49416670
In the manga, Sapphire was thinking of evolving a male Kirlia into a Gardevoir. Does anyone remember if the Kirlia seemed unhappy about that idea, or did he not really seem to care?

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:03:00 No.49418232 Report

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>>49416720
Nowhere does it say it's a made dress, he just refers it as a dress which is accurate. It doesn't make sense that that it's actual clothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:03:24 No.49418238 Report

Quoted By: >>49418288 >>49418320 >>49418557

Wait, are there people that legitimately think that Gardevoir's design is gender neutral? It's wearing a "lady's dress", has a regular girl's haircut, super girly voice actor in Pokkén among other media representations, and evolves from a literal ballerina dancer, Kirlia, which looks like a little girl. They even made Gallade specifically as a male counterpart because of how girly Gardevoir is. It can be both genders, but so can Primarina, and you'd be braindead to think Primarina doesn't have a feminine design.
>but it's called Sir Knight in Japanese!
And we have female Mr. Mime. Names are meaningless.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:07:06 No.49418273 Report

Quoted By: >>49419227

>>49418223
you're a long way from home, son

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:08:41 No.49418288 Report

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>>49418238
Mr. Mime is a name without meaning, because its name is Barrier

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:11:06 No.49418320 Report

Quoted By: >>49418965

>>49418238
It sometimes looked kind of feminine-leaning androgynous in some of its really early art. Not it’s strictly feminine.
At least unless they have a Gardevoir who looks like that show up in the anime or something. Then it will instantly go back to being that way again.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:11:09 No.49418321 Report

Quoted By: >>49419596

>>49416720
>featureless
>still oddly hot to see it flashing

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:16:06 No.49418360 Report

Quoted By: >>49418440 >>49418455

>>49418223
*small minority of coombrains who play porn games

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:16:40 No.49418365 Report

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>>49417882
>It’s still canon
>PMD
Pick one, wet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:19:15 No.49418393 Report

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>>49416304
still 50% male

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:20:38 No.49418408 Report

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>resembles
Retard, there's a lot of things that resemble other things but aren't that thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:20:49 No.49418410 Report

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>>49416304
>qt femboy mage or big tiddy mommy mage
coomer bros always win

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:23:01 No.49418440 Report

Quoted By: >>49418463

>>49418360
No. I almost never heard anyone call it a lady knight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:23:26 No.49418443 Report

Quoted By: >>49418469

>>49417411
>There's only one personality per pokemon species
Just listen to yourself.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:24:22 No.49418454 Report

Quoted By: >>49418463

>>49416691
You lost, cope.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:24:24 No.49418455 Report

Quoted By: >>49418463

>>49418360
>You’re a coombrain because I can’t stand the idea of my pokewaifu having any depth beyond being coombait
Projecting

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:25:42 No.49418463 Report

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>>49418440
Look see, they come out of the woodworks when you call them out on their porn game addiction: >>49418454 >>49418455

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:26:28 No.49418469 Report

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>>49418443
The a lot of the species have general character traits, the pokedex says this.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:35:38 No.49418557 Report

Quoted By: >>49418574 >>49418616 >>49418965

>>49418238
I really don't see an issue. It's a species, not a character. It's suppose to represent a species that lives out in the wild with some species characteristics, in this case a protective species like Espeon or Go*dra.

Even if it's female coded I don't see an issue. Dex entires like the OP was written by a person so it's a humancentric view of the species just like the pokedex who says Primarinas are called songstress, a female title by humans, despite there being male Primarinas. It's a way human beings describe the world around them in anthropomorphic terms. In the real world we do this with soldier and queen ants or that one bird species called the secretary bird.

