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Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 23:50:00 No.49969661 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>49970348 >>49970443 >>49970530 >>49970854 >>49971004 >>49971696 >>49972296 >>49974060 >>49975868 >>49977641 >>49979107 >>49981059

why couldn't we have gotten this instead?
they took one of the best generations and remade it in the worst

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 23:51:55 No.49969674 Report

Quoted By: >>49970331 >>49970362 >>49970403 >>49970512

>why couldn't we have gotten ORAS but with even shittier graphics and less features?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Mar 2022 23:53:06 No.49969682 Report

Quoted By: >>49970210

I wonder what Dream World interactivity would be like in a gen 5 Hoenn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 00:57:32 No.49970210 Report

Quoted By: >>49970265

>>49969682
I never got to use Dream World when it was around. What was it like?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 01:04:47 No.49970265 Report

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>>49970210
You weren't missing much. Basically a collection of minigames that give you exclusive pokemon and berries.
It was also dumb that they limited usage of it to once per day

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 01:05:28 No.49970270 Report

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Which game is that puke green grass from?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 01:13:13 No.49970331 Report

Quoted By: >>49970407

>>49969674
They probably would've copy pasted the PWT and Black Tower/White Treehollow in addition to the Battle Subway, which would be better than the Battle Maison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 01:15:32 No.49970348 Report

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>>49969661
I love that part where you can see down into that acro bike area from the regular path. That's good level design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 01:17:28 No.49970362 Report

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>>49969674
>muh GRAFIX
(You) are the reason Porkyman is in the miserable state it is in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 01:24:46 No.49970403 Report

Quoted By: >>49970407

>>49969674
good 2d graphics are better than bad 3d graphics

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 01:25:41 No.49970407 Report

Quoted By: >>49970422 >>49973519

>>49970331
>which would be better than the Battle Maison.
No it wouldn't.

>>49970403
OP's graphics are 3D you dumbfuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 01:27:53 No.49970422 Report

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>>49970407
how do you know?
have you the actual models?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 01:30:34 No.49970443 Report

Quoted By: >>49970652 >>49973519 >>49974049

>>49969661
This is so close to the original map that you might as well just play Emerald on Dual Slot mode. WHAT is even the purpose of remaking Gen 3 and doing it 99% the same as it was before. This is why Let's Go is such a weird fucking game. And why ORAS is somewhat interesting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 01:42:31 No.49970512 Report

Quoted By: >>49970517

>>49969674
>The Battle Frontier Project Has Started!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 01:43:51 No.49970517 Report

Quoted By: >>49970586 >>49980086

>>49970512
and putting it in gen 5 would magically put the battle frontier into the game? are you retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 01:47:35 No.49970530 Report

Quoted By: >>49970599 >>49970635 >>49970689 >>49970989

>>49969661
So what is the best way to make a remake? Remakes with new stuff shoved into the story like ORAS or faithful remakes with new stuff in optional areas like BDSP?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 01:56:32 No.49970586 Report

Quoted By: >>49970664

>>49970517
Yes, because GF actually added all the features in the Gen 4 remakes. Now slit your fat wrists you obese cumguzzling nigger faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 01:58:12 No.49970599 Report

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>>49970530
A remake is an opportunity to change the past for the better, the definitive version, iron out everything and make sure it's the best version, change what needs to change, keep what is super essential, and most important keep it to the current game's level at least. HGSS came close, ORAS and LGPE as well, although in a different way, the perfect Pokemon remake is yet to be done, but if I had to say between both, ORAS is closer to what I would want for a Pokemon remake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 02:05:09 No.49970635 Report

Quoted By: >>49977695 >>49977736

>>49970530
>FireRed/LeafGreen
went overboard and kept necessary "new" content (evolutions specifically) away from the player during the main game: sucked massively
inserted new plotlines and areas into the main story that weren't in the original: was alright, neither good nor bad
>Heart Gold / Soul Silver
made zero changes to main story difficulty from the original: sucked massively
made zero changes to mon distribution from the original: sucked massively
had zero Pokemon from beyond Johto inserted into the region (during main story): good
brand-new plotlines (Celebi event) inserted into postgame: very good
new facilities added into the region: very good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 02:08:10 No.49970652 Report

Quoted By: >>49970659 >>49971169

>>49970443
the point of a remake is to add quality of life features like balance retuning, mon distribution, graphics updates, battle facilities, questlines, and so on that only add to the content of the originals *without* becoming something fundamentally or distinctly different from them

they should strive to be as faithful as possible while ramping up the quality

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 02:10:04 No.49970659 Report

