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Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 15:06:46 No.49988416 View View Reply Original Report

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How do I refute this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 15:07:40 No.49988422 Report

Quoted By: >>49988455 >>49988597 >>49988747 >>49989449

>>49988416
>USUM
No. Hell, it didn't even fix most of the problems base SM had, let alone bring back any of the cut content or features that were removed from the previous gens.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 15:08:15 No.49988428 Report

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Milo maw, merrily marvelous!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 15:08:56 No.49988429 Report

Quoted By: >>49988603

>>49988416
Both practices are dumb and GF should be encouraged, at gunpoint, to make their games enjoyable and worthwhile at launch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 15:11:05 No.49988445 Report

Quoted By: >>49988686

I mean, it's kind of a strawman. No one thinks releasing a third version isn't exploitataivve, and at best it's only a modest improvement to do the same thing via DLC, which I suppose reduces Game Freak to a slightly higher level of scumminess than the average video game corpo rather than notably worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 15:12:58 No.49988455 Report

Quoted By: >>49988474

>>49988422
This. and to add on to it, the DLC had the same issue as USUM where it didn't address or fix any of the main problems SWSH had.
It didn't expand the wild area to branch into Turffield or Hulbury, didn't add any sort of NG+ like BW2 did, didn't elaborate on Rose's retardation, didn't fix the game itself being just a rehash of SM, didn't give you the chance to rematch Hammerlocke gym with an actual gym puzzle this time instead of a teleport and throwaway area... Didn't even explain why Eternatus randomly decided to wake up at the same time the Ultimate Weapon fired.
Sure, the DLC was enjoyable enough compared to the base experience, but it didn't really fix Sword and Shield like it needed to be-- again, just like Ultra Sun and Moon didn't fix Sun and Moon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 15:15:46 No.49988474 Report

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>>49988455
>The DLC didn't make SS into what my headcanon wanted it to be
You don't understand what a DLC is. Also Selling solutions isn't a good thing. It's better to just move on instead of forcing people to buy and play the game twice to fix some guy's mustache hairs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 15:39:52 No.49988597 Report

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>>49988422
Stockholm syndrome

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 15:40:55 No.49988603 Report

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>>49988429
The only answer

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 15:49:43 No.49988644 Report

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>>49988416
This is retarded, no one here praises the practice of releasing third versions, but they’re well liked cause they’re literally just better versions of the originals with additional content sold for the same price as the originals. Literally all you would have to do is either only buy the third version or sell your copy of the original version and then buy the third version. I don’t hate DLC since I unironically think the SwSh DLC had enough content to justify its existence when looked at in a vacuum, even if the base games certainly had way too little content initially but I can easily under why someone might prefer the practice of third versions since for the DLC you literally NEED to buy both the base game, and then the DLC

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 15:54:07 No.49988667 Report

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>>49988416
Third version content should be dlc. SWSH dlc was good the only problem was the base game was so fucking terrible without it it sucked to have pay additional money on top of full console game price to experience it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 15:54:48 No.49988671 Report

Quoted By: >>49988713

>>49988416
battle frontier was a new addition and something they probably didn't think of during RS development or probably couldn't implement at the time, like Yellow's following Pokemon
they also updated the story to be more cohesive and freed some version exclusives of the base games (although they also removed some, which makes it less definitive).
it's more accurate to say Pokemon is held back by the 2 version conventional formula when they'd rather just release a singular comprehensive game

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 15:56:30 No.49988686 Report

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>>49988445
I've seen more than handful of people condemn GF switching from third versions to DLC, wishing for the former to come back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 15:57:37 No.49988690 Report

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>>49988416
not being a faggot probably helps, OP

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 15:58:04 No.49988692 Report

Quoted By: >>49989411

>>49988416
the good thing about third versions is you can just wait for the final product to be released and buy it for the prize of a normal game. DLC will always be more expensive because you are forced to buy the main game first

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 15:58:47 No.49988697 Report

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>>49988416
>top and bottom are both the same game
Why bother

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 16:01:34 No.49988713 Report

Quoted By: >>49988792

>>49988671
The third versions always took away exclusives from both games, so you could you needed the first two versions to complete the Pokedex regardless (i.e. Ekans can only be caught in Red and Meowth can only be caught in Blue despite Yellow adding both Scyther and Pincer).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 16:05:49 No.49988738 Report

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>>49988416
Guess what fuckhead, it was bad when they did it during the golden age too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 16:06:07 No.49988740 Report

Quoted By: >>49989062

>>49988416
It feels weird seeing zoomers too stupid to understand they couldn't update a fucking gameboy/ds game

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 16:07:49 No.49988747 Report

Quoted By: >>49988756

>>49988422
So did you make the OP to set up your own spam or do you just sit and wait for any chance to push the discord-approved agenda?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 16:09:25 No.49988756 Report

Quoted By: >>49988784 >>49988819

>>49988747
>defending USUM and SWSH
>calling other people Discord agenda pushers
???