That doesn't mean the ralts line are literally Knights or Primarina being a literal opera singer.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:38:32 No.49418574 Report

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>>49418557
>That doesn't mean the ralts line are literally Knights or Primarina being a literal opera singer.
No, it's inferring the human occupations/roles were inspired by the pokémon in question in that universe though, just like conkeldurr taught humans how to mix concrete initially.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:39:36 No.49418589 Report

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>complain about jobmons and how the best pokemon are ambiguous monsters
>"NO GARDEVOIR IS MY HECKIN WAIFURINO, IT ISN'T A WHOLE SPECIES"

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:42:53 No.49418616 Report

Quoted By: >>49418659

>>49418557
But the vast human centric view is that gardevoir is feminine. Only an extreme vocal fringe minority liberal arts major would consider gardevoir gender nuetral. Like ask any 5 year old and they could tell you its looks female

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:47:18 No.49418659 Report

Quoted By: >>49418679 >>49418682 >>49418768 >>49421007

>>49418616
Yeah I know but it represents a species that's 50/50. In universe the professor who wrote that entry is injecting his own anthropocentric views by saying it's dress looks like one worn by noble ladies. Of course it's not a noble lady, it's a species that lives out in the wild and can be male and female. That's what I'm saying, I know it was probably designed to be female coded but in context that hardly matters. Like with the secretary bird I mentioned, to us humans it looks pretty feminine and we call it a secretary which is a mostly female occupation but they can also be males and aren't literal secretaries.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:48:54 No.49418679 Report

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>>49418659
I don’t think the writers were thinking that far into things. May as well take it at face value.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:49:14 No.49418682 Report

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>>49418659
surprised there isn't something based on this

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 22:56:46 No.49418768 Report

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>>49418659
Except the Secretary bird was named after male secretaries, due to their common outfit they wore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:05:48 No.49418871 Report

Quoted By: >>49418910 >>49418990 >>49423462

Pokemon company realized they were retarded and made sure to gender lock all future female human shaped pokemon. They doubled down and made mega gardevoir an extra feminine wedding bride. They made male exclusive ralts evolution and basically conceded Gardevoir is supposed to be the female evolution . If they were truly inclusive forward thinkers they would allow gallade to be female to prove pokemon are non binary and dont follow human labels and traditions.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:07:08 No.49418892 Report

Quoted By: >>49419554

>>49416304
>dress looks like one worn by a lady of nobility
>it's the dress of one who is willing to risk their life
>ladies of nobility
>risking their life
I don't care about the whole coomer thing but this just doesn't make any sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:08:29 No.49418910 Report

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>>49418871
They did it to better market to waifushitters

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:12:42 No.49418958 Report

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My preferred pronouns are it/its :)

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:13:27 No.49418965 Report

Quoted By: >>49418972 >>49419012 >>49419281

>>49418320
The RSE sprites as well as first official portrait all looked incredibly effeminate, but yeah, you can scour the Pokéverse until you find a somewhat less-feminine one. Not that the one you posted looks anything but effeminate, though.
>>49418557
Oh, well, I don't have an issue with it at all. I was just saying that the designers had every intention of making it an effeminate Pokémon and it is entirely designed as such. There really isn't any room for debate except for the name "Sir Knight." As if an arbitrary name changes the physical design of the Pokémon, its movements, mannerisms, and voice.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:14:19 No.49418972 Report

Quoted By: >>49418979 >>49419003 >>49419661

>>49418965
>Not that the one you posted looks anything but effeminate, though.
Man-jawed

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:14:37 No.49418974 Report

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>>49416304
>Is gender neutral
Than why does it have gender in the game?

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:15:00 No.49418979 Report

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>>49418972
>jaws

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:16:13 No.49418990 Report

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>>49418871
Pokemon at the end of the day is still a man-made franchise. Pokemon will display all manners of anthropomorphic behavior because it's easier for people to digest. Still, Pokemon species aren't characters and represent species that are closer to being animals, like living in the wild and things like that, than being characters in a play. I think for me the biggest issue with Pokemon is that, some species stay too being too on the nose on being a character such as Cinderace or the Chop line. Being a bodybuilder or a soccer player are pretty human concepts and being too on the nose with it can be weird. For me I don't even mind humanoid Pokemon because great apes exists so as long as they don't become literal humans in cosplay they can be okay, to me the biggest flaws with some Pokemon are becoming characters rather than species.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:17:24 No.49419002 Report

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>>49416304
Who cares lmfao

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:17:24 No.49419003 Report

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>>49418972
Anon ... what?

