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Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 20:42:39 No.49864827 View View Reply Original Report

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why did they specifically choose Charizard to be the "boss card" with 120HP, along with Chansey (which obviously deserves it)?

back then Charizard wasn't the face of the franchise like it is today.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 20:43:33 No.49864835 Report

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>>49864827
Charizard has always been cool and loved

Deal with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 20:44:48 No.49864839 Report

Quoted By: >>49865676

>>49864827
Needs more life because it loses 2 energy per attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 20:45:12 No.49864842 Report

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>>49864827
Every trading card game was run by dragons so they chose one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 20:48:07 No.49864869 Report

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>>49864827
They chose Charizard because one, it was on the box of Red, and two, dragons at the time were synonymous with "the most powerful card" when it came to fantasy-genre TCGs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 20:57:29 No.49864941 Report

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>>49864827
Because CHAAARRRRR!
*incinerates you*

It's a fire dragon breh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 21:35:46 No.49865155 Report

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>>49864827
Pikachu was always the face of Pokemon to parents who didn't play the games, while Charizard was always the face of Pokemon to the players. Anyone who isn't under 25 knows this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 21:48:00 No.49865251 Report

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>>49864827
>why did they specifically choose Charizard to be the "boss card"
Charizard has 120 HP because it's the highest level Pokemon in the base set, look at the info box at the bottom that indicates it's Level 76

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 22:13:15 No.49865454 Report

Quoted By: >>49865465 >>49865475 >>49865512 >>49865528 >>49865870

>>49864827
>"boss card"
its attack is terrible and requires discards. even if you're using double colorless energy to fuel the guy, you're limited to two of those per deck. blastoise was the actual best of the three starter cards, and it's actually hitmonchan that was the best base set holofoil

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 22:14:15 No.49865465 Report

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>>49865454
*limited to four of those per deck point stands

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 22:15:44 No.49865475 Report

Quoted By: >>49865512 >>49865519

>>49865454
>double colorless energy to fuel the guy, you're limited to two of those per deck.
not OP but could you explain further, I had no idea there were energy limits (or is it specially for the double colorless?)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 22:19:51 No.49865505 Report

Quoted By: >>49867138

Charizard was already the outright clear favourite by the time they started to make the TGC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 22:20:29 No.49865512 Report

Quoted By: >>49865528 >>49865538

>>49865475
Anything that isn't a basic energy has a limit of 4 per deck. Basically if it has a name you have to follow the card limit rule. But it doesn't matter because >>49865454 is stupid and doesn't realize that Double Colorless Energy only provides colorless energy, meaning it can't be used for Charizard's energy costs.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 22:21:34 No.49865519 Report

Quoted By: >>49867164

>>49865475
only basic energy cards are allowed to break the '4 copies of any card per deck' rule. double colorless energy specifically says it doesn't count as a basic energy, and therefore you can only have 4 in a deck

charizard's energy burn is the only reason DCE is even halfway useful, and even then it's such a waste of DCE... then fossil muk was printed and anyone insane enough to still think they can make base charizard usable gave up

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 22:22:35 No.49865528 Report

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>>49865512
>But it doesn't matter because >>49865454 (You) is stupid and doesn't realize that Double Colorless Energy only provides colorless energy, meaning it can't be used for Charizard's energy costs.
you're illiterate

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 22:23:45 No.49865538 Report

Quoted By: >>49865567

>>49865512
Read his poke power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 22:28:31 No.49865567 Report

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>>49865538
he can't, he's illiterate

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 22:44:11 No.49865676 Report

Quoted By: >>49865717 >>49865743 >>49866031

>>49864839
This.
I feel like the card was just "popular" because of big numbers, but people failed to actually read it. I'm sure, with the limited card pool at the time, it was a great beater, but could be dealt with rather easily by any of the Pokemon that required less energy to attack and still dealt 50-60 each turn.
WAS Charizard even used in the meta at the time? Are there any historical decks that used him?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 22:50:04 No.49865717 Report

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>>49865676
>WAS Charizard even used in the meta at the time?
no
>Are there any historical decks that used him?
no. his attack is too expensive and slow, and there's no clever trick you can pull to make energy burn help any other attacker in your deck.

no, 120 HP isn't nothing, and a fighting resistance is helpful, but you still have to evolve him to get him out there. anyone considering charizard for any purpose would've found scyther was doing the same job significantly faster and way more energy-efficient

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 22:52:51 No.49865743 Report