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>>49970652
bro that's why patches exist. either as official software updates or as romhack updates. you just want to spend money for dopamine hits

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 02:10:39 No.49970664 Report

Quoted By: >>49973157

>>49970586
>Yes, because GF actually added all the features in the Gen 4 remakes
They added features in the Gen 6 remakes too you dumbfuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 02:15:54 No.49970689 Report

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>>49970530
Copy the exact same game and add new content, QoL shit, features and make everything prettier
I wanted to finish the battle frontier with an expanded dex + physical/special split. Instead, all I received was a shitty ugly port with a shitty bonus fetch quest
Don't even get me started about BDSP, that game only exists for retards that don't know how to pirate or emulate. 100% worthless and objectively the worst game in the franchise. Faithful remakes are a good thing for other franchises, not for pokeshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 02:41:09 No.49970854 Report

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>>49969661
Just wait for gen 5 decomps

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 02:54:10 No.49970971 Report

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I wish OR/AS had Emerald's features, bros...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 02:56:19 No.49970989 Report

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>>49970530
Would rather the BDSP approach but taking elements from the third version mainly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 02:59:08 No.49971004 Report

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>>49969661
Unovan graphics don't fit other regions, the gen5 sinnoh project looks so ugly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 03:28:54 No.49971169 Report

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>>49970652
The point of remakes in any media franchise is to cash gouge old IP. They don't have to pander to any of the shit you've listed here when everyone still guys their product.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 05:33:35 No.49971696 Report

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>>49969661
Those buildings look horrible though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 08:26:31 No.49972296 Report

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>>49969661
It's weird how ORAS Mallville has so much stuff when in Gen3 it's not really portrayed as a massive city or anything. Would have been more interesting to move most of the added stuff to Lilycove

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 09:39:36 No.49972450 Report

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>they took one of the best generations and remade it in the worst

Lol, ORAS are the best remakes in the sense that they improved the most over the original. Soulless Mauville is really the only bad thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 13:14:52 No.49973157 Report

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>>49970664
I raped your whore mother and bashed her fat skull in you dumbfuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 14:43:41 No.49973519 Report

Quoted By: >>49974060 >>49975361

>>49970443
mauville is cool in oras and i like not needing fly among a lot of minor changes but a lot of the stuff added is either really embarrassing anime shit or just worsens the source material
like the entirety of zinnia serves no other purpose than to uproot the plot and insert a completely different subplot to shoehorn in mega rayquaza existing, which is disappointing since a new character/story tweaks could have been done well if megas weren't a gimmick forced on the game
>>49970407
i absolutely love these replies about 2d vs 3d because the poster knows what they meant and literally every reader including you knows what they meant but you choose to argue pointless semantics instead of actually engage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 16:15:08 No.49974049 Report

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>>49970443
Change for the sake of change is misguided. Changing things should only improve the game, not damage it.

ORAS has several good inclusions, as well as PSS from XY, but it also fucks up on things that its original did just fine.
>forced hand holding/teleports
>stuffed with flowery dialogue
>no BF
>free Latios/Latias halfway through the game
>actively simplifies dungeons and routes like Granite Cave
HGSS or at least FRLG should be the minimum standard for a quality remake

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 16:17:09 No.49974060 Report

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>>49969661
That looks horrid.
>>49973519
He is objectively right, OP's graphics are 3D and they look awful.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 19:10:00 No.49975244 Report

Quoted By: >>49975653 >>49975667 >>49975671 >>49975815

Or we could've had this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 19:27:03 No.49975361 Report

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>>49973519
>because the poster knows what they meant
They meant "3D but in game I like"? Why not just say you like 3D then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 20:06:02 No.49975653 Report

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>>49975244
Much better, honestly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 20:07:29 No.49975667 Report

Quoted By: >>49976704

>>49975244
ORAS but uglier?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 20:08:09 No.49975671 Report

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>>49975244
>Your region will never get the HGSS treatment

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 20:35:58 No.49975815 Report

Quoted By: >>49976679 >>49976695

>>49975244
We could've... But you do realize how much people would've complained about it being unnecessary back in the day right. Since, y'know, GBA slot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 20:48:28 No.49975868 Report

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>>49969661
>they took one of the best generations and remade it in the worst
It got remade in Gen 6 though which was a good base, just a shitty game.
BDSP and LGPE are examples of good games getting remade in shitty generations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 22:54:37 No.49976679 Report

Quoted By: >>49976738

>>49975815
what? literally the first remake was on a system that could also play its original
that's never been on anyone's mind

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 22:58:06 No.49976695 Report

