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>>49834963
>SV will have a gimmick, guaranteed. And it probably won't be megas.
No shit sherlock. But there's still a chance that SV won't have a gimmick at all and we'll at the very least get the old ones back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 01:28:30 No.49835008 Report

Quoted By: >>49835130

>>49834963
>>49834975
Also even if it does have a gimmick that obviously doesn't rule out megas/abilities/helditems either. We may even see triples/rotation come back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 01:29:12 No.49835014 Report

Quoted By: >>49835032

>>49834975
No there isn't. Stop deluding yourself, dexit even ensures no past gimmick is likely to return, outside specific circumstances (Gen VI and VII remakes will have the Gen's gimmick but ME won't make it to Morning Sun/Evening Moon on top).

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 01:31:13 No.49835032 Report

Quoted By: >>49835145 >>49835155

>>49835014
>dexit even ensures no past gimmick is likely to return
That's not necessarily true, character customization has been in every game since the national dex was even cut despite being Gen VI's gimmick-- but that was because it got retconned. That's hardly comparable to Z-Moves and Dynamax which were explicitly made exclusive to their gen's flagship region.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 01:32:25 No.49835050 Report

Quoted By: >>49835096

>>49834928
>knowing mawile will never get an evo and if it does it will never be as cool as mega mawile
Fuck this gimmick for being a gimmick what a huge mistake it was ever making megas

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 01:37:18 No.49835096 Report

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>>49835050
? Megas were introduced in the same game the last cross-gen evo was.
Seems more like regionals are to blame if anything since they can conveniently avoid "retcons" by pretending only the newly discovered variant can evolve.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 01:40:24 No.49835123 Report

Quoted By: >>49835131 >>49835220 >>49835228

oh god, we're going to have 8 months of megafags delusional ramblings again aren't we? when will you retards realize your gimmick is gone?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 01:41:31 No.49835130 Report

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>>49835008
>rotations
I fucking wish. Rotation battles were some of the most fun I had.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 01:41:33 No.49835131 Report

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>>49835123
never

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 01:43:10 No.49835145 Report

Quoted By: >>49835154

>>49835032
>character customization is a gimmick
What are you going to say next? That abilities are a gimmick?

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Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 01:44:40 No.49835154 Report

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>>49835145
>>character customization is a gimmick
I didn't say that. You implied it since you mentioned Gen VI's gimmick which at one point it was in the same manner as Z-Moves or Dynamax.
>What are you going to say next? That abilities are a gimmick?
No?? Abilities are a staple.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 01:45:13 No.49835155 Report

Quoted By: >>49835180

>>49835032
That's because it's a feature, not a gimmick.
Put it this way, they didn't add customisation to sell more toys, but they did add mega evolution and start selling bangles for three years, before switching to Z-Rings.
Rue of thumb is if it's a flashy addition to what would otherwise be a plain old battle as portrayed in red and Green, it's a gimmick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 01:47:52 No.49835180 Report

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>>49835155
Yeah. We agree, then. GameFreak's made it pretty clear what is a gimmick and what isn't based on whether or not it's added on top of the battle system like abilities/megas or on the side as an eyecatch like the bangle gimmicks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 01:50:41 No.49835202 Report

Quoted By: >>49835213

I'd argue that even if there is no stand-out gimmick in SV, the gimmick that has continued since Alola is regional variants, and Game Freak loves them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 01:52:39 No.49835213 Report

Quoted By: >>49835259

>>49835202
I think the point is that they've made it pretty clear they intend on making arbitrary gimmicks ever since Sun and Moon. That said, it's not necessary. People just think there is definitely going to be one based on SM and SWSH having icons in their titles even though USUM and XYORAS didn't have anything equivalent to that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 01:53:39 No.49835220 Report

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>>49835123
Don't worry, even if they aren't ingen 9 there's still a year of shilling Let's Go Johto as "real" games and then 2 more of saying gen 10 will definitely bring it back!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 01:54:53 No.49835228 Report

Quoted By: >>49835927

>>49835123
>when will you retards realize your gimmick is gone?
As a megafag, I think I can speak for all of us when I say that the series it better off without gimmicks entirely. That's sort of why it's important for them to come back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 01:56:39 No.49835241 Report

Quoted By: >>49835268

>poster count rapidly falling
They are literally talking to themselves to fake a conversation and pretend there are more people coping over a 3 generation old nostalgia shilling gimmick. The desperation of the Kalos defense force is more and more impressive and at the same time depressing every time I see it.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 01:59:05 No.49835259 Report

Quoted By: >>49835290

>>49835213
>XY
Also wow the games that didn't introduce those gimmicks didn't have them in the titles, i'm shocked.
Stop being an idiot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 02:00:05 No.49835268 Report

Quoted By: >>49835310

>>49835241
>falseflagging gimmicktard things poster count falls
It's not a live metre you daft fuck. And yes, it tends to stay the same when you spend years posting your same cope in threads and then turn around to try and make everyone laugh at those who don't agree with your opinion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 02:01:30 No.49835286 Report

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>>49834928
Please no more battle gimmicks. Just put that energy into making exploration good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 02:01:41 No.49835290 Report

Quoted By: >>49835377

>>49835259
>Also wow the games that didn't introduce those gimmicks didn't have them in the titles
XY? Yeah, I don't see anything from character customization in there. That's beside the point though.
There's "old style" regional gimmicks like Gen III/IV/V/VI's but when most people talk about gimmicks they mean the nu-Pokemon variant like Z-Moves and Dynamax that are specifically written to only be used in one region for one game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 02:04:36 No.49835310 Report

Quoted By: >>49835324

>>49835268
Continuing to spam just makes you look more and more insane. You've already convinced the ~10 people dumb enough to believe your coping, everyone else just sees a desperate fan trying to protect games that can't be defended in any reasonable way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 02:06:38 No.49835324 Report

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>>49835310
>everyone else just sees a desperate fan trying to protect games that can't be defended in any reasonable way
There isn't a single poster in this thread trying to defend any of the nu-gens. Aside from your sperging, it's unanimously agreed that gimmicks were a horrible idea and are testament to how indefensible the games are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 02:13:00 No.49835377 Report

Quoted By: >>49835401 >>49835415 >>49835421

>>49835290
Ah yes, the famous one region gimmick; customization.
The point is that the original post made it out like XY didn't start the "slam your gimmick crystal into the title" trend.
Megas weren't region locked but outside of making it into a remake were treated functionally the same.