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:18:01 No.49419012 Report

Quoted By: >>49419026

>>49418965
I’m not even really disagreeing with you, I said it was always supposed to be on the feminine side. I’m just saying that they blew that up further into the series so that it was a full blown hardcore cutemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:19:20 No.49419026 Report

Quoted By:

>>49419012
Yeah, I gotcha

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:22:04 No.49419055 Report

Quoted By: >>49419072 >>49419079 >>49419108 >>49419192

>>49416304
Why is it obsessed with its trainer? What did I ever do to Gardevoir to make it love me so much?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:23:12 No.49419072 Report

Quoted By:

>>49419055
Some dogs are breed for loyalty, maybe their species are just naturally protective.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:24:02 No.49419079 Report

Quoted By:

>>49419055

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:26:10 No.49419108 Report

Quoted By:

>>49419055
It's not what you did, it's what you're going to do and it's more of a shared experience with her than something you'll do alone.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:27:34 No.49419128 Report

Quoted By: >>49419163 >>49419183 >>49419230

>>49416593
>cites porn games
the japanese name is Sirknight

it's a knight.

specifically, with its fairy typing, pointy "ears," pale skin, and green hair it's the spitting image of an western style Wood Elf to the japanese.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:30:02 No.49419163 Report

Quoted By: >>49419206 >>49419371 >>49419714

>>49419128
Except for the part where they added a male-only evolution for the shared pre-evolution. If they saw it as just a wood-elf, they wouldn't need to make a definitive male knight version, would they?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:31:49 No.49419183 Report

Quoted By:

>>49419128
You will never be Japanese.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:32:06 No.49419188 Report

Quoted By:

>>49417881
yeah how about that ;)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:32:19 No.49419192 Report

Quoted By:

>>49419055
They just really like humans. Gallade “seeks out those in need and aids them in battle“, not even specifically its trainer. Gardevoir bonds heavily with a human and watches over them, like a guardian angel.
Many Pokemon are actively benevolent to humans, e.g. Absol tries to warn of disaster, Dragonite guides lost ships, and there’s that Sinnoh myth which says Pokemon at some point got together and decided they were going to be nice and helpful to humans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:33:21 No.49419206 Report

Quoted By: >>49419259

>>49419163
They added Gallade a generation later

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:34:36 No.49419227 Report

Quoted By:

>>49418273
as a /tg/ user first and primarily, 0 protection from that armor, and that rustles my jimmies. worse than a leather bikini / 10.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:34:50 No.49419230 Report

Quoted By: >>49419289

>>49419128
What pointy ears? It's side spikes are exactly the same as Blaziken's. I don't think they're meant to be seen as ears but as face spikes like Blaziken unless you want to argue those are elf ears too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:37:09 No.49419259 Report

Quoted By: >>49419296

>>49419206
Yeah, that's my point, they scrambled to retcon the line instead of keeping to "the spitting image of a wood elf".