Quoted By: >>49976738

>>49975815
Nobody would've thought this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 22:59:23 No.49976704 Report

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>>49975667
to each his own, I guess. I love the gen 4 style and think this is nice

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Mar 2022 23:02:08 No.49976738 Report

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>>49976679
>>49976695
Fair points, I guess I'm just scarred after seeing complaints things like the M&L Bowser's Inside Story and Strange Journey Redux got on 3DS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Mar 2022 01:18:17 No.49977641 Report

Quoted By: >>49977668

>>49969661
If hoenn was remade in gen 5 before 3D, fairy type, megas, etc, but also including the gen 5 QoL, they would have been the best games hands down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Mar 2022 01:21:58 No.49977668 Report

Quoted By: >>49977674 >>49977676

>>49977641
>if hoenn was remade to be ruby and sapphire but with worse graphics, they would have been the best games hands down

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Mar 2022 01:22:48 No.49977674 Report

Quoted By: >>49977702 >>49980101

>>49977668
>Gen 5 had worse graphics than Gen 3
Interesting take

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Mar 2022 01:22:57 No.49977676 Report

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>>49977668
don't you get bored?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Mar 2022 01:25:48 No.49977695 Report

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>>49970635
Hate to be a pedantic fuck but HGSS added the Safari Zone and an entirely new route leading to it that allowed you to get a few Johto Pokemon early like Misdreavus (who you previously couldn't access until Mt. Silver)
I think you may have been able to get a few others from the safari zone itself too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Mar 2022 01:26:58 No.49977702 Report

Quoted By: >>49977736

>>49977674
gen 3 didn't have blown up backsprites doing awful tweening along with out of place 3D so....yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Mar 2022 01:27:38 No.49977706 Report

Quoted By: >>49977714

ORAS might be the worst generation to remake the game in from a map design standpoint, the 3DS's loading problems meant a seamless overworld like Hoenn would have never worked. For a basic gameplay standpoint I dunno, we can blame Gen 6 all we want but there's the question of if they would have done anything that differently otherwise. What ORAS does do is take advantage of Gen 6's fantastic online elements and makes them even better, while also expanding on the idea put forward with Gen 3's connectivity ideas. It even has some elements that will survive the inevitable death of the 3DS online, like Secret Base QR codes and StreetPass in general. As somebody who really liked Secret Bases as a kid, I loved what they did with the system personally and it almost vindicates ORAS for me. I'd still probably just want to play Emerald most of the time, but I'd rather pick up my copy of Omega Ruby over X so at least they gave me a good Gen 6 game at the end of the day. It could be worse, what the fuck does BDSP do over Platinum other than not playing like molasses? I mean I'd rather just play more HGSS at the end of the day but the fact that there hasn't been a Sinnoh game I actually like is a bit unfortunate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Mar 2022 01:29:01 No.49977714 Report

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>>49977706
secret bases were kino as hell, they were the number 1 thing I was looking forward to in BDSP and they were utterly gutted, I'm still mad about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Mar 2022 01:31:52 No.49977736 Report

Quoted By: >>49979111

>>49977702
At least Gen 5's overworld art style isn't complete ass, no amount of graphical improvement can fix a bad art style choice. Although, FRLG looks fine, if you're counting that as part of Gen 3.
>>49970635
>made zero changes to main story difficulty from the original: sucked massively
There were changes, but a lot of it wasn't super noticeable. It's no Emerald in that regard.
>made zero changes to mon distribution from the original: sucked massively
Wrong but I get why you'd think that, using Primo is an exercise in "wait you can do that".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Mar 2022 05:15:39 No.49979107 Report

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>>49969661
makes the most adventurous route in the series look small and cramped. the DS' half assed 3D doesnt fucking fly and ruins any immersion since the sizes of things arent abstracted.
full 3D on the other hand, not that they've been any better with it so far, would destroy the level design in a remake of an older game so it couldnt replace it but might be interesting enough to actually be worth buying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Mar 2022 05:16:08 No.49979111 Report

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>>49977736
>At least Gen 5's overworld art style isn't complete ass
It is though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Mar 2022 10:23:11 No.49980086 Report

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>>49970517
Considering they removed the BF in gen 5 and never brought it back, no.

A gen 5 ORAS would not have had a BF either, maybe the PWT at best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Mar 2022 10:32:46 No.49980101 Report

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>>49977674
gen 5 sprites are ugly, gen 4 sprites are much better

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Mar 2022 15:05:40 No.49981059 Report

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>>49969661
They should remake it in the style of colosseum. Would double dip in gen 3 nostalgia and still be better looking than PLA & SV.

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