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Ilex Forest

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 19:21:52 No.50374928 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>50374951 >>50374955 >>50375011 >>50375015 >>50375180 >>50375440 >>50376072 >>50376088 >>50378562 >>50378868 >>50382167

Why is Ilex Forest so boring & forgettable, & how can we improve it?

Besides restoring the Celebi quest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 19:23:56 No.50374951 Report

Quoted By: >>50375014

>>50374928
>Why is Ilex Forest so boring & forgettable
Because J*hto is a badly designed region and none of it is memorable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 19:24:08 No.50374955 Report

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>>50374928
>Celebi quest
Not even available to most people legit, but the 3ds ports had it natively which was cool

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 19:27:30 No.50374986 Report

Quoted By: >>50375518 >>50382392

>Darker hue even during daytime hours to reinforce the thickness of the forest
>This is where Azalea town gets its firewood from
>Also where you unlock Headbutt
>Celebi's Shrine

Far from forgettable to me...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 19:30:32 No.50375011 Report

Quoted By: >>50378562

>>50374928
>Why is Ilex Forest so boring & forgettable
There's no actual exploration or dungeon-crawling involved, half of the forest is dedicated to the shitty Farfetch'd puzzle and the other path's almost a complete straight line, with the only detour being the Headbutt guy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 19:30:49 No.50375014 Report

Quoted By: >>50375025

>>50374951
Yeah, just like every city in H*enn. Only it could fumble one of the more interesting ideas for the location of a city in Sootopolis by having nothing substantial there

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 19:30:51 No.50375015 Report

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>>50374928
>boring & forgettable
It's the most interesting forest for Farfetch's quest alone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 19:31:46 No.50375025 Report

Quoted By: >>50375046

>>50375014
>deflecting to the 4th most badly designed region (after J*hto, Unova & Sinnoh)
Cope Johtofag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 19:34:09 No.50375046 Report

Quoted By: >>50375105 >>50375115

>>50375025
>Dislikes both Unova AND Hoenn
who tf are you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 19:40:52 No.50375105 Report

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>>50375046
Discord

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 19:41:41 No.50375115 Report

Quoted By: >>50375593 >>50381643

>>50375046
I like non-confusing region design without being boring. Unova was the wrong way to go about it because it still had too many TMs and was a literal circle. Thankfully Kalos was an improvement and especially Alola. Wild areas and removing random encounters in Galar was also great. Kanto was okay for when it came out but it's archaic and Let's Go has the best version of it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 19:47:15 No.50375173 Report

Quoted By: >>50375394 >>50375468 >>50375606 >>50381710 >>50382154

Retard nitpicking the best region with the most memorable locations.
>Comfy tileset unique to the location
>Farfetch'd sidequest
>Shrine stands out yet fits in so well, elludes a sense of mystery in GS and is expanded on in C/HGSS
>Perma night adds to the feeling
>No trainers except the one in Crystal, who is completely optional, makes the forest feel isolated and the journey through it peaceful
>Only other person here is the strange Headbutt guy
>If you actually paid attention to the dialogue you'd know this is where the residents of Azalea Town gets their firewood from
This is one of the best locations in the entirety of the franchise dumbass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 19:47:50 No.50375180 Report

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>>50374928
I remember it. You have to chase around that farfetch'd in there and that's where celibi is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 20:10:51 No.50375394 Report

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>>50375173
I'd also add
>wild encounters without tall grass
To the list as a trait that makes it feel like such a remote forest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 20:15:18 No.50375440 Report

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>>50374928
Remove the little trees

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 20:17:50 No.50375468 Report

Quoted By: >>50375519

>>50375173
What is with johtofags and listing out a bunch of word vomit as if it were a compelling argument? They always do this.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 20:24:12 No.50375518 Report

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literally my favorite location

>>50374986
based

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 20:24:15 No.50375519 Report

Quoted By: >>50375573 >>50378745

>>50375468
>What's with Johtofags and giving in-depth rebuttals every time someone gives a half-assed nitpick about Johto games
stick to crying about the level curve

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 20:27:28 No.50375553 Report

Quoted By: >>50375615

max comfy

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 20:28:36 No.50375564 Report

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Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 20:29:50 No.50375573 Report

