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Starter Design Discussion Thread

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 18:57:47 No.49767827 View View Reply Original Report

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say what you will about new pokemon designs being trash but this is an Objective Improvement in silhouette, shape language, and clear distinction from starter to starter and i am GENUINELY happy to see gamefreak at least improve on this aspect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 18:58:42 No.49767860 Report

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>>49767827
>say what you will about new pokemon designs being trash

They’re literally the best starters since Gen 4

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 18:59:20 No.49767879 Report

Quoted By: >>49770638

i have no clue what the fuck i'm looking at. I like them better than gen 8 tho.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 19:01:21 No.49767937 Report

Quoted By: >>49767999 >>49769149

>>49767860
this. The only set since Gen IV without a clear dud

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 19:03:22 No.49767999 Report

Quoted By: >>49771438

>the cat's the designated girl
Wonder how her evos will look.
>>49767937
Really? I'm not a fan of the duck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 19:04:14 No.49768020 Report

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>>49767827
I really like all of them. Quaxly is my choice though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 19:05:43 No.49768068 Report

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>>49767827
This is actually a really good point from an artistic perspective.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 19:08:30 No.49768152 Report

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>>49767860
I didn't like gen 4's starters but I agree these new guys are the best we've gotten in a long while.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 19:10:10 No.49768214 Report

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>>49767827
>Green Cat
+It's cute and I like it
+Looks like a Pokemon
-Minor Neopets big head creep
-Just a tad too weak looking
-You just know this think is becoming a furbait monstrosity later on

>Dinosaur
+Has potential for evolution
+Good colors
-Eyes are bad and not Pokemon
-Looks unintelligent in an unappealing way
-Limbs looks difficult for it to use

Duck
+Simple
-Zoomer haircut
-Personality gives off flamer vibes
-Trying too hard to be a mascot rather than an animal
-Too human

Overall
+As you said distinct silhouettes
+Good use of color
+No noodle arms or overdesigned elements
-Cutification means nothing looks tough
-Proportions are more Pokemon than last gen, but still not good enough
-Don't look like a trio

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 19:37:46 No.49769149 Report

Quoted By: >>49773589 >>49775028

>>49767860
>>49767937
I'd argue that gen 5 had a pretty strong set too. The only thing that killed them for me were the final evos (namely Emboar) but the initial mons were good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 19:39:03 No.49769199 Report

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>>49767860
They're not as good as Gen VII's and we haven't seen their final evos yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 19:40:10 No.49769238 Report

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>>49767860
fpbp

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 19:41:11 No.49769271 Report

Quoted By: >>49769343 >>49770549 >>49774655 >>49775136

Gen 1:
>Cute and Tough, defensive form
>Cute and Tough, offensive form
>Cute and Tough, balanced form

Gen 9:
>Cute and feminine
>Cute and retarded
>Cute and gay

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 19:43:24 No.49769343 Report

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>>49769271
>I'm going to ignore everything in-between
Certified retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 19:45:07 No.49769401 Report

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>>49767827
>shape language
schizo-tier word combination

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 19:56:48 No.49769796 Report

Quoted By: >>49770370 >>49774319 >>49774762

>>49769343
Gen 1:
>Cute and Tough, defensive form
>Cute and Tough, offensive form
>Cute and Tough, balanced form

Gen 2:
>Cute and Tough, Feminine form
>Cute and Tough, Composed form
>Cute and Tough, Aggressive form

Gen 3:
>Kinda Cute and Kinda tough, Sneaky form
>Cute and feminine
>Cute... that's it, just cute.

