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Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 16:22:27 No.49543117 View View Reply Original Report

Why do people say Gen 6 was the downfall?

>Gym Leaders using 3 Pokémon
Started in Gen 5
>Elite Four using 4 Pokémon
Started in Gen 5
>Focus on the characters and story rather than your own adventure
Started in Gen 4
>Linear gameplay
Started in Gen 4
>Excessive handholding
Started in Gen 4
>Linear region
Started in Gen 5
>Theme pack region with no identity
Started in Gen 5
>Roadblocks after every story advancement
Started in Gen 5
>Simple route design
Started in Gen 5
>No postgame
Started in Gen 5

Seems to me like Gen 4/5 was the beginning of the downfall (with a brief peak at HGSS).

Gens 1-3 + LA is "true Pokémon".

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 16:28:08 No.49543170 Report

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because it just is
OP keeps on coping
fpbp

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 16:31:25 No.49543195 Report

Quoted By: >>49543230 >>49543307

>>49543117
because they still had worthwhile content
also the theme park region shit they do would be good if it was more open, shittoh is literally just trees for 90% of the region, id also say the way routes are designed in gen 5 and 6 are the best routes in the series, you get a point a to b means of travel as well as side areas off the main path to explore unlike alola and galar which are all just straight lines

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 16:35:02 No.49543225 Report

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>>49543117
>Focus on the characters and story rather than your own adventure
>Started in Gen 4
Nah, Gen 3 and 4 were pretty similar here; if you count Gen 4, count Gen 3

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 16:36:45 No.49543230 Report

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>>49543195
>you get a point a to b means of travel as well as side areas off the main path to explore unlike alola and galar which are all just straight lines
dumbass

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 16:38:33 No.49543243 Report

Quoted By: >>49543321

>>49543117
>Roadblocks after every story advancement
Gen 4 actually
>Simple route design
This was gen 6
>No postgame
You're a fucking moron if you think gen 5 had no postgame

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 16:40:34 No.49543256 Report

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>>49543117
>Simple route design
>Started in Gen 5
You mean the region that went out of its way to make routes more dynamic with seasons? Weak bait, discordniggers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 16:43:25 No.49543271 Report

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>>49543117
>>Gym Leaders using 3 Pokémon
>>Elite Four using 4 Pokémon
Can't defend these

>>Focus on the characters and story rather than your own adventure
That was them trying to do something different, I'd blame Gen 5 for continuing the trend.

>>Linear gameplay
No, this was Gen 5 too.

>>Excessive handholding
Gen 6, not 4 or 5.

>>Linear region
>>Theme pack region with no identity
Again, one time thing, I'd excuse them the first time for trying something different.

>>Roadblocks after every story advancement
Pretty sure this was 4.

>>Simple route design
This was also Gen 6.

>>No postgame
Also Gen 6.

It wasn't Gen 4/5, it was Gen 5/6. People blame Gen 6 because Gen 5 tried to do a lot of things differently so it gets a pass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 16:45:59 No.49543283 Report

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>>49543117
>>Focus on the characters and story rather than your own adventure
yes I want to play red and blue clones over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ov...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 16:46:42 No.49543288 Report

Quoted By: >>49543329

>>49543117
>>Gym Leaders using 3 Pokémon
>Started in Gen 5
Not the issue. The issue is that the Gen 6 Gym leaders had 3 shitters and would often exclude obvious good choices from their team. The Gen 5 teams only had 3 but were generally crafted better.
>>Elite Four using 4 Pokémon
>Started in Gen 5
Same as above
>>Focus on the characters and story rather than your own adventure
>Started in Gen 4
*Started in Gen 3
>>Linear gameplay
>Started in Gen 4
*Started in Gen 3
>>Excessive handholding
>Started in Gen 4
I wouldn't say that's entirely accurate, it was more of a slow creep over the years, it was pretty minor in Gen 4 but each subsequent game took it to a new level.
>>Linear region
>Started in Gen 5
Correct, but the key thing about Unova was that the routes themselves were much less linear. The BW2 late game routes are kino. Kalos's routes are a little more linear but not excessively so.
>>Theme pack region with no identity
>Started in Gen 5
Wrong, I would argue this didn't really start until Gen 8
>>Roadblocks after every story advancement
>Started in Gen 5
Started in Gen 3/4
>>Simple route design
>Started in Gen 5
Completely false, there are a couple of short straight routes mostly around Nimbasa and Opelucid but the rest of the routes are great. Kanto did the same thing. In reality this didn't kick off as a system until Gen 7.
>>No postgame
>Started in Gen 5
Started in RS, or more accurately RBY. Every first version does this, you're supposed to judge based on the last version which by the way, ORAS was more designed as a middle game and the real final game of Gen 6 never happened. People will cry and screech that I said that because they hate being reminded and will deny that it's the truth and they can go lick my asshole.