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:39:03 No.49419281 Report

Quoted By:

>>49418965
>effeminate
That's not what you mean

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:39:22 No.49419289 Report

Quoted By: >>49419364

>>49419230
Nowadays the spikes come out of the area where the ears would be. I think initially they were probably supposed to be what you say, extending from the sides of the face, like a mask someone would wear to a masquerade ball.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:40:16 No.49419296 Report

Quoted By:

>>49419259
Nothing in it's lore points to it taking inspiration from wood elves. Not even it's appearance, the fairy typing came later, it's green hair looks more like a helmet and having white coloration, not even pale skin, is not a trait of wood elves. And of course I already mentioned the "ears" are just like Blaziken and they come from the same Gen so it's likely it's meant to seen more like actual face spikes rather than ears.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:47:30 No.49419364 Report

Quoted By: >>49419409 >>49419427

>>49419289
This isn't my pic but here it shows it facing from the front. I don't get how anyone can confuse these things for ears, they're clearly meant to be face spikes. Let me see if I can find blaziken front facing model for comparison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:48:35 No.49419371 Report

Quoted By: >>49419377 >>49419410

>>49419163
Gallade's japanese name is Earl + Iaido (basically the katana equivalent to the cowboy handgun quickdraw, but also implies the total in-the-moment awareness to always be ready to use it.)

Gardevoir is an elfin mageknight.
Gallade is an elfin Earl, a chieftain set to rule a territory in a king's stead, one who would command an army, as evidenced by its roman praetorian helmet. In modern parlance, a General.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:49:11 No.49419377 Report

Quoted By: >>49419416

>>49419371
Do you even read the cringe shit you write

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:52:14 No.49419409 Report

Quoted By: >>49419888

>>49419364
Because you can see it’s coming out of the side of its head. Look near the bottom of them, you can see the curve of the head in front of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:52:17 No.49419410 Report

Quoted By: >>49419487

>>49419371
So in essence leaning into the male knight role, freeing them to lean into the feminine protector role/magical waif-like female trope,, thank you.
No mention of wood elves though, so that's still your headcanon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:52:37 No.49419416 Report

Quoted By: >>49419425

>>49419377
Mmm, ad hominem, delicious. So you concede then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:53:34 No.49419425 Report

Quoted By: >>49419441 >>49419487

>>49419416
Not him. Answer the question cringelord.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:53:40 No.49419427 Report

Quoted By:

>>49419364

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:55:19 No.49419441 Report

Quoted By: >>49419448

>>49419425
Stop trying to flame people on /vp/ you fag

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 23:56:03 No.49419448 Report

Quoted By:

>>49419441
Stop posting God awful tumblr headcanon cringe then idiot

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 00:01:12 No.49419487 Report

Quoted By: >>49419501 >>49419531

>>49419425
Concession accepted.

>>49419410
I mean, it's a fairy type that looks like nearly every elf in anime that isn't blond or a dark elf, complete with being rail thin and androgynous, but sure I guess? I'll admit that part has never been expressly mentioned, just alluded to with physical design elements. Kind of like saying they've never expressly said Nidoking was based on Baragon, technically true, but it would be pretty cheeky to insist it's just coincidence.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 00:02:44 No.49419501 Report

Quoted By: >>49419574

>>49419487
>he just keeps going

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 00:05:13 No.49419531 Report

Quoted By: >>49419574

>>49419487
It looks nothing like an elf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 00:08:21 No.49419554 Report

Quoted By:

>>49418892
It’s calling attention to the fact that it doesn’t make sense, it’s pointing out how it’s not what you would expect.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 00:10:28 No.49419574 Report

Quoted By:

>>49419501
>>49419531
Yup, no resemblance whatsoever.

This one even has red eyes and a bobcut.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 00:13:15 No.49419596 Report

Quoted By:

>>49418321
I too, would fuck Midna

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 00:15:08 No.49419613 Report

Quoted By:

>>49416304
So nothing has changed. They can be male or female like we already knew. Nice post retard.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 00:17:08 No.49419644 Report

Quoted By: >>49419649 >>49420835

>>49416304
>master
>MASTER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MASTER

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 00:17:38 No.49419649 Report

Quoted By:

>>49419644
They know

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 00:18:43 No.49419661 Report

Quoted By: >>49419721

>>49418972
your brain has been fried

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 00:24:08 No.49419714 Report

Quoted By:

>>49419163
Maybe they were adding the Western version?
I mean this fucker went the other way around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 00:25:01 No.49419721 Report