Gen 4:
>Just Cute, defensive form
>Just kinda cute
>Very Cute

Gen 5:
>Kinda Cute and Smug
>Cute and Ugly (think pug)
>Very Cute

Gen 6:
>Ugly and... just ugly
>Tryhard Cute
>Kinda Cute and intelligent

Gen 7:
>Boring
>Edgy
>Cute

Gen 8:
>Cute
>Boring
>Boring

Gen 9:
>Cute and feminine
>Cute and retarded
>Cute and gay

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Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:07:16 No.49770154 Report

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>>49769401
thanks for the laugh it really made my day. please read a book.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:08:13 No.49770184 Report

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>>49767827
posting this yet again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:09:26 No.49770225 Report

Quoted By: >>49770330 >>49771234 >>49774331

>>49767827
grass cat looks like a neopet, we didn't need another water type bird starter we have piplup, they should have picked a different animal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:12:23 No.49770330 Report

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>>49770225
Neopet > Retard and Faggot

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:13:31 No.49770370 Report

Quoted By: >>49770404 >>49770438 >>49770734 >>49775028

>>49769796
Here's your (You) for calling Rowlet boring and not cute

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:14:30 No.49770404 Report

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>>49770370
Rowlet is best bird

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:14:43 No.49770417 Report

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>>49767860
This. They're either classically great (weed cat), unorthodox but endearing (tomato croc), or between those two extremes (donald duck).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:15:23 No.49770438 Report

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>>49770370
It's more cute than not, but it's so tame it's the most boring of them all. Better than the next gen's borings at least.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:17:15 No.49770511 Report

Quoted By: >>49770530 >>49774803 >>49775028

>>49767827

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:17:30 No.49770515 Report

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>>49767827
Kanto starter have a similar head shape and face, makes them feel part of the same world. I think that's the idea behind Galar starters

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:17:54 No.49770530 Report

Quoted By: >>49770793

>>49770511
Watercolor looks better but the real issue is neopet mascot proportion creep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:18:34 No.49770549 Report

Quoted By: >>49770622

>>49769271
If anything, without knowing anything else about them, I'd 100% guess that Squirtle was the defensive one, what with it being a turtle with a shell and all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:21:17 No.49770622 Report

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>>49770549
Bulba's quadroped and tanky so I always saw him as defense while Squirt looks ready to move but also armored.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:21:49 No.49770638 Report

Quoted By: >>49771408 >>49774829

>>49767879
>>49769401
aight im gonna break it down in the simplest fucking words i can muster alright, but your listening hats on everybody!

when you design a character, you dont just draw a cat. or a dog. or a person. you also are thinking while you do it? right? you think about the Colors. and you think about the Shapes.

Shapes can communicate to people different things about each character. Round shapes are soft and friendly. Square shapes are dependable and strong. Triangles are pointy so they are more fast and dangerous.

here is an example that your cum stained brains might be able to comprehend. lemme just flash some waifubait in your face and maybe some electrical signals will get through.

in all seriousness, its important to at least understand this kind of stuff so you can engage in media thoughtfully. its nice to know why and why not certain designs might appeal to you and actually think about things for a sec yknow?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:24:36 No.49770734 Report

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>>49770370
the reason why rowlet is not boring is because poplio and litten arent just a single circle. if all the starters were one circle then rowlet would be boring, but because he isnt, its design stands out and is able to be adorable and fresh!

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Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:25:57 No.49770774 Report

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>>49768476
Cat is literally what something a devianart user with no imagination would post as OC. They just made my mom's pet green.
Duck leans into that area too but at least has a funny blob of water on its head.
Croc actually looks like a semi-unique creature on top of being dumb and goofy so it's the best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:26:32 No.49770793 Report

Quoted By: >>49770831

>>49770530
>proportion creep.
look at OP though, and see how gen 8's starters all have the same sized body? in comparison, i think fuecoco is able to break that up and proportionally look different enough from the other two that they stand out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:27:53 No.49770831 Report

Quoted By: >>49771145

>>49770793
Pokemon aren't just starters but a series of a bunch of monsters. Sure the fat one helps the babified ones look less generic amongst themselves, but that's not the only goal of a starter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:29:42 No.49770880 Report

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>>49770774
Correct.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:31:13 No.49770917 Report

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>>49770774
Woops wrong reply

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:33:45 No.49770980 Report

Quoted By: >>49771047

>>49770774
>They just made my mom's pet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:34:53 No.49771012 Report

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>>49770774
>MUH UNIQUEEEEEE
Worst taste.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:35:45 No.49771047 Report

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>>49770980
Yeah I don't like that either

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:36:13 No.49771063 Report

Quoted By: >>49771234

>>49767827
Doesnt look like Sugimori drew these
Looks like Neopets

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:37:04 No.49771087 Report

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>>49770774
>Looks like a logically consistent animal! Boring!
>Shitpost design elements for muh 'rigonalities? Based!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:39:14 No.49771145 Report