Quoted By: >>50375584 >>50375606 >>50382164

>>50375519
It's a legitimate argument and has yet to be properly addressed, unlike the superficial bullshit you listed which Egoraptor would call "theme park shit". But, you know, maybe the late game will finally be actually playable when Let's Go Togepi comes out

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 20:31:23 No.50375584 Report

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>>50375573
They're not making another Let's Go game or revisiting Johto.
Let's Go was a one-off experimental title to try and get GO kids to buy a Switch and the core games, and revisiting Johto requires them to put in twice the effort because they also have to include Kanto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 20:32:23 No.50375593 Report

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>>50375115
>unova
>too many “TMs” (I am assuming you meant to say HMs)
b8

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Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 20:34:48 No.50375606 Report

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>>50375573
what exactly do you take issue with what was said by >>50375173 ?
It does have a nice atmosphere and is a well designed place. Unique perma night feature, there is land and even a little pond/swamp like thing. It is where headbutt is introduced as a field move, which I like as a concept. You have interaction with an overworld Pokemon, which I would like to see more in the games. And there is plenty of implied story and mystery like the shrine and the firewood thing.
I think those are some valid points.

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Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 20:36:01 No.50375615 Report

Quoted By: >>50375649 >>50378769

>>50375553
At least integer scale these images so they don't look like total shit on a modern device. Why are Johtofags so incompetent?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 20:40:43 No.50375649 Report

Quoted By: >>50375653

>>50375615
>irrelevant statement + meaningless insult + can't zoom in the browser
t. techilliterate unovabort

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 20:41:08 No.50375653 Report

Quoted By: >>50375683

>>50375649
>zoom in
>looks like blurred shit
you're so stupid it hurts, not a bort btw

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 20:44:27 No.50375683 Report

Quoted By: >>50375692

>>50375653
>calling people incompetent but can't even zoom properly
>not a bort btw
t. unovabort

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 20:45:24 No.50375692 Report

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>>50375683
>still doesn't get it
cope johbort

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 20:47:05 No.50375706 Report

Quoted By: >>50375820 >>50376130

>Boring and forgettable
I love Ilex Forest
>Dark palette like it's night
>Farfetch'd event where you corner it
>Cut is a bigger deal than Flash
>The mysterious shrine
>GS Ball Celebi event
>The guy who gives Headbutt which makes a ton of special Pokémon available and is distinctly Johto
>The Spiky-eared Pichu event
>The time travel event with Celebi

Also, has anyone ever been able to imagine the weather in Johto's towns? I've always imagined Route 33 and Azalea Town to be overcast, not particularly bright since they're seated between three dark dungeons. Meanwhile, I see Route 34, Goldenrod City, Route 35, and National Park as bright and sunny.

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Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 20:50:18 No.50375729 Report

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Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 21:00:20 No.50375820 Report

Quoted By: >>50375951

>>50375706
Azalea certainly has a chilly vibe to it I think. But you are right, it might have to do with all the dark dungeons around, so you spent a lot of time in wet and dark environments.

National Park and MooMoo Farm have a nice sunny feeling to them.

But I would have a hard time puttiny my finger on a lot of other towns. Even Cianwood doesn't have a really sunny feeling to me, even though it is pretty much a beach town. Never really got that feeling though. Tileset doesn't really seem to be made for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 21:13:43 No.50375951 Report

Quoted By: >>50375993 >>50376145

>>50375820
If I had to associate times with the towns (silly since I know the time of day does have a visual indicator), but if I had to picture a time of being there along with the weather,
>Azalea Town - overcast around 2 PM
>Goldenrod City - bright and sunny around noon
>Olivine City - sunny with big fluffy clouds over the ocean, around 5 PM (I imagine grabbing food from the diner for dinner)
>Cianwood City - a little bit later than Olivine City, enough to give the city a warm hue but still feel like daytime, but there's an isolated feeling
>Mahogany Town - breezy, late afternoon, a little cool, sunny but not super bright, with long thin clouds in the sky. Mountainside on all sides except forest to the north
>Blackthorn City - sunny but surrounded by mountain

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Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 21:22:20 No.50375993 Report

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>>50375951
True.

>New Bark Town - makes me think of early mornings when I was waiting for the schoolbus and it is chilly but it is going to be a hot summer day later. 7 or 8 AM.

>Ecruteak City - pic rel. Nice and quiet, not a lot of people out. But not a cold evening more like a cooling down from a warm summer day. Warm light and a a bit of music comming from the kimono girls house. Crickets. 8 or 9 PM.