Quoted By: >>49419733 >>49419834 >>49420849

>>49419661
It remains this way even now. Look at that hip to shoulder ratio. That’s not the body of a girl, it’s the body of a twink. Anyone who jerks it to these things is a closeted fag.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 00:26:02 No.49419733 Report

Quoted By: >>49424332

>>49419721
Forgot pic lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 00:36:16 No.49419834 Report

Quoted By:

>>49419721
did you somehow forget that gardevoir is an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SPECIES than humans

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 00:42:09 No.49419888 Report

Quoted By: >>49420015

>>49419409
I couldn't find any image but you have this from their official art. Gardevoir face spikes are slightly different from Blaziken. Blaziken face is more rigid and divided but the spikes on both of them are similar enough that I don't get how you can confuse them for ears. Again looking at the model from the front it clearly does not resemble ears in any way and makes the face look wider from the front. There's zero indication that they're meant to be seen as elf ears. They're not even pointed up, there's three spikes and they resemble those of another gen 3 Pokémon which makes it seem more likely that they're not ears.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 00:56:27 No.49420015 Report

Quoted By:

>>49419888
Also the mega evolution supports those being like horns or something. They fucking curl in the mega

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 01:29:22 No.49420365 Report

Quoted By:

>>49416304
waifuchads always win

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 01:31:10 No.49420384 Report

Quoted By:

>>49416773
absolutely unimaginably based

>>49416823
here comes the cope

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 02:15:20 No.49420835 Report

Quoted By: >>49420936

>>49417854
>>49416773
>>49417482
>>49419644
As in a master and pet, and servant and master.
As in POKEMON master.

You literally own it. It's not a Sub/Dom sex thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 02:16:23 No.49420849 Report

Quoted By:

>>49419721
>Implying closeted

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 02:25:42 No.49420936 Report

Quoted By: >>49421164

>>49420835
Gardevoir fans use “master” constantly. The people who wrote this knew what they were doing by using that word. They fucking knew.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 02:31:59 No.49421007 Report

Quoted By:

>>49418659
>not resseting for a female secretary bird

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 02:43:23 No.49421164 Report

Quoted By: >>49421272 >>49421412

>>49420936
The series has used master to refer to a trainer before. Mega gengar dex entry, I think in the anime an Ekans did it when speaking to pikachu, I think the talking Lucario from the movies also said the word master. There's probably some other examples. This isn't anything unique.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 02:52:41 No.49421272 Report

Quoted By: >>49421412 >>49421455

>>49421164
They almost always default to using “trainer”, and that’s what they’ve done with this species until now. They intentionally used the word “master” instead of “trainer”. They’re pandering.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 03:03:08 No.49421412 Report

Quoted By: >>49421582

>>49421272
>>49421164
Going from his examples, humans that train pokemon refer to themselves as trainers, while Pokemon refer to their human as master, trainer or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 03:06:13 No.49421455 Report

Quoted By:

>>49421272
To be fair this is before trainers were a thing.
https://paste. ee/r/PLl7M/0

The word trainer is only used three times in Arceus and only when discussing the future. Remember the context of the dex entry, it's the professor writing them and he doesn't know anything about trainers.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 03:13:34 No.49421569 Report

Quoted By: >>49421756

>>49416304

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 03:14:41 No.49421582 Report

Quoted By:

>>49421412
This, Island of the Giant Pokémon had Koffing and Ekans calling Jessie and James "master".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 03:29:32 No.49421756 Report

Quoted By: >>49421795 >>49421853

>>49421569
I'd just like to point out that, much more worrisome than Gardevoir, Glaceon is there, thereby acknowledged as a waifumon by Pokemon Company International.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 03:33:21 No.49421795 Report

Quoted By:

>>49421756
>nooooo, the series understands furfags like it
You do realise behind kids, furfags are the 2nd biggest slice of the merchandising pie?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 03:39:01 No.49421853 Report

