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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:33:09 No.50067662 View View Reply Original Report

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Why was Unova such a drop in quality compared to past regions? This is an outline of the path you take throughout the games. Outside of some storyline backtracking for the Light/Dark Stone, you literally just travel in a straight line throughout the entire game. And pretty much every region since Unova has followed the same trend.

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:34:54 No.50067675 Report

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>>50067662
Doesn’t Unova have a bunch of side areas you can explore that aren’t related to the story?

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:38:06 No.50067697 Report

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>>50067662
why is backtracking good?

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:38:39 No.50067702 Report

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Wtf guys I hate Unova now

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:39:33 No.50067707 Report

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>>50067675
no

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:39:40 No.50067709 Report

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>>50067662
Do they let you use phones in class now or are you still in spring break?

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:40:22 No.50067714 Report

Quoted By: >>50067725 >>50067767 >>50067852 >>50067963

Well, it's simple really.

Start of theme park regions with no identity
Start of no backtracking because we can't have the players figuring things out on their own
Start of funnelling the player through a straight line campaign for the same reason as above
Start of story focused campaign over adventure focus because zoomers need everything explained to them at face value
Start of excessive handholding because nip kids complained about Mt. Coronet and missable Strength HM
Start of linear region because being presented with more than one option breaks zoomers' brains
Start of 3 Pokémon Gym teams and 4 Pokémon E4 teams because the older games were too hard
Start of the removal of HMs because zoomers can't handle team management and need everything babied for them in the form of """QOL"""
Start of the removal of postgame because kids didn't play past the Champion
Start of dialogue and cutscenes in every town and route because zoomers need constant stimulation otherwise they get bored

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:41:19 No.50067725 Report

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>>50067714
Why do you keep saying zoomers? Kids who started with XY are gen alpha

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:42:48 No.50067739 Report

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>>50067725
I'm 18 and started with SoulSilver.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:43:26 No.50067745 Report

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>>50067675
Several

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:44:55 No.50067755 Report

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>>50067662
>constant backtracking is good
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:45:55 No.50067767 Report

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>>50067714
>Start of theme park regions
I heard this meme, explain
>with no identity
???

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:47:54 No.50067774 Report

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>>50067767
People think havimg a desert in the region makes it had because its "unnatural". Instead everything across almost the entire region should look the same like in Sinnoh or Kanto

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:48:24 No.50067777 Report

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>>50067662
>Sinnoh is a fucking HM mess.

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:50:31 No.50067791 Report

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>>50067697
>>50067755
>thinking interconnected maps and encouraging the player to navigate/explore is a bad thing
Backtracking is good when you have new abilities that allow you to take new paths. For instance, you have to backtrack to Mauville after Petalburg Gym, but you can now use Surf to either take the shortcut above Oldale or explore the routes surrounding Dewford and stumble across the Abandoned Ship. In Unova, you only ever go forwards. It's impossible to get lost and the game just becomes boring.

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:53:37 No.50067814 Report

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>>50067791
>you have to backtrack to Mauville after Petalburg Gym
so there's no point of backtracking, you just fly there and it's open new route

>explore the routes surrounding Dewford and stumble across the Abandoned Ship
that's not backtracking

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:58:14 No.50067847 Report

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>>50067791
>Impossible the get lost
Of course it is, they give you a fucking map you knuckle scraper there's no way to get lost in any of these games. Not saying linearity is great either but blocking off parts of the game with various HMs doesn't make it less linear, it just makes for less new and interesting scenery along the way

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:59:14 No.50067852 Report

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>>>50067714

Oh yeah. "QOL" ewww. Grinding and shitty programming GOD.

People just want to go back to the original games.

Not Special/Physical difference among attacks, just types.

Special Defense and Attack being the same stat, making some trash pokémon broken.

No steel or Dark type, Psychic regin.

Broken moves like Focus Energy that don't work at all.

No abillities just 150 species.

#151? what's that? Just a urban legend of course.

Yeah sure LET'S GO BACK TO THE CLASSICS.

Exp Share? What's that, train your pokémon having a LV 50 starter and all of your team at LV 10. Surely grinding like a fucking slave makes the game a lot more enjoyable.

Bitch.

>Pokémon was never hard just unpolished af.