Gen 6 did actually start:
>Prioritization of graphics over gameplay
>70-80 mon batches in a generation
>Cancellation of key games for the series
>Blatantly unfinished storylines and lore
>EXP share that one day became forced

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 16:49:40 No.49543307 Report

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>>49543195
>id also say the way routes are designed in gen 5 and 6 are the best routes in the series
6 maybe but 5 absolutely not. especially in base bw. the routes b2w2 added were good though.

overall, i'd say gen 2 and 3 have the best route design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 16:50:57 No.49543314 Report

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>>49543225
gen 3 had a mix of story and freedom. it was a perfect blend between what we got in the first two gens and gens 4-5.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 16:51:13 No.49543316 Report

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>>49543117
Because Gen 5 feels like the last games where they actually put some effort and polish into it. Every game since has felt like an unfinished product that gets put together in a year.

>>No postgame
>Started in Gen 5
This is false. The Postgame for BW2 is still substantial.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 16:51:30 No.49543321 Report

Quoted By: >>49543328

>>49543243
>>Simple route design
>This was gen 6
No it fucking wasn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 16:52:59 No.49543328 Report

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>>49543321
route designs in pokemon have always been simple lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 16:53:00 No.49543329 Report

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>>49543117
>>49543288
Continued, a few other things that Gen 6 either started or normalized:
>Legendaries as giftmons
>No new areas to explore in postgame outside of an obligatory town for the battle facility
>Rivals that are emotional pushovers, and no, Barry, Cheren and Bianca don't count because they actually develop as characters, and Brendan/May barely had any involvement to begin with so not much was lost
>Power-up gimmicks for them to waste a generation on then throw in the garbage rather than keep around
>Transfer as a subscription mechanic and not a standard feature
Another minor gripe
>Gym leader rematches that aren't even real rematches because they don't use their full teams

Khu

Khu Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:02:36 No.49543410 Report

Quoted By: >>49543429 >>49543435

>>49543117
>cool artwork
>egotistical watermark

artists constantly ruin their work and its funny as fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:04:48 No.49543429 Report

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>>49543410
it's understandable at least. it's not like those stupid niggers who make memes on instagram then plaster their name all over it like anybody gives a shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:05:45 No.49543435 Report

Quoted By: >>49543462

>>49543410
maybe if niggers stopped plagiarising art this wouldn't be an issue

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:08:24 No.49543458 Report

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>>49543117
Almost all the grievances you listed started in Gen 1 though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:08:49 No.49543462 Report

Quoted By: >>49544047

>>49543435
if greedy jews never took over nfts then they would be a perfect way to verify the original artist of a work. but no the technology is used to trade monkeys instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:13:02 No.49543496 Report

Quoted By: >>49543604

>>49543117
>Why do people say Gen 6 was the downfall?
As an XY fan, it's because they were objective downgrades from the game prior and every game afterward make exceedingly worse transgressions.
Gen 6 also gets hate on this board because Discorders use it as the scapegoat game to try and make nu-Pokemon look even better, implying that SM/SWSH are somehow any better.
Legends is the first truly great game since Gen 5. Gen 6 is the downfall because it's just "good", and wouldn't be considered as such if the games that came after were just as good or better.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:25:52 No.49543604 Report

Quoted By: >>49543621

>>49543496
will you discordtards please stop trying to spin Gen 7 being better as some sort of new narrative? It's been the commonplace opinion since shortly after the game's releaxe in 2016 going into early 2017. Your blatant revisionism isn't going to work on anyone other than the newfaggiest leak tourists on here right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:27:35 No.49543621 Report

Quoted By: >>49543653

>>49543604
That's what I just said, ESL-kun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:30:33 No.49543653 Report

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>>49543621
>That's what I just said
>>Gen 6 also gets hate on this board because Discorders use it as the scapegoat game to try and make nu-Pokemon look even better, implying that SM/SWSH are somehow any better.
not only does this directly imply that Gen 6 isn't widely considered "nu-Pokemon", but it's also implying that people thinking SM is better is part of a narrative rather than a natural opinion. If that wasn't your point you conveyed it pretty poorly.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:31:09 No.49543659 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:31:39 No.49543664 Report

