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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 03:39:09 No.49962459 View View Reply Original Report

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Why the fuck Pokemon anime didnt have different MC for different Season?

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R͟a͟j͟e͟s͟h͟ Fri 18 Mar 2022 03:40:32 No.49962467 Report

Quoted By: >>49964078 >>49964552 >>49967110 >>49970913

Because Ash is the only interesting character

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 03:42:00 No.49962478 Report

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>>49962459
Digimon and Yugioh did it and see what happened to them. The anime managed to stay relevant because Ash was kept as the main character. If they had changed him after let's say Johto, everyone would have dropped it and not bother with the new season.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 03:45:10 No.49962496 Report

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>>49962478
Did people not drop it after johto??

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 03:45:13 No.49962497 Report

Quoted By: >>49962575 >>49962599 >>49967139 >>49971961

>>49962478
>Muh Yugioh
>Muh Digimon
>What is Jojo
Yugioh is fine, the problem is that the game changed for the worse
People like MC of newer season just as must as OG season (Except Yuya because just that guy)

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 03:53:34 No.49962553 Report

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>>49962478
Yugioh was dropped because the game play mechanic suck
Digimon never really made it from the start, it was too extreme
its like a indie movie that gained a cult following over time
Kids got confused that a cute blob will turn into an angel

In Pokemon the star will always be the mons not Ash
Feature the mons as cool and shoen as possible and it will be successful
Just like what happen in Gen 4 and 6

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 03:59:25 No.49962575 Report

Quoted By: >>49962638

>>49962497
But I'm not talking about the game which btw was ok till 2013-14. The og season of Yugioh was quite popular but after it ended and they moved to GX, most people stopped watching it. Jojo is different. Each part doesn't have 200 hundred episodes and aimed at little kids that will drop it once they grow older unless the protagonist remains the same.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 04:03:30 No.49962596 Report

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>>49962459
BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T DITCH PIKACHU

That's the real answer. Just that and nothing else. They couldn't use a different character for each gen because they needed to keep pikachu around, and replacing him with a pikachu clone or even a different pikachu each time was out of the question.

So Ash absolutely had to stay. It was non negotiable. There will never be an episode of the main series without him because he and that specific pikachu are a package deal, as obviously him giving it away is also out of the question.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 04:03:56 No.49962599 Report

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>>49962497
Jojo is overrated shit, and not even the same genre of anime

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 04:05:14 No.49962608 Report

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>>49962596
Thet could have forced all male protags to get a pikachu, problem solved

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 04:09:13 No.49962633 Report

Quoted By: >>49962651 >>49966743

>>49962459
because then they would have to create a new protagonist that differs from ash personality-wise enough in a way that justifies not just keeping Ash
plus kids get attached to certain characters so if they knew every main character would just fuck off after the region it would harder to do so

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 04:10:24 No.49962638 Report

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>>49962575
>most people stopped watching it
You mean only the west, right?

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 04:12:56 No.49962651 Report

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>>49962633
And now they need to find any reason to force Ash to keep continue adventure, that also mean to stagnating his personality,reset his gain or shift his personality too hard

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 04:13:15 No.49962652 Report

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>>49962608
Even if they moved on from Red(anime version) to Gold, Brendan, Lucas, Hilbert, etc. and gave every single one of them a pikachu, it wouldn't be the same pikachu. So they'd have to start over with a different characterization for this new pikachu undermining the effort of making pikachu as charming and adorable as possible. No more ketchup love, no more impressions, all the gags and defining moments would be split up between what would essentially be a bunch of different characters that look the same that they'd be forced to differentiate between. It wouldn't work well.

I wish they had been willing to run that risk early on and see what happened trying to sell a new anime mascot pikaclone with each new gen, but it would have been a huge unnecessary risk. They made the logical choice keeping Ash/Pikachu

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 04:18:26 No.49962679 Report

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>>49962652
Its short sighted
They cant even shilling the new product, as people will always try to compare with old one, which GF try they hardest to by culling the old pokemon and hyping the one

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 04:20:23 No.49962689 Report

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>>49962596
wow great, so now instead of having multiple iconic pokemon theres only one
way to go retardmon company

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 04:22:33 No.49962699 Report

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>>49962652
I think it's funny how much more consistent Pikachu's characterization has been compared to Ash, even if he too has been largely dumbed down over time.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 04:25:40 No.49962719 Report

Quoted By: >>49962738

>>49962478
>The anime managed to stay relevant

the vast majority of people dropped it after KANTOOOOOOOO tho

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 04:29:20 No.49962738 Report

Quoted By: >>49962762

>>49962719
New generations of kids are watching it, I think

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 04:34:15 No.49962762 Report

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>>49962738
Kid watch this?