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 16:14:00 No.49988784 Report

Quoted By: >>49989022

>>49988756
Nice try but everyone knows the discord only pushes XY and vehemently shits on the better gens in an attempt to uphold it.

It's too late to change the narrative now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 16:15:08 No.49988792 Report

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>>49988713
Or you could just have friends.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 16:18:52 No.49988813 Report

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>>49988416
Ignoring the morality of business practices, the practice of a third version allows you to pay normal price for a complete game, while DLC makes it only possible to pay extra for a complete game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 16:20:08 No.49988819 Report

Quoted By: >>49988903

>>49988756
Okay, go ahead and list SM's "problems and cut content", then once it's the same as always you can explain how you ended up with the exact same objectively incorrect list the discorders made.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 16:33:11 No.49988903 Report

Quoted By: >>49988982

>>49988819
>Tons of unused areas that would have been interesting to explore, like the golf course, outer area of the Lake of the Sunne, Wela Volcano Park
>Alola's gym system was cut during the debugging phase and left 8 of those jarring empty lots, USUM doesn't even care to try and implement those gyms and make it a part of the lore and instead does shit like the photo club and repetitive mantine surf. Resulting in never really get to have real fights with the trial captains aside from the throwaway ones they already had as "sidequests"
>Game itself is just hot garbage, doesn't have any of the structural elements that every Pokemon game had prior to that time like dungeons or the agency to actually explore the world
>Mohn being the catalyst for the story to begin with is just handwaved so as to avoid changing the status quo, which USUM was even worse at by making it so Lillie doesn't leave.
>Most of the areas that are added in USUM amount to literal hallways, be it your choice of Ultra Megahallway or dimly load roadway.
>Base SM didn't even include the National Dex and USUM didn't care to add it in either which in retrospect is obvious why since they had already made the decision they wanted to cut Pokemon in the games and went through with it for LGPE
>Festival Plaza in general
>The game runs like hot garbage compared to Gen 6 which was on the same hardware and already ran like shit too
>No convenient method for training EVs or resetting them after we went a generation that actually got that right
>Kanto pandering up the ass
>Movement in general is very sluggish and feels like one of those Triple A movie games rather than a Pokemon game
>Alolan forms only given to Kanto Pokemon (again, obvious since they made them so they could cut Pokemon in LGPE to begin with)
The list goes on, but none of this even matters because USUM could have easily been one game or DLC and you already decided you're going to dismiss this without any critical thought.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 16:43:40 No.49988973 Report

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>wait a year
>buy bottom for $40
Vs
>wait a year
>buy top for $60 base + $30 dlc + $20 a year for your goytendo online membership

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 16:45:28 No.49988982 Report

Quoted By: >>49989015

>>49988903
>dungeons
>agency
>linearity
>national dex
>framerate
>EV training
>Kanto pandering
Well would you look at that, it's the discord list attempting to hide behind some extra words.
I'm sure that's just a coincidence, right?

Richard Hammond

Richard Hammond Mon 21 Mar 2022 16:46:34 No.49988989 Report

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>>49988416
Much rather have dlc than a third version

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 16:50:22 No.49989015 Report

Quoted By: >>49989022

>>49988982
Sure, anon. I'm sure any criticism you don't like is from the Discord and not you just trying to deflect from the Discord's favorite games next to SWSH.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 16:50:55 No.49989022 Report

Quoted By: >>49989043

>>49989015
Refer to
>>49988784

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 16:52:41 No.49989036 Report

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All genwar posts are low attention span discord shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 16:53:22 No.49989043 Report

Quoted By: >>49989086

>>49989022
and you refer to the fact that anyone trying to say, in any manner of speaking, that Sword and Shield was "one of the better gens" is either literal discordshitter or baiting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 16:57:04 No.49989062 Report

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>>49988740
Too many Tide pods

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:00:08 No.49989079 Report

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>>49988416
What sucks about third versions is that if you're going for Dex completion they're even worse than just having one of the paired versions.
>If you only have Diamond, all you need to complete the Dex is a friend with Pearl.
>If you only have Platinum, you need friends with both Diamond AND Pearl.
It's a fun enough concept, but in a way it's like getting a LESS complete product