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>>49770831
great point! i think youre right and we'll have to wait and see how the final evos look because we might have another incinceroar situation where its a completely unexpected final evo, and that might make up for the weaknesses of each starter.

i do think weedcat is a little plain, could have more contrast in the colors or even one more color in the palette to make it less boring.

i love my dino croc man but he is a little overexaggerated. im not complaining cause at least its different yknow?

donald duck is fine nothing is wrong with him. he's actually a great example when it comes to color contrast because if weedcat had a darker green for the accent and a brighter color for the eyes itd automatically be an improvement

HOWEVER! i'd like to argue that ultimately the starters ARE a set. Think about all of the merchandise? besides the original starters im willing to bet that most merch with starters on them have all 3 of them together right? and while pokemon SHOULD be a game first and foremost, gamefreak lets the rest of the corporate stuff leak into their design philosophies so ultimately they made a good play here.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:42:04 No.49771234 Report

Quoted By: >>49771554

>>49771063
>>49770225
neopets poster please take your meds

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:45:24 No.49771335 Report

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>>49770154
Take your meds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:48:30 No.49771408 Report

Quoted By: >>49771688

>>49770638
Take your God damned pills.
Its nothing but your schizophrenia and confirmation bias.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:49:33 No.49771438 Report

Quoted By: >>49771500

>>49767999
grass inceneroar incoming. going to become grass fighting to, with be a brazilian ju-jitsu and have a luchador mask like design for its face. pic rel

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:52:18 No.49771500 Report

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>>49771438
Swords dancers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:54:07 No.49771554 Report

Quoted By: >>49772114

>>49771234
man i had kau, he was my bro in elementary, it was the only one our stores had was kau. then in middle achool i found a lion neopet on clearance and bought kau a friend for 5 bucks. im 31 now and now im vaguely sad their buried in my house somewhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 20:58:45 No.49771688 Report

Quoted By: >>49773130

>>49771408
it's literally character design 101 you retarded pig

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 21:11:58 No.49772088 Report

Quoted By: >>49772290

>>49767827
you missing the point about last gens similar shapes being obviously intentional

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 21:12:53 No.49772114 Report

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>>49771554
rest in peace little buddy

i always liked xqweetoks and aishas and im somehow not a furry so i'd call that a victory

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 21:18:02 No.49772290 Report

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>>49772088
no i know its intentional, the powerpuff girls do the same thing. different varieties of the same design.

the difference between the ppgs and the starters tho is that the ppgs are basically just palette swaps with different hair styles, cause theyre a super sentai type deal. its cute that they match. the starters didn't fully commit to them being the same design and because it wasn't fully committed it looks half-asseed and lazy.

theres justttt enough differences in the silhouettes for it to look unintentional to a layman. like, im sure even the person calling me a schitzo in this thread can tell the powerpuff girls were designed as a set and are supposed to look like that. but he'd look at the gen 8 starters, and be able to tell that something is off about them and not be able to place what just because the differences are enough to not be obvious yknow?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 21:44:50 No.49773130 Report

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>>49771688
>its real cause I say it's real
Cope with your schizophrenia

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 21:56:12 No.49773536 Report

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>>49767860
Very good take anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 21:58:00 No.49773589 Report

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>>49769149
I hated Gen 5's starters. At first I liked the snake but playing through the game it gets NOTHING but grass and normal moves. It's special ability is good, but it was completely unavailable in Gen 5

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Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:19:19 No.49774173 Report

Quoted By: >>49774515

>>49767827
As a trio they're an upgrade over gen 8's shite but I still don't particularly like them, especially the grass one.
Grass is technically less offensive to the eyes than say sobble or scorbunny, but it is truly just generic elemental cat with no thought or care put into it. Fits right into fakemon dexes everywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:20:21 No.49774197 Report

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>>49767860
this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:23:07 No.49774269 Report

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>>49767860
Hard agree
I love them

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:24:37 No.49774305 Report

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>>49767860
Absolutely based

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:25:22 No.49774319 Report

Quoted By: >>49774762

>>49769796
How the fuck is Litten edgy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:25:51 No.49774331 Report