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 04:35:56 No.49962772 Report

Quoted By: >>49964099 >>49964161 >>49964461 >>49964486

>>49962478
>Ashfags genuinely believe the success of the anime is tied to trAsh, and not just Pokemon being a juggernaut
If anything Pikachu is more important

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 06:35:00 No.49963390 Report

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>>49962478
Lol what? People loved GX and to a lesser extent 5DS. Also Digimon Tamers was the best Digimon anime imo

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 06:40:37 No.49963409 Report

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>>49962459
Because ash is way better than them, those guys are just mean to be (you)

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 08:02:03 No.49963665 Report

Quoted By: >>49964045

>>49962478
This. Japan is really autistic about changing main characters, look at Goku. They have fucking autistic breakdowns if their MC is changed whatsoever.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 08:33:52 No.49963787 Report

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>>49962496
You should lurk more here, and see those ashnime schizoslosing their minds

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 09:35:14 No.49964045 Report

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>>49963665
>autistic breakdowns if their MC is changed whatsoever.
You mean the west, right?
They seem fine with Yugioh, Naruto, Jojo etc ... etc ...
The reason why Goku still MC because Gohan failed as MC
Hell, one of biggest example to switch MC midgame is DQ5

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 09:44:15 No.49964078 Report

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>>49962467
Fuck no

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 09:45:16 No.49964080 Report

Quoted By: >>49965677

>>49962459
Because of Pikachu, sadly

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 09:48:55 No.49964099 Report

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>>49962772
This

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 10:04:56 No.49964161 Report

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>>49962772
This

I'd argue that Pokemon would work best on a 'rotating protagonist' model, with each season's new inexperienced trainer character becoming the next season's practiced trainer companion, with perhaps a final season where they play wise Mentor before their retirement. Passing Pikachu to the new guy could be a 'passing the torch' moment.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 10:17:12 No.49964222 Report

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>>49962762
You watched it once upon a time, didn't you?

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 10:21:48 No.49964239 Report

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It will never fail to boggle my mind how 20-something manchildren always insist they know more about things than the creators of the long-running anime series that's funded TV Tokyo's yearly in-house productions since the turn of the millennium from selling it to the world, just because they can't handle the kiddy franchise making a kiddy anime to advertise their kiddy series. Much less how they ignore the MC duo in the anime is one of the world's most-recognised double-acts to cry they need to be replaced with a MC that reflects themselves.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 11:01:09 No.49964436 Report

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>>49962478
Keep Ash, introduce the male player characters as second protagonists.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 11:06:39 No.49964461 Report

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>>49962772
This, I wish they could just slide a Pikachu in their team or some shit, fucking tired of Ash

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 11:11:26 No.49964486 Report

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>>49962772
Nobody gives a fuck about Ash, most people watch it to watch their favorite Pokemon be in animated form.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 11:23:26 No.49964542 Report

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>>49962596
This. The first episode of Journeys was about Pikachu with barely any ash content. He's the mc not ash.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 11:24:44 No.49964552 Report

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>>49962467
It's Pikachu's World/Show and Ash is just living in it.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 14:51:07 No.49965677 Report

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>>49964080
This

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 14:59:05 No.49965726 Report

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>>49962596
There is an episode of Journeys where both Ash and Pikachu are completely absent tho

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 17:36:52 No.49966719 Report

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>>49962478
Anon the anime has been literally unwatchable since Johto.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 17:39:19 No.49966743 Report

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>>49962633
>plus kids get attached to certain characters
The entire reason the Pokemon anime is the way it is is to facilitate a rotating audience. Children age out of it and are replaced by younger children. There is no "getting attached" because a kid is too old for Pokemon after 1 or 2 years

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 18:16:21 No.49967110 Report

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>>49962467
Ash is just a stock shonen protagonist watered down to make the same demographic that watches fucking Paw Patrol feel at home. You could've replaced him with anyone on that list and nothing about the show would change, but at that point it's too late because he's the most recognizable human in the entire franchise.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 18:21:23 No.49967139 Report

Quoted By: >>49968710

>>49962497
This, plus 5Ds is even regarded as better than DM. I'm pretty sure Digimon got a season fans think is better than the first anime too.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 18:24:03 No.49967159 Report

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>>49962478
>the Pokemon anime
>still relevant

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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 21:45:33 No.49968710 Report

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>>49967139
Now I'm just picturing an era of the Pokemon anime as kino as 5D's if they moved on from Assh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 23:44:44 No.49969614 Report

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>>49962478
Doesn't seem to have helped the Pokemon anime has been dying every year.