The reason why pokemon has stuck to this gimmick trend is the idea that "every pokemon game needs a pull" which has been mentioned in interviews for why following mons was stuck in purgatory for a long ass time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 02:16:39 No.49835401 Report

Quoted By: >>49835415 >>49835421 >>49835443

>>49835377
>Megas weren't region locked but outside of making it into a remake were treated functionally the same.
Well, no... Not really. Even ignoring how Z-Moves/Dynamax didn't get into Gen 7 or 8's remakes, they also by extension didn't be brought into the next gen.
Megas were reworked a lot in Gen 7, and arguably even more than regular Pokemon had been with stat and ability tweaks-- and even pretending that the mechanical side of things doesn't count, they got entirely new lore and dex slots which just wasn't a thing in Gen 6.
Keep in mind that Sun and Moon also cut the National Dex. If Mega Evolutions were treated "functionally the same" as Z-Moves and Dynamax they just wouldn't have gotten dex slots at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 02:18:30 No.49835415 Report

Quoted By: >>49835421

>>49835377
>>49835401
Don't forget that Gen 8 threw it a bone too. Megas have their own designated category alongside shinies and regional forms.
If they were really supposed to be on the same level like some people try to pretend, they would have just made a "special form" category that included all the Gigantamax and Ultra Burst forms.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 02:19:32 No.49835421 Report

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>>49835415
>>49835401
>>49835377

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Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 02:23:29 No.49835443 Report

Quoted By: >>49835464

>>49835401
SM did consider them as actual mons but my point was that it clearly wasn't considered something worthwhile expanding upon.
The gimmick ended with gen 6, gen 7 just didn't fully delete it because they probably thought "you know its kinda stupid to get rid of unique designs".
And then noticed two battle gimmicks are a cluster fuck or they were really set on dyna so out it goes; i'd actually say the latter just considering how they are in promotional material still.

I don't think megas are going to come back anytime soon and while their treatment was better; i don't think it was a case of it being considered unique; but rather they originally thought stacking battle gimmicks wouldn't be fucktarded.
And being first in line let it reap the benefits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 02:26:37 No.49835464 Report

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>>49835443
>And being first in line let it reap the benefits.

This is the real reason, it was intended to be permanent but it didn't work out so after failing to balance it they dropped it for more universal regional gimmicks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 02:31:20 No.49835491 Report

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Megas are definitely coming back sooner or later. They're too popular to get scrapped entirely. Hell, the anime still uses them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 03:12:00 No.49835790 Report

Quoted By: >>49835806

I posted this in the last mega cope thread but it was already dead, so I'll repeat it.
Every inconsistency in how megas were treated during gen 7 that "proves" that they are different from the ither gimmicks can be explained in the same way as many other strange decisions by Gamefreak: they had no idea what they were doing. The timeline of events is pretty straightforward if you look at it form a wider perspective
>getting ready for gen 6, Gamefreak wants to backtrack on 5 and shill nostalgia while also mixing up battles some
>decide to make mega evolution for mainly Kanto to shill and Hoenn to prepare for the remakes
>XY released, mega evolution is limited to mainly post-game because they aren't sure how to implement it yet
>ORAS release, with a stronger focus on megas evolution to milk the attention it got. Unfortunately the gimmick is terribly balanced in competitive and they are already struggling to keep up with demand (ex: artist's block on Flygon)
>gamefreak realizes they will never be able to keep a single gimmick balanced and also satisfy fans begging for hundreds of unique forms, decide to split the nostalgia shilling from the gimmick and restart
>starting in SM, an attempt is made to fix the existing megas, but it ultimately fails. Instead of adding new forms regionals are introduced to more fairly revive old pokemon, and Z-moves are made as a more widespread battle gimmick
>TPC and some fans have become attached to mega evolution despite its failure, leading to spinoffs being encouraged to keep it even though it is being cut back in mainline games
>by the end of gen 7 regional forms were successful enough to continue, and Z-moves have served their purpose allowing for a new battle gimmick to keep gen 8 interesting while both Z-moves and megas are left behind
There was never a grand plan for mega evolution, there was no plan past ORAS, just a halfhearted attempt to bring attention to Kanto that some fans got overly attached to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 03:13:55 No.49835806 Report

Quoted By: >>49835859

>>49835790
So why don't they just retroactively make megas like the gimmicks then? Literally all they'd need to do is categorize them with the other gimmick forms.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 03:21:10 No.49835859 Report

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>>49835806
Because Gamefreak have moved on completely from them. There is no need to reorganize or change them because from Gamefreak's perspective the fate of mega evolution was decided years ago. It was an experiment that was eventually replaced with a successful follow-up, just like Z-moves were and dynamax will be soon.
What do you want them to do, go update ORAS to remove the lore changes and say the stones came from Kalos?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 03:28:45 No.49835919 Report

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>>49834928
>Introducing...
>Gigantimax megas with z-moves!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Mar 2022 03:30:05 No.49835927 Report

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>>49835228
>All of the gimmicks suck, except for the one I like, that was the good one

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