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>>49770225
>implying penguins are birds
They're fish retard, they swim and not fly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:26:20 No.49774343 Report

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>>49767860
they hated anon because he told them the truth

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:26:33 No.49774347 Report

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>>49767827
i think it might be triangle/square/circle?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:27:56 No.49774391 Report

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I miss when cutemons were allowed to have angry eyes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:32:17 No.49774497 Report

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i'm honestly not the biggest fan of the trio, grass kitty is the obvious seller and the other two look like early-mid game mons you'd add to your team for the Fire/Water/Grass build and not the sore thumb rare pokemon they usually are. they're solid individually but i don't see how it's better then grookey, scorbunny, and sobble

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Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:33:04 No.49774515 Report

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>>49774173
agreed, it also is just like really gen 1 in its color palette? i whipped this up real quick just to show that even with a little more contrast it could be a lot better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:38:31 No.49774638 Report

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New starters are boring, sorry.
I didn't like how the last starters evolved, but each one of them had their own unique thing going on. They were some of my favorite designs until the game came out and murdered them.

These new ones look like the goal was "easy toy reproduction".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:39:21 No.49774655 Report

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>>49769271
Gen 1 Bisa is retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:40:46 No.49774695 Report

Quoted By: >>49774750

>>49767860
chimchar is somehow the worst first stage starter in the same series that prodcued oshawott, how could you possibly believe this
that said these are pretty good, first time there hasn't been an outright awful first stage since gen 6

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:42:30 No.49774750 Report

Quoted By: >>49774862

>people like this trio
>>49774695
>chimchar is somehow the worst first stage starter

wtf is going on in this thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:42:57 No.49774762 Report

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>>49769796
>>49774319
Not OP but that is literally the reason why i chose a fire mon as a starter as a first.
>generally a theme of black and red
>brimstone sign in the face
>tail is a BOMB FUSE
>striped legs like socks

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Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:44:45 No.49774803 Report

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>>49770511
Dino reminds me of the Substitue Puppet for some reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:45:46 No.49774829 Report

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>>49770638
>but your listening hats on
i almost had to read the rest until i saw that you made a spelling error. That is a sign of inferior intellect and that means you shall not be listened to by anyone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:47:05 No.49774862 Report

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>>49774750
bro it has a turd on its head and its ass is on fire, it's shit
sorry you had to find out this way

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:47:18 No.49774871 Report

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>>49767860
This 100%. At least for their base, starting forms, this is easily the best trio since Gen 4. Hope their final evos follow suit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:50:11 No.49774933 Report

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They are all boring as fuck, but I don't care since I'll box them anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:51:03 No.49774960 Report

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>>49767860
This
Legendscucks btfo

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Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:53:21 No.49775011 Report

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>>49770184
/v/ during BW starter reveals was fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:53:33 No.49775017 Report

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The random squares on the crocodile and skin-colored teeth makes it look like shit. Duck and cat are so generic I forget what they look like when I'm not looking at them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:53:59 No.49775028 Report

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>>49769149
I'd argue that Gen 5's starting trio are the worst in the series next to Gen 8's
>>49770370
Rowlet is the best
>>49770511
automatic improvement

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:54:22 No.49775039 Report

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>>49767860
actually kys

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:56:00 No.49775100 Report

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I don't like them because they're all appealing. There's no ugly one. I want the ugly one. Might get the gator though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:56:18 No.49775114 Report

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>>49770184
I thought those were whisker-holes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 22:57:02 No.49775136 Report

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>>49769271
The retard is the best one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 23:02:30 No.49775301 Report

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>>49767827
Reminder if you like any of these you are what's wrong with modern design philosophies

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 23:08:06 No.49775463 Report

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Well. We're speaking about GALARIAN starters.
Which have the worst designs since idk.

So anything with more shapes than ball head and bean body will be called a masterpiece.

I mean, more original are the 6th or 7th gen ones. All of them with a distinct form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Feb 2022 23:11:22 No.49775566 Report

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I hope the grass starter become a Grass/Fairy femenine-looking lynx thief.

We need the grass type furrybait.

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