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 02:48:44 No.49970913 Report

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>>49962467
Ash is a fucking dogshit protagonist

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 06:00:47 No.49971841 Report

Quoted By: >>49971854 >>49971862 >>49971863

>>49962459
The real question is what would've happened if they had insert Hilda as the female companion instead of Irys.

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 06:05:49 No.49971854 Report

Quoted By: >>49971972

>>49971841
Hilda's fanart quality would have took a nosedive with shitty Ash x Hilda art.

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 06:07:50 No.49971862 Report

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>>49971841
Bad take, but she would be great as a first female rival.
I'm not joking when I say I can't remember who the rival from BW was. I just remember the Snivy pouding Pikachu.

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 06:07:54 No.49971863 Report

Quoted By: >>49971870

>>49971841
Instead of smug and derisive you'd have bossy, tough and overprotective. Follows Ash to keep him out of trouble and she'd still treat Ash like a kid. Hilda would have been like Brock meets Misty/Iris with occasional vague /ss/ undertones when Ash managed to impress her.

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 06:10:25 No.49971870 Report

Quoted By: >>49971968

>>49971863
What would be her goal tough? She looks like a trainer or a contester and after May and Dawn, ugh.
Maybe a researcher? Female Rival?

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 06:19:51 No.49971901 Report

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>>49962459
Because Ash and Pikachu quickly cemented themselves as one of the most iconic duos in all of recent culture ever since the Pokemon anime started.
Dropping Ash means dropping Pikachu unless you give the new protag a Pikachu too, but at that point, you'll have the executives asking "why not keeping using Ash?" because it saves time, money, casting and effort.
It's clear they want to sideline Ash nowadays though but still keep Pikachu, just look at what Journeys is doing: Ash's character goal is a B-Story to Go on his Gotta Catch 'Em All Spree, but they still make sure to give Pikachu all the screentime necessary as the franchise mascot.

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 06:34:01 No.49971961 Report

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>>49962497
>Except Yuya
B-but I thought the Highway Star fight was cool, anon..

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 06:37:04 No.49971968 Report

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>>49971870
Female rival that doesn't take Ash very seriously at first and sees herself as more of a big sis/coach. Tells Ash a little about each gym. Full on rival by the end of that gen. Goal is to become the strongest in Unova and then travel the world amd witness how people and pokemon live together in distant lands. Something like that.

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 06:37:27 No.49971972 Report

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>>49971854
This

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 06:47:45 No.49972003 Report

Quoted By: >>49972011

>>49962459
They'd have to come up with different personalities for every one, or else it would become surreal how they're all clones in different bodies. But then you'd have personalities that are strange and unfitting for a self-insert generic adventurer Pokemon protagonist, like with the Adventures manga.

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 06:50:54 No.49972011 Report

Quoted By: >>49972098

>>49972003
Sounds good, honestly. Don't like bland flavorless self insert MCs. That's part of why I liked Ash more early on.

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 07:17:56 No.49972098 Report

Quoted By: >>49972120

>>49972011
I like it too, but "typecasting" the protagonists would be an iffy idea. Unless you make brand new protagonists, but OP had me assume they'd be based off the game protagonists like Ash with Red. People want to be able to project their personalities or headcanons on the protags, and that gets harder to do when they have unique personalities.

Also, it'd probably be a pain to come up with new character arcs and motivations every season, and have to think about how to develop that and a closed story instead of just focusing on the episodic pokemon of the day shenanigans. But there's no excuse for that if it wasn't just a mindless toy commercial machine, writers have been doing this for their series for ages. And Japanese toy commercial series like Kamen rider do it all the time.

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 07:22:57 No.49972120 Report

Quoted By: >>49972169

>>49972098
For example, when I look at Lucas, I see a suave and smart guy, confident and active while also a bit hipster and metro. but apparently in Adventures he's some lazy glutton? What? (I haven't read much of adventures).
If the anime gave such unexpected traits to the protags it would surely annoy much of the fanbase. So they'd have to make new characters altogether, but "anime-original" characters tend to be pretty lame.

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 07:39:38 No.49972169 Report

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>>49972120
I could roll with it. Not like I've ever seen Ash and Red as similar characters with the same personality and mannerisms. If I can make a distinction there I can accept them making anime chicken sassy and smart, or Hilda a starry eyed film director. Especially if they did it like Ash and used a different name and slightly different appearance. I'd just want the characters to have their own charm and style of humor in that case, rather than needing my headcanon honored

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 09:58:30 No.49972506 Report

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>>49962459
Lack of closure in Ash's story and people not liking change. Case in point, the massive drop when Brock left.

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