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1st gym leader thread.

Anonymous Wed 02 Feb 2022 00:29:38 No.49515799 View View Reply Original Report

Hey, so I'm the anon that made this>>49511764 thread, not trying to spam threads or anything, and I'm especially not trying to shill my game (Not actually gonna be in a playable state anytime in the foreseeable future anyway), but I'll likely be popping by at times to ask random game design questions. I also made a thread months ago where me and a single anon discussed map design at length, I really appreciated that anon, was a very good thread.
Anyway, I'm here to ask for opinions on my first gym leader design. This'll be a long one over multiple posts so sry if you hate walls of text. The point of this thread is to gather input on how to put together the desired boss fight, everything from what tools to give the gym leader, to what tools to give the player, and also I'm open to hearing criticism so long as it's constructive and offers an alternative, if you can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Feb 2022 00:29:57 No.49515802 Report

Quoted By: >>49515812

>>49515799
Gym leaders team:
[Fakemon 1, the ace]
Type: Rock/Ghost
Stats: 45/30/95/30/135/45
Moves: Ancient power, Meditate, Baton pass
[Fakemon 2]
Type: Flying
Stats: 50/45/55/45/55/60
Moves: *To be determined*
[Fakemon 3]
Type: Normal
Stats: *To be determined*
Moves: *To be determined*

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Feb 2022 00:30:09 No.49515806 Report

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SHUT UP

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Anonymous Wed 02 Feb 2022 00:30:58 No.49515812 Report

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>>49515802
Ok so clearly I’m nowhere near finished but I have the central dynamic of the whole challenge figured out so hear me out.
The gym leader leads with their ace, who has 6 weaknesses, but the player only has access to 4 of them: Water, Grass, Dark, and Ground. If you couldn’t tell I’m going presplit, but I’ll be making dark physical and ghost special. Of these types, water and grass are the easiest to come by, but they’re special types and the ace has super high special defence, with the moves/mons the player has at their disposal the ace will be in range for a 3hko at best via grass and water moves, 4hko after consuming it’s berry. The player has access to dark type moves as well, but no dark type mons so despite the ace having lower physical defence, the lack of stab means you’re in the same boat as the other 2 types, 4hko at best. Ground is your best bet, there’s one ground mon that has access to one ground type move: Dig, base 60 power in this game. Stab Dig will actually hit like a truck at this point, however you NEED to take out the flying mon first, using dig will trigger the Gym leader to switch (or baton pass if they have stat boosts but we’ll get to that) to the flying pokemon if it’s still not fainted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Feb 2022 00:31:59 No.49515824 Report

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>>49515812
Now that we have weaknesses out of the way lets discuss what strategy the gym leader puts into motion. It’s very simple: Lead with ace pokemon, use meditate exactly as many times as is necessary to be in range for a 1hko using ancient power, this is to conserve the pitiful 5pp of it’s only attacking move. If, before it’s done setting up, you manage to bring it in range for a 1hko (2hko if you outspeed it) or otherwise put it at a disadvantage, it will baton pass it’s boosts to one of his 2 other mons, whichever best checks your counter. They won’t have baton pass so it can’t chain pass. If you take out this pokemon the Ace will be sent out again and the strategy is resumed.
I haven’t fully thought through everything but here’s the gist: The leader relies on their ace to set up and sweep, it’s impossible to take out quickly so even with the low attacking stats it’s nearly impossible to take it out before it puts you in range for a ohko. If you somehow whittle it down it’ll pass all it’s boosts to one of his other 2 pokemon to swing things back in his favour. Not too complicated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Feb 2022 00:33:00 No.49515834 Report

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>>49515824
Now lets talk counter strats. Essentially the player needs to find a way to trick the AI into putting ITSELF in a disadvantageous position. It can pretty cleanly respond to any immediate response you have to his strategy, you need to think steps ahead, the simplicity of the strategy is on purpose so the player can figure out how to make trick the AI into “Countering” a red herring counter, and then respond by punishing the predictability. I haven’t thought out everything the player will have their disposal so I’m not completely sure what ways the player will be able to do this yet. Ok. That’s everything. Thoughts? Ideas? Suggestions? I’m really open to hearing input from you guys, I’m no game designer, I need helpful input from you guys to ensure I’m thinking of everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Feb 2022 01:26:36 No.49516388 Report

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