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:59:30 No.50067854 Report

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>>50067791
>you have to backtrack to Mauville after Petalburg Gym
so there's no point of backtracking, you just go there and it's open new route

>explore the routes surrounding Dewford and stumble across the Abandoned Ship
that's not backtracking

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 18:59:53 No.50067859 Report

Quoted By: >>50067887

>>50067662
Sinnoh is exactly as linear as unova in that it's full of roadblocks and it doesn't let you do anything out of order except one time when it lets you go to pastoria before going to the warehouse in veilstone city. The only difference is that you need to use fly a lot because the map itself is not linear, only the adventure.
At the end of the day they both play the same way and only discord raiders bring that up as a so called difference between the two games.

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 19:02:23 No.50067882 Report

Quoted By: >>50067893

>>50067852
>anyone who criticises unova is a genwunner
Take your meds, now. None of what you said affected me because I don't care about Gen 1.

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 19:03:04 No.50067887 Report

Quoted By: >>50067915

>>50067814
>so there's no point of backtracking, you just fly there and it's open new route
You can't Fly before Fortree Gym, so you're forced to think about how you can get to your next destination. And Hoenn is actually designed so that you rarely need to actually use Fly. The only time it's "mandatory" is to reach Slateport Harbour when the evil Team steal the Submarine, and you can technically use that as an opportunity to visit Pacifidlog if you really wanted to.

>that's not backtracking
That's sort of my point, when the game forces you to revisit old areas, you can do so by exploring completely new routes.

>>50067859
Sinnoh is a step down from Hoenn, although it's still miles better than Unova.

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 19:04:10 No.50067893 Report

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>>50067882

Oh okay then let's talk about how Sinnoh is a HM park and you can't have a full team because you NEED a hm slave.

But of course QOL changes are BAAAAAD grinding and backtracking are GOOOOOOOD.

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 19:09:30 No.50067913 Report

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>>50067893
BDSP let you use HMs with the Poketch. Alternatively, spread the HMs across your entire party and use the move deleter to remove the ones you don't need anymore.

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 19:09:54 No.50067915 Report

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>>50067887
>that's not backtracking
That's sort of my point
so you agree backtracking means nothing

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 19:15:25 No.50067947 Report

Quoted By: >>50068296

>>50067915
Backtracking means navigation, so no it is not pointless. There's a reason why Metroidvanias are so popular. There's also a reason why Dark Souls 1's world design is considered far superior to Dark Souls 3's.

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 19:15:59 No.50067952 Report

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>>50067662
It was another reboot for a new generation of kids, tailored to their tastes. They like more streamlined titles, unlike the kids who grew up with Gen 3 and 4.

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 19:18:39 No.50067961 Report

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>>50067767
>>50067774
It means the region is not organic. The presence of varied environments does not make a region a theme park, notice that Hoenn is also very diverse and nobody calls it that, because it all naturally fits for a tropical region.

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 19:18:46 No.50067963 Report

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>>50067714
>Start of theme park regions with no identity
>Start of no backtracking because we can't have the players figuring things out on their own
>Start of funnelling the player through a straight line campaign for the same reason as above
>Start of story focused campaign over adventure focus because zoomers need everything explained to them at face value
>Start of excessive handholding because nip kids complained about Mt. Coronet and missable Strength HM
>Start of linear region because being presented with more than one option breaks zoomers' brains
All of these start with SM.
>Start of 3 Pokémon Gym teams and 4 Pokémon E4 teams because the older games were too hard
>Start of the removal of HMs because zoomers can't handle team management and need everything babied for them in the form of """QOL"""
There is nothing wrong with either of these. Gen 5's difficulty was just fine and it was just XY that executed the "3 per trainer" poorly given that those games were already piss easy.
>Start of the removal of postgame because kids didn't play past the Champion
>Start of dialogue and cutscenes in every town and route because zoomers need constant stimulation otherwise they get bored
Still SM.

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 19:19:21 No.50067970 Report

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>>50067913
>BDSP

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 19:29:23 No.50068014 Report

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I dunno about you guys but I backtracked plenty of times in BW.
>going back to Nacrene City to revive the fossil
>going back to Route 6 after getting surf to reach Mistralton Cave
>also going back to Pinwheel Forest to explore the rest of it and Catch Virizion
>exploring the lower floors of Wellspring Cave.
just off the top of my head. there's also areas like Lostlorn Forest and the Moor of Iccirus.