Still missing
>Cherrygrove City
>Violet City

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Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 21:28:47 No.50376072 Report

Quoted By: >>50376153 >>50378542

>>50374928
Change nothing about it. It's perfect the way it is. It doesn't feel like a Viridian Forest retreat like pretty much every early route forest in every other region.

The better question how do we fix the Hoenn one that's so forgettable I don't even remember the name.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 21:29:46 No.50376088 Report

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>>50374928
>NOOOOOOOOO WHY DOESN'T JOHTO HAVE A LOT OF ADHD BRANCHING PATHS AND A MILLION TRAINERS FOR MENTALLY UNSTABLE KIDS LIKE UNOVA?!

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Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 21:34:33 No.50376130 Report

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>>50375706
I fucking love the atmosphere of Route 34, but I can't really describe why. It feels like the river bank behind my old childhood house which led all the way to the city centre if you followed it one way, exactly like how it leads to the main city in Johto. Lots of kids playing around, a path leading straight through it, surrounded by damp, uncut grass. As you make your way through the road you slowly start seeing signs of the city until it hits you like a truck. I just really love the feel of this route. The closest approximation of it is this image.
Arriving at Goldenrod is literally the peak of my Johto playthroughs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 21:36:21 No.50376145 Report

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>>50375951
Spot on for me, except I imagine Blackthorn City to be like those autumn mornings where the sun is starting to find its place in the sky, but it's still slightly frosty and 4-5 degrees out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 21:36:51 No.50376153 Report

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>>50376072
god gen 3 is so fucking ugly lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 May 2022 21:51:33 No.50376315 Report

Quoted By: >>50380022

>>50375729
Looks ugly like Chrono Trigger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 May 2022 01:56:11 No.50378542 Report

Quoted By: >>50381212

>>50376072
It's the tileset

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 May 2022 01:58:45 No.50378562 Report

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>>50375011
>>50374928
Better than Viridian

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 May 2022 02:19:32 No.50378745 Report

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>>50375519
Based. Troons seething.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 May 2022 02:21:23 No.50378769 Report

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>>50375615
>50375649
>50375653
>50375683
>50375692
Discord pls

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 May 2022 02:33:53 No.50378868 Report

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>>50374928
>farfetch'd quest
>heatbutt
>celebi
>spiky eared pichu
I think you're just a fucking retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 May 2022 05:20:55 No.50380022 Report

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>>50376315
faggot detected you are the only ugly thing here

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 May 2022 10:23:58 No.50381212 Report

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>>50378542
It is also how it is build. I mean 95% is literally built with 3 tiles (ok 6 if you count the trees as 4). Just nothing interesting to look at here. The most exciting thing that happens here is that you can go the "secret path" after getting cut.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 May 2022 12:37:17 No.50381643 Report

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>>50375115
>unova
>too many TMs
>a boring circle
Did you even play BW2, not only is it not a circle but the region has little interconnects, like driftveil connecting to the desert resort and castelia sewers via relic tunnel

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 May 2022 12:54:26 No.50381710 Report

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>>50375173
oh great, the Johto Discord Tranny has found the thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 May 2022 14:26:43 No.50382154 Report

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>>50375173
GUYS
THIS FOREST IS WHERE AZALEA GETS ITS WOOD FROM
THAT MEANS THE AREA IS GOOD AND MEMORABLE BECAUSE.....IT JUST IS OK?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 May 2022 14:28:59 No.50382164 Report

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>>50375573
>maybe the late game will finally be actually playable
It already is, you hyperbolic fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 May 2022 14:29:59 No.50382167 Report

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>>50374928
I. *JUMP* HAVE. *JUMP* TO. *SPINS* SHIT. *FLIPS* ON. *JUMP* JOHTOOOOOOOOOOOO *SHAKES HEAD AND DROOLS EVERYWHERE* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA *LOGS IN AND OUT PF DISCORD REPEATEDLY* IM.... IM GOING...

*INHALES*

INSAAANNNNEEEEEEÉEEEEEEEEE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 May 2022 15:09:52 No.50382392 Report

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>>50374986
This
Every game has an early game forest
Of them, Ilex is far and away the most memorable
Most of them feel like generic copied & paste from the previous generation
At least something happened here

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