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:00:59 No.49989086 Report

Quoted By: >>49989197 >>49989262

>>49989043
Let's pretend for a minute that you really aren't a discorder. How did a rational adult play the games and see the same list of problems as a group of teenagers who haven't played them, despite the games themselves having evidence to disprove many of the claims in the list?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:17:44 No.49989197 Report

Quoted By: >>49989211 >>49989212 >>49989227 >>49989230 >>49989250

>>49989086
>despite the games themselves having evidence to disprove many of the claims in the list?
Playing the games would only prove those criticisms right. You dismissing them and saying that others are the ones part of your group, which we now know are apparently teenagers, does not make the arguments against the nu-gens disappear.
Like it or hate it, XY marked the start of a drastic decline in the series quality. That didn't magically disappear with Gen 7 or 8, otherwise XY would just be (rightfully) considered shitty games.
It took until PLA to get an uptick in this trend, and that's just a fact.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:19:51 No.49989211 Report

Quoted By: >>49989226 >>49989262 >>49989294 >>49989735

>>49989197
>That didn't magically disappear with Gen 7 or 8
I don't know, seems like it's gotten better to me.

Are you going to keep hiding your same Discord list behind more words or will you actually just leave the thread like every time someone dismisses your posts filled with lies?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:19:58 No.49989212 Report

Quoted By: >>49989262

>>49989197
>It took until PLA to get an uptick in this trend, and that's just a fact.
rumao. nice try, here's your (You)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:21:53 No.49989226 Report

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>>49989211
>these games with more overall handholding and cutscenes now have less because I just compared one

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:21:54 No.49989227 Report

Quoted By: >>49989262

>>49989197
>It took until PLA to get an uptick in this trend
Curious that you say this, since it's a game made by the USUM director and most of the games by them alongside the SM and SWSH directors have been passable at worst.

Meanwhile Masuda is consistently shitting out garbage, as proven by BW and XY. PLA is good because like SM and USUM it actually tried to do something different with the formula, rather than blatantly rehash and reskin KANTOOOO like everything before Gen 7.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:22:16 No.49989230 Report

Quoted By: >>49989262

>>49989197
>playing the games would prove those right
Lol

>linearity
>dungeons
>agency
Just look at the map
>national dex
Present through Bank
>framerate
SM perform better than XY on the better 3DS models
>EV training
SOS battles allow you to grind many of the same wild mons quickly
>Kanto pandering
Existed in XY, Sinnoh, Job to, and others depending on how you define it. SM at least have the excuse of being anniversary games that celebrate other regions too
Now that that is out of the way, wluld you like to keep pretending you didn't lose this a long time ago or do you want to go make a new thread now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:24:15 No.49989249 Report

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>>49988416
Gamefreak stopped the practice after USUUMO specifically because the soibois freaked out that they dared return to the third version format.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:24:22 No.49989250 Report

Quoted By: >>49989259 >>49989262

>>49989197
>Playing the games would only prove those criticisms right.
Not really since half of them are just lies and the other half are irrelevant.

Not to mention you gave yourself as a Discorder away the moment you threw in buzzwords like "agency", "dungeons", and "national dex" as argument against Alola when you literally just have to play the games to see why the Discord list is wrong.

>It took until PLA to get an uptick in this trend

Except PLA was made by the USUM director, which is obvious given how similar they are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:25:35 No.49989255 Report

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>How do I refute this?
Why would you willingly want to get into an argument about videogames with nu-nerds?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:26:01 No.49989259 Report

Quoted By: >>49989293

>>49989250
>criteria XY lacks in are irrelevant

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:26:41 No.49989262 Report

Quoted By: >>49989274 >>49989284 >>49989581

>>49989211
>>49989212
>>49989227
>>49989230
>>49989250
Very interesting how the whole group gets to spamming with the same argument, referencing and deflecting the same criticisms against the nugens, and claiming someone else is the Discord raider when they get called out for being teenagers.
I guess we can figure that little tidbit was right, since you gave it away yourselves in this post >>49989086

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:27:50 No.49989271 Report

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People who mass reply don't get to call anyone else a discord raider.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:28:13 No.49989274 Report

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>>49989262
Correct. You gave it away when you called attention to it. Not to mention you mass replied to people expecting a response, proving you're the real raider.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:29:33 No.49989284 Report

Quoted By: >>49989747

>>49989262
It's far too late to change the narrative now, you just keep giving yourself away.