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>>49543117
Many issues started in gen 5, 4, and even 3, but gen 6 was the first time that the gradual change added up to a notable difference overall. Comparing 3 to 5 or 4 to 5 doesn't look nearly as different as 4 to 6 or 5 to 6, partially because of the graphics, but mainly because the combined changes had hit a breaking point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:32:42 No.49543671 Report

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>>49543659
Why does it look like a puppy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:33:49 No.49543680 Report

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Most of the /vp/ userbase are NDS kiddies since most KANTOOOOOOOOfags are now married with children, so naturally that is the game they're gonna sugarcoat

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:35:55 No.49543695 Report

Quoted By: >>49543779

>>49543117
Pwt is a fun bossrush mode
White/black tower and the subway are fun too (I know the subway is a battle tower clone but newer games only have this one)
Pokewood is alright, the musicals are too simple, they suck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:45:19 No.49543750 Report

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I honestly think X and Y get a worse rep than they deserve purely because we never got a pokemon Z to actually fix any of the issues with x and y the way emerald, platinum and crystal did. I swear if DP or RS were the only gen 3 and 4 games we got people would say similar things about them (ESPECIALLY dp). Honestly sun and moon did more damage by cucking gen 6 out of a proper definitive version

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:50:42 No.49543779 Report

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>>49543695
X and Y were the games that really casualized competitive breeding. But instead of using that to its advantage to make a better endgame they basically decided that competitive would just be the endgame, a trend that is painfully noticeable from that point on

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:53:14 No.49543798 Report

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>>49543117
>Honest discussion
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:54:06 No.49543806 Report

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>>49543117
>type specialists having less mons
This isn’t a negative unless they’re easier mons like XY
>focus on plot
This isn’t a negative unless it’s a shittier plot like XY
>linearity
This isn’t a negative unless there are less optional areas to explore like XY
>handholding
Increased every generation. Define “excessive”
>linear region
This isn’t a negative unless the region offers less optional areas to explore like XY
>theme park region with no identity
It’s good that each location has unique identities like the cities in Gen 5. XY locations simply suffer from LACK of identity.
>roadblocks after ever story advancement
This is technically every game, as each story advancement is defined by a roadblock of some kind, splitting up the plot into pieces.
>bad route design
Actually started in Gen 7
>no postgame
Gen 6 actually decreased postgame size.
Weak bait, 2/10

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 17:56:31 No.49543828 Report

Quoted By: >>49544003

>>49543117
>No postgame
>Started in Gen 5
faggot detected

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 18:06:51 No.49543909 Report

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>>49543659
I'M WALKING ON SUNSHINE
BOW-WOW

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 18:08:06 No.49543922 Report

Quoted By: >>49543970

>>49543117
Yes gen 4/5 was the downfall, people just like their retarded bidoof memes and ass ugly turnermons. Also HGSS is shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 18:13:47 No.49543970 Report

Quoted By: >>49544054

>>49543922
>Also HGSS is shit.
No one agrees with you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 18:16:39 No.49544003 Report

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>>49543828
Bw doesn't have much to do
The sequels fixed this but that was the bare minimum the second game on the same gen had to do, why couldn't they have made Bw a more interesting game after the plot is done?

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Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 18:18:06 No.49544014 Report

Quoted By: >>49544051

>>49543117
Genuinely, coping zoomers sperging over gen5 (the worst selling games of the franchise)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 18:19:47 No.49544032 Report

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>>49543117
gen 4 doesn't have excessive hand holding, but yeah, the majority of people agree gen v was the beginning of the end. that's where most people quit for good

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 18:21:16 No.49544042 Report

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Because XY was soulless and BW was not
Simple as

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 18:21:31 No.49544047 Report

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>>49543462
no it wouldn't

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 18:22:14 No.49544051 Report

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>>49544014
>criticized Unovafags and posts an image of one

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 18:22:39 No.49544054 Report

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>>49543970
Good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 18:22:48 No.49544055 Report

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>>49543117
I don't have complex reasons like that
BW was just the last time I had genuine fun playing Pokemon
I did not have that much fun playing XY, Sun Moon, or Sword and Shield
I'm relying entirely on my feelings and gut.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Feb 2022 18:23:55 No.49544061 Report

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>>49543117
Bad bait, enjoy the vacation genwaring discord raider.

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