Quoted By: >>49421897 >>49422236

>>49421756
This company has Largo go around wearing lingerie. Acknowledging a quadruped as a waifu shouldn’t be surprising.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 03:41:35 No.49421883 Report

Quoted By:

>>49416304
the professor doesn't know shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 03:42:45 No.49421897 Report

Quoted By:

>>49421853
On top of the eevees being super popular with pokefuckers. It's not a coincidence they chose the eevee with the anime girl haircut.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 03:46:43 No.49421951 Report

Quoted By:

>>49416304
It's pretty much a high class noblewoman to match Gallade's knight focus, something which would've been obvious had GF introduced the two together as gender specific evolutions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 04:12:50 No.49422236 Report

Quoted By: >>49422318

>>49421853
>Largo go around wearing lingerie.
Literally any person wearing stockings that aren't hold-ups (hers very clearly aren't, or else she's worn the elastic to shreds so effectively aren't) that isn't using garters needs a suspender belt.

You wouldn't call shirt stays lingerie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 04:21:03 No.49422318 Report

Quoted By:

>>49422236
They knew what they were doing by designing her like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 04:25:16 No.49422363 Report

Quoted By:

>>49417092
i'm putting my dick in the black hole

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 04:28:42 No.49422408 Report

Quoted By:

>>49418768
Oh, neat I didn't know that. Guess that's my bad. But it still goes hand in hand with the point I'm making. The name given to the bird was based around around a human concept and applied to a real bird because explorers saw that it reminded them of secretaries. This is reflected in Pokemon with the examples I've given, Primarina being referred to as a Songstress by humans or the professor saying Gardevoir "dress" resembles that of women nobility. In context, and especially with Primarina, either species can also be male but in the Pokedex anthropocentric view they're referred to as feminine which I think gives it some sense of realism. I stress, these Pokemon aren't meant to be characters, they're species that take on a specific context in the Pokemon universe. The whole crying over what Pokemon takes inspiration from what or gender doesn't mean much because of the context Pokemon find themselves in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 05:19:34 No.49422978 Report

Quoted By:

All this complicated hurdle jumping when you could at the very least post pictures of my wife Gardevoir (female).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 06:01:50 No.49423352 Report

Quoted By:

>>49416304
Is this meant to keep my cock out of her?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 06:15:16 No.49423462 Report

Quoted By: >>49423522

>>49418871
>Buy into /LGBT/
>Realize that it'll be jackboots and armbands in the next five years and nobody will survive from /LGBT/
>Backpedal and return to normal science in advance of the shitstorm
Sounds pretty forward thinking to me, and nobody cares about inclusive except people bitching about not being included.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 06:22:15 No.49423522 Report

Quoted By:

>>49423462
These creatures aren’t humans, they shouldn’t have any relevance to gender politics. They shouldn’t be seen as statements on gender politics. Sylveon isn’t a statement on transgenders. Male gardevoir isn’t a statement on gender role enforcement. They aren’t humans.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 07:37:50 No.49424197 Report

Quoted By:

>>49416304
but does it have bigole tiddies

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 07:51:13 No.49424332 Report

Quoted By: >>49424440

>>49419733
lmao what the fuck is this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 07:58:15 No.49424397 Report

Quoted By: >>49424546

lmao at knightfags.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 08:02:09 No.49424440 Report

Quoted By:

>>49424332
They modeled it up to the ass before it joins with the dress, so this person basically edited off the dress flaps and recolored the green arm/chest area.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 08:11:43 No.49424546 Report

Quoted By:

>>49424397
Why does it have helmet hair, huh? Look at it. It’s even got lines going down it to make it look like a visor. It’s obvious what it was supposed to be just by looking at it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jan 2022 08:53:22 No.49425039 Report

Quoted By:

>>49416304
The only thing that was lost is your sanity

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