>>49939107ok YOU try to use ivysaur in smash, his moves are rarely worth getting over his poor agility to land and his spammable projectile isn't even that spammable, not to mention he's barely heavier then squirtle which means not only are you dealing with a essentially a light character you don't have nearly enough agility or power to make up for it
charizard sucks in most situations but cleans up well with flare blitz and smash attacks that kill at high percentage, something squirtle can't manage
