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Anonymous Fri 27 May 2022 23:38:11 No.50544784 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>50546060 >>50546084 >>50546418 >>50546569 >>50546965

It's over Hitmonbros

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/prohibiting-rises-in-the-final-months-of-the-generation-during-tier-shifts.3701898/#post-9227645v

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2022 23:43:43 No.50544850 Report

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Why doesn't TPC give showdown and smogon a cease and desist order?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2022 23:47:29 No.50544895 Report

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If you have to break your own rules about tiering just to keep the metagame functioning, maybe your rules are retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 May 2022 23:56:21 No.50544994 Report

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It's no secret most of this likely only came to pass when some youtubers/ect. began to try and meme certain pokemon like Hitmontop up to higher tiers for the sake of laughs and views, and because how dare a pokemon that in the eyes of the mod circlejerk should stay PU or worse ever rise up to RU and above, instead of just fixing the obvious loopholes in the system that are easy to exploit they're just shutting down any potential tier shifts mostly after a set point forever for each gen because wew.

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 02:06:58 No.50546060 Report

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>>50544784
OMGON BAN SWAGGE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 02:09:45 No.50546084 Report

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>>50544784
>Caring about literal child groomers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 02:14:49 No.50546125 Report

Quoted By: >>50546355

This isn't about Hitmontop specifically, it's about how Smogon doesn't update old gen tiers. It's to prevent things like Electivire in Gen 4 OU. Though it won't really help either way.

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 02:42:23 No.50546355 Report

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>>50546125
though i see no issue with this, it needs to be mentioned that some of the blame lies in people still playing past gens, such as the baton pass's ban in gen 3 and shadow tag's ban in gen 5 coming WAY later after the gen's end, leaving pokemon like ninjask and gothitelle to be forever unviable in OU

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 02:50:35 No.50546418 Report

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>>50544784
I feel like this is a lot less controversial than what people are making it out to be - this isn’t even close to being on the tier of Gen 3 UU’s NFE Clause or Gen 6 Ubers’ suspect of Gengarite. I still think the change in the required percentage for a tier shift is still silly though; people malded THAT hard about Jolteon being in RU.

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 03:09:54 No.50546569 Report

Quoted By: >>50546679 >>50547681 >>50549975 >>50550596

>>50544784
these are the niggers who really unironically banned kings rock because one chad with a cloyster shit on a mod's tournament and won
they banned swagger
bunch of groomer retards making a fangame completely divorced from the original games from how much they changed of the rules at this point

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 03:23:03 No.50546679 Report

Quoted By: >>50546706 >>50546709 >>50548827 >>50550738

>>50546569
dont forget the finchinator kyurem incident
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen8ou-582952

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 03:25:58 No.50546706 Report

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>>50546679
This was the reason they banned Kyurem?

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 03:26:19 No.50546709 Report

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>>50546679
Kyurem, I..

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 03:28:58 No.50546733 Report

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>>50546706
They should ban finchinator because he's clearly too shitty a player to be allowed to play in the tier.

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 03:33:26 No.50546762 Report

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>>50546706
the set in the battle isn't even the set that pushed kyurem over the edge - it was way harder to break the subroost or subDD sets
>>50546733
finch has definitely been one of the most questionable OU tier leaders. kyurem was one thing, but the ban on king's rock because he lost to king's rock cloyster in a tournament is asinine and definitely one of the most controversial things he did

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 04:07:32 No.50546965 Report

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>>50544784
That doesn't even make sense as a solution.
All they're doing is moving the cutoff to an earlier point, but there's still a cutoff.
The best solution would be to just never have tier shifts end, just have them take place over a longer time for older/less popular generations.
This would also fix problems like Electivire and Donphan being stranded because they were booby picks, and Ninjask who just stopped being good when the rules changed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 06:00:43 No.50547653 Report

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>>50546762
So King's Rock, which has a maximum of 41% chance to flinch (not a tranny joke, those are the actual odds) is broken, but Serene Grace Air Slash, Zen Headbutt, Iron Head, etc., which have a 60% chance to flinch, are totally fine?

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 06:06:22 No.50547681 Report

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>>50546569
Reminder that Finchinator was 13 when he joined.
He's not the groomer, but the groomed. Basically the real life N, except somehow even more autistic.

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 06:18:41 No.50547753 Report

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>>50547681
>My Characteristic: Hates to lose
So much that he joined the council so he could ban everything that he loses to.

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 10:49:15 No.50548827 Report

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>>50546679
This genuinely pisses me off.
If a Pokemon can 6-0 you because you made one bad prediction, a la G-Darmanitan, then sure. I can understand thinking it was banworthy or uncompetitive.
But Finch built a shitty team where every single mon on it was either weak to Freeze Dry or Earth Power. What did he expect? And then he proceeded to play like shit and get outpredicted every turn.
It's asinine to blame the Pokemon.

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 10:51:56 No.50548840 Report

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>>50546965
They don't give a shit about having a long term solution, this is just them arbitrarily making up a rule to stop Hitmontop rising. They will just invent a new rule on the spot next gen if it happens again.

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 10:55:52 No.50548857 Report

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>>50547653
Smogon rules aren't meant to be consistent, they're meant to enforce a particular meta. Remember how they said they couldn't ban Gorilla Tactics to preserve Zen Darmanitan because "huge power is stronger in a vacuum so it doesn't make sense", but King's Rock is banned purely because it allows 41% flinch on a tiny handful of Pokemon? That's only because the tiny handful of Pokemon threaten their desired meta defense core and flinch Kiss/Rachi don't.

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 11:08:49 No.50548895 Report

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>>50548857
Then why not just ban Cloyster?

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 12:42:31 No.50549224 Report

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>>50548895
Because it’d look utterly ridiculous

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 14:38:58 No.50549852 Report

Quoted By: >>50549868 >>50549906

for a board that seems to obsess over underage children, you sure do seem quick to call them groomers

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 14:41:11 No.50549868 Report

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>>50549852
>get BTFO'd in the other thread
>shitpost here
dumb normalfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 14:46:12 No.50549906 Report

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>>50549852
>underage children
as opposed to children that are of age?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 14:56:38 No.50549975 Report

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>>50546569
finchinator more like flinchinator

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 16:30:53 No.50550553 Report

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>>50548827
three (3) grounded steel types, two of whom are quad-weak to ground and the third isnt exactly known for its special bulk.
god speed finchinator.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 16:35:36 No.50550596 Report

Quoted By: >>50550631 >>50550680

>>50546569
what, King's Rock is banned? lmaoooo
Smogon truly has no limits in bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 16:39:31 No.50550631 Report

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>>50550596
The "Council" is a bunch of circlejerkers now. Somebody will cry because they lose a tournament to bullshit, the other members will pat them on the back and get them a teenage boy to suck on. Then they'll ban whatever they blame for the humiliation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 16:44:33 No.50550680 Report

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>>50550596
50% chance to flinch on a pokemon with 600 attack and 500 speed after one boost nah fuck that shit

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2022 16:49:58 No.50550738 Report

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>>50546679
You know he's just sitting there thinking about how he's made all the right plays but still lost because kyruem is OP.

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