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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 22:29:18 No.50039505 View View Reply Original Report

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>other older Fairy types like Azumarill, Gardevoir and Clefable are great
>Wiggs is giga dogshit

How do we save her? Balance changes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 22:31:43 No.50039518 Report

Quoted By: >>50041936

>>50039505
Dexcut the Wigglytuff family and make CHARIZARD part-Fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 22:32:38 No.50039525 Report

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>>50039505
Use an Eviolite+Hidden Ability in its pre-evolution.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 22:36:17 No.50039547 Report

Quoted By: >>50039632

I suspect the intention with Wigglytuff was probably to be a midground between Chansey and Clefable but it ended up worse than both. I think they've been trying to rescue her since they buffed her Sp. Atk in Gen 2 and gave her the same Sp. Atk buff as Clefable along with the Fairy type in Gen 6. Unfortunately this has only made Wigglytuff a worse Clefable. Needs either a great new Ability or a statistical rethink. Equally she's more popular than Clefable and Chansey so maybe that's it's own victory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 22:37:25 No.50039553 Report

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>>50039505
You know, I don't really care if Wiggly is bad. Wigglytuff is cool anyway.

buff anyway please

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 22:38:53 No.50039562 Report

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>match BST to Clefable (+48)
>make it a wall by rearranging stats?
I think this could be a way to make it better but also separate from Clefable. Could become a decent ghost type check.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 22:40:42 No.50039578 Report

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make it a sweeper/disruptor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 22:40:45 No.50039581 Report

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>>50039505
Even in RBY Clefable had better stats while they have more or less the same movepool, and in RBY NU Clefable is considered useable while Wigglytuff generally isn't, and afterward they never shared a tier again

Wigglytuff has bad to mediocre abilities, no instant recovery, bad defensive stats, bad/mediocre attacking stats, is slow, bad typing, no good STABs

there is literally nothing it has other than its HP going for it, and is prime'd otherwise in every way for failure

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 22:48:26 No.50039632 Report

Quoted By: >>50039661 >>50039888

>>50039547
>Equally she's more popular than Clefable and Chansey
false; Jigglypuff is but not Wigglytuff

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 22:53:48 No.50039661 Report

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>>50039632
Jigglypuff was one of the biggest shillmons, what happened?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 23:16:59 No.50039816 Report

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>>50039505
Give Wiggly a Punk Rock equivalent

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 23:25:29 No.50039888 Report

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>>50039632
Jigglypuff is more popular than all of them, but Wigglytuff is almost certainly more popular than Clefable and Chansey by proxy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 23:27:21 No.50039904 Report

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>>50039505
Dex cut

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 02:33:11 No.50041198 Report

Quoted By: >>50041769 >>50044114

>>50039505
>+25 HP
>new held item "Microphone": raises accuracy of Sing to 100% while held by Jig/Wig
>new signature move "Balloon Barrage": Fairy-type Water Spout variant
>new hidden ability "Expand": literally identical to Disguise but based on Wiggs puffing up

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 02:40:19 No.50041237 Report

Quoted By: >>50044495

I'm not expert or anything but I THINK a +100 buff to both special attack and speed MIGHT make her a bit better. Thoughts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 04:07:26 No.50041752 Report

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>>50039505
>Her

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 04:10:02 No.50041769 Report

Quoted By: >>50044114

>>50041198
Microphone should buff all sound moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 04:11:51 No.50041778 Report

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>>50039505
yoom-tah you're way through every situation

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 04:13:41 No.50041785 Report

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It's got huge hp but no defenses. Buff the defenses and it could be fine, maybe add a good ability like a punk rock clone or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 04:14:44 No.50041792 Report

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Explosion.

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 04:40:21 No.50041936 Report

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>>50039518
Just because it appeals to faggots doesn't make it a fairy type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 04:42:44 No.50041947 Report

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>>50039505
give it aftermath so at least when it gets inevitably KOd it does something almost useful

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 06:12:52 No.50042384 Report

Quoted By: >>50044723

+34 Defense and Sp. Defense, putting it at the same BST as Clefable. This gives it a stat spread of 140/79/74/85/84/45, which isn't terrible. Additionally, replace Frisk with Maestro, a new ability that increases the accuracy and power of sound moves by 20%, and give it access to Defog and Boomburst. This gives it a Boomburst that's got an effective 252 base power, a 75% accurate Sing, and one of the highest yield Wishes in the game, with only Alomomola having a Wish that heals more. Technically Chansey and Blissey heal more but that's a Gen 3 event move that isn't legal in official formats.

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 12:39:27 No.50043924 Report

Quoted By: >>50043932 >>50044730

>evolution line with a Normal/Fairy baby introduced a generation late, second stage is a sphere, final stage is an oval with rabbit ears and 420-ish BST
It's a pink Azumarill and should get a SpA variatn of Huge Power, which wouldn't be far off from what Competitive was going for either
>every other dex entry is about its fur
Alternatively, with its huge HP, give it Fur Coat/Fluffy to make it like Chansey/Blissey

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 12:42:45 No.50043932 Report

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>>50043924
A special Huge Power would be overkill, but regular Huge Power would fit just fine.

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 12:53:07 No.50043964 Report

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>>50039505
Should have ability that makes sound moves always hit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 13:25:14 No.50044114 Report

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>>50041198
>>50041769
buff all sound moves and make Sing target all adjacent foes at 80% per pokemon

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 14:53:54 No.50044495 Report

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>>50041237
RU at best in gen 8

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 15:00:17 No.50044527 Report

Quoted By: >>50044596

>>50039505
give that fucking guy like 20 points in each defense and give it magic bounce and you have yourself a new supremo trick room support

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 15:03:43 No.50044546 Report

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>>50039505
wigglytussy

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 15:13:27 No.50044596 Report

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>>50044527
definitive answer

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 15:18:00 No.50044624 Report

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>>50039505
I don't know, but at least Wiggs is a top tier in unite, I'm happy that it has its chance to shine even if it is in a shitty chink spinoff

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 15:36:23 No.50044723 Report

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>>50042384
there's no real reason why it'd be slower than Blissey

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 15:37:24 No.50044730 Report

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>>50043924
>It's a pink Azumarill and should get a SpA variatn of Huge Power
not true and also not how it works

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