If you really want to "critique" USUM or Swoosh, you could try playing them. Sure would give you a better argument than spamming the same list in every thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:31:11 No.49989293 Report

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>>49989259
Right but the whole Discord agenda is to prove that XY does have those things, despite it actually being the first to do a dex cut by removing in-game transfers and restricting the natdex itself to Bank.

They're just desperate to pin it on Gen 7 because they didn't give them new entries, when again, Gen 6 was the one that normalized putting it in Bank.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:31:31 No.49989294 Report

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>>49989211
8 generations and 25 years later and we can finally skip tutorials? wow, galar really is based after all

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:32:20 No.49989295 Report

Quoted By: >>49989325

>ITT: alolasites and unovabortions seething
XY and Swoosh will always be the best games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:35:54 No.49989325 Report

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>>49989295
This, but switch unovachads and swishsissies

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Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:42:04 No.49989360 Report

Quoted By: >>49989455 >>49989552

Okay, I'm a mostly video game illiterate retard. With DLC is the content already on the disc or cart and you just pay to unlock it when they say its okay, or is it like a completely new program/file or whatever that they worked on seperately and added to it? Idk if that makes sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:48:14 No.49989397 Report

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>>49988416
Waitfags always bought the full version at least, good for them

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:50:02 No.49989411 Report

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>>49988692
This, but consoomers gotta consoome

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:53:56 No.49989441 Report

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It's the exact same shit, but without having to replay the same game again but with a few changed things and a new story line.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:55:25 No.49989449 Report

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>>49988422
fpbp, alolabortion OP seething immediately

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 17:56:26 No.49989455 Report

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>>49989360
Depends on the company. Capcom is infamous for locking content in their games, with DLC just being an "unlock code" with a few extra changes. Most recently, Devil May Cry 5 had Vergil 90% playable, but held him back to release an entirely new game with him. Marvel vs Capcom 3 also had 2 characters that were 100% playable on-disc, but couldn't be accessed without DLC or 3rd-party tampering.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 18:07:02 No.49989552 Report

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>>49989360
>you just pay to unlock it
that would be shareware

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 18:10:17 No.49989581 Report

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>>49989262
>you pointed out that I lied and I can't come up with an excuse so you MUST be the real raider!
Thai will never work because you will kake another thread tomorrow and repeat the exact same list and still be wrong. Even if you really just can't play the games to see why your misinformation is wrong you can find all of the proof you need online. If you look it up and still can't understand the only explanation is unwillingness or inability to accept reality over your coping.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 18:28:19 No.49989735 Report

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>>49989211
>posting that shitty meme image
Funny how you can start catching pokemon sooner in BW2 than on SWSH.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 18:29:44 No.49989747 Report

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>>49989284
>game has very notable negatives
>people point them out
>"Gotcha! That argument has been said before, therefore it's invalid!!!"
Kill yourself, those games are shit and you shitposters pretending they aren't, are even worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 18:50:08 No.49989888 Report

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>>49988416
The thing about 3rd versions is they modify the base game and I do think pokemon games are better with a 3rd version (most of the time).
Swsh e.g. really needed the 3rd version or at least change the story with the dlc, by making it postgame only.
Regardless of that I didn't found the dlc's that good. Yes Crown Tundra legendary hunting quest was fucking fun as fuck. But Armor island is boring and general open world pokemon is kinda boring. I found myself just running past every pokemon I saw.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 19:08:24 No.49990023 Report

Quoted By: >>49990061 >>49990514

How do I refute this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 19:11:32 No.49990046 Report

Quoted By: >>49990211

>>49988416
You didn't need to buy the first game to be able to buy the third version. The DLC requires you to buy the base game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 19:14:20 No.49990061 Report

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>>49990023
Sword and Shield are worth every bit of that $455

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 19:39:01 No.49990211 Report

Quoted By: >>49990326

>>49990046
That model only benefits people who don't actually like Pokemon and grooms them to be THAT loser on the playground who feels good that he missed the hype.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 19:54:24 No.49990326 Report

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>>49990211
NTA but i don’t think anyone is saying it’s a good practice, but fact is, in a vacuum, there’s nothing wrong with releasing an improved version of a game with additional content 2ish years after the initial games released for the same price, precisely because it’s functionally its own purchase, you don’t need to buy the first version to get it. Plenty of game companies due this all the fucking time, hell, it happens with movies too.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 20:19:06 No.49990514 Report

Quoted By: >>49991263

>>49988416
>>49990023

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Mar 2022 21:58:56 No.49991263 Report

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>>49990514
>sometime after 2012
Feelsguy is from 2010. Soijack is from 2017. This makes no sense.

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