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 20:19:18 No.50068296 Report

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>>50067947
You still fail to proof why do they matter.

>>50067961
we're on vp, every region is called names by all those genwars
I agree desert next to biggest city is inorganic, I really didn't like it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 20:28:26 No.50068340 Report

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>>50067675
Yes, more than any game before or after it.

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Anonymous Thu 31 Mar 2022 23:32:41 No.50069635 Report

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>>50067662
>Why was Unova such a drop in quality compared to past regions?

>They stopped designing Pokemon how they used to, leading to an ugly dex most people disliked

>They abandoned precedents in terms of powerscaling and introduced an immense amount of powercreep that further harmed earlier mediocre to bad mons' viability and set the precedent for even more inane and unrestricted power creep to follow

>The story took a good theme, exploitation and even straight up use of Pokemon being ethically questionable, and slathered it in a badly executed intrusive, nonsensical, and ultimately generic story/plot that falls on its face trying to get you to care

>Dropped the ball on key music themes like wild battle, trainer battle, rival battle, and champion battle, and added the EXTREMELY OBNOXIOUS and intrusive low HP battle theme

>Too little postgame (in BW)

>Questionable character design that somehow felt off

>Abandoning Japan for the region's setting

>Theme park settings and linear region

>Unsightly sprite animation with extremely boring idle poses and almost no personality---almost none have the effort Kyurem-Black does in terms of personality; also constant zooming in and on for battle animations that ate up time

>Awful rollout of Hidden Abilities, introducing nigh broken ones that further disturbed game balance, while making them annoying to get and not even properly releasing all of them in the gen

>Crappy lore, none of the legendaries are interesting or compelling, at least compared to the preceding gens

To a large portion of the fanbase, Gen V was a disaster on multiple fronts. BW2 can be commended for adding PWT, very effortful graphical presentation in the overworld, and maybe some other points, it's still plagued by the issues with / flaws in BW.

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Anonymous Fri 01 Apr 2022 00:10:32 No.50069860 Report

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>>50068340
No it doesn't. Hoenn has stuff like Shoal Cave and Abandoned Ship. Sinnoh has Fuego Ironworks and Iron Island. What does Unova have? If you include post-champion routes/towns then Platinum also had that and GSC/HGSS have the entire of Kanto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Apr 2022 00:26:30 No.50069949 Report

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>>50067675
Yes, OP is intentionally being disingenuous to paint Unova in a bad light. There are plenty of areas to go off-track on like with the Pinwheel Forest training grounds, the route on the right of Nimbasa City (which leads to Lostlorn Forest), Desert Resort before you even required to, Iccirus Moor, etc. You can also backtrack and explore new areas at your own leisure like with the water routes next to Route 1, the WellSpring Cave, the cave near Driftveil City, etc. OP's problem is that he wants the game to force him to do all those things or otherwise, it's bad.

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Anonymous Fri 01 Apr 2022 00:30:29 No.50069972 Report

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>>50069949
I find anti-Unova bots to be just as dishonest and obnoxious as Unovaborts. Anyone agree here?

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Anonymous Fri 01 Apr 2022 00:32:06 No.50069985 Report

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>>50067662
I am still not buying Sword and Shield

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Anonymous Fri 01 Apr 2022 02:25:56 No.50070781 Report

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>>50067662
It was an overreaction to kids getting filtered by Mt. Coronet.

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Anonymous Fri 01 Apr 2022 02:28:11 No.50070792 Report

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>>50069949

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Anonymous Fri 01 Apr 2022 02:51:14 No.50070939 Report

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>>50070792

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Anonymous Fri 01 Apr 2022 02:55:57 No.50070966 Report

Quoted By: >>50070987

>>50069949
You can literally do stuff like this in past games too. The difference is that the rest of the region isn't a straight line.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Apr 2022 02:58:46 No.50070987 Report

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>>50070966
>You can literally do stuff like this in past games too.
Never argued against that. The point is that what OP said was not entirely true.
>Outside of some storyline backtracking for the Light/Dark Stone, you literally just travel in a straight line throughout the entire game.
Implying you can't explore anything else in the region during the main campaign.

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