Quoted By: >>49867162

>>49865676
>I feel like the card was just "popular" because of big numbers, but people failed to actually read it.
To be honest, most people knew fuck all about how the game was actually payed. Most fans just collected them because it was Pokemon and the art looked cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 23:09:03 No.49865870 Report

Quoted By: >>49867246

>>49865454
>even if you're using double colorless energy to fuel the guy
This is actually not really worthwhile. Double colorless energy is (1) energy card that provides two energy. You have to discard (2) energy cards to use the attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 23:22:29 No.49865984 Report

Quoted By: >>49867138

>>49864827
Boy its amazing how EX cards completely destroyed evolved pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 23:25:17 No.49866018 Report

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>>49864827
He's a big ass dragon that breathes fire, what the fuck do you think, genius

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 23:27:02 No.49866031 Report

Quoted By: >>49866151

>>49865676
we were little kids, dude.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Mar 2022 23:39:00 No.49866151 Report

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>>49866031
Yeah I know, I still have mine and I cherish it. But I didn't play the game at the time either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Mar 2022 00:57:52 No.49866826 Report

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>both card generals are still dead
RIP

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Mar 2022 01:34:07 No.49867138 Report

Quoted By: >>49867188

>>49865505
this can't be true, because they started to make the TCG before the game was even released

(tcg development starts Nov 1995, red/green release Feb 1996, tcg releases Oct 1996)

>>49865984
the original ex era was very well balanced, power creep didn't really start until gen 4, and then exploded in SM + SwSh

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Mar 2022 01:37:05 No.49867162 Report

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>>49865743
I think the TCG game is just too slow and boring for kids.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Mar 2022 01:37:27 No.49867164 Report

Quoted By: >>49867204 >>49867246

>>49865519
>charizard's energy burn is the only reason DCE is even halfway useful, and even then it's such a waste of DCE...

you have that backwards. DCE is the reason charizard is even usable. DCE is useful without charizard, for scyther/retreat costs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Mar 2022 01:40:49 No.49867188 Report

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>>49867138
>this can't be true, because they started to make the TCG before the game was even released
>(tcg development starts Nov 1995, red/green release Feb 1996, tcg releases Oct 1996)
When did the game start development and release, HUH?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Mar 2022 01:42:50 No.49867204 Report

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>>49867164
How does DCE make Charizard useable, exactly? If you attach 2 to meet the 4 energy requirement, you'd have to discard both.
It would help somewhat, but you still need to attach 2 more energy every time you use the attack (or 1 more DCE, which will probably be discarded and then you'd need more)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Mar 2022 01:43:04 No.49867208 Report

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>>49864827
Why is that upsetting you? the worst part is that fire spin (a low BP attack) is the name of its 100 HP attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Mar 2022 01:49:07 No.49867246 Report

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>>49865870
>>49865870
Yeah. I know. If you have 2 fire energy attached;
T1: Fire+Fire + attach DCE, discard both Fire energy
T2: DCE + attach DCE, discard both DCE
T3: attach DCE, can't attack
T4: DCE + attack DCE, attack and discard both DCE

You would get to use Fire Spin four times in four turns. You'd have to set your deck up around being able to ensure you can set that one trick pony up, to grab maybe 3, more likely 1-2 prizes and then not really have enough room in your deck for a coherent response to the rest of the haymaker meta.

>>49867164
Yeah I misspoke

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Mar 2022 03:58:26 No.49868058 Report

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>>49864827
>Charizard wasn't the face of the franchise like it is today.
They knew what was cool and that Charizard was cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Mar 2022 06:54:53 No.49869013 Report

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>>49864827
>back then Charizard wasn't the face of the franchise like it is today
holy shit zoomer yes it was

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Mar 2022 07:21:25 No.49869123 Report

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>>49864827
short answer:
it looks like a dragon
dragons badass

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Mar 2022 12:33:15 No.49870386 Report

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Anonymous Mon 07 Mar 2022 12:50:43 No.49870488 Report

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>>49864827
Pretty sure his hp is only 120 because his card power was garbage compared to blastoise and venusaur.
He could shit out 100 dmg but not consistently due to energy cost, meanwhile blastoise sets up an entire bench of water pokemon in a single turn and venasaur can transfer energy cards between whatever is active and in the bench

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Mar 2022 16:06:43 No.49871833 Report

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>>49864827
>wasn't the face of the franchise
>was literally on the box of